03:49 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ Hi

03:50 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ im Installed Principia Few Mins Ago But Idk Why My Planet Orbits Its Like This

03:50 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/869788870777126963/unknown.png

03:51 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ im Installed Principia Few Mins Ago But Idk Why My Planet Orbits Are Weird (edited)

03:51 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/869788870777126963/unknown.png

03:52 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ And All Planets And Sun Orbiting Earth

03:53 <queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ …the quintessential question, it seems.

03:53 <queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Please read the Principia wiki, specifically https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Concepts#plotting-frame

04:12 <queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ reference frames reference frames

04:12 <queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ the reason why people didn't understand the motion of the plantets for a long time

04:16 <raptop> meh, just add more epicycles

04:39 <queqiao-> ⟨S​paceman Spiff⟩ I mean…. What did you expect?

04:49 <queqiao-> ⟨H​AX.!!Artin.X1⟩ I expect my ksp physics Changes Too Real Life

05:01 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ It is though

05:01 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ You can't accurately display trajectories with n-body interactions with patched conics

08:06 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ @HAX.!!Artin.X1 the default reference frame is one that fixes the surface of Earth. If Earth's surface is fixed, then everything else has to move around it which is why you see that pattern

08:07 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Switch to sun centred inertial or earth centered inertial to get something more familiar

09:55 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Re. the note in the latest of the #announcements, not sure if we are seen as related to RO etc., but I should note that Principia does not break save compatibility since march 2017 (or when it does it's a bug which you should report).

09:59 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The quintessential question up there with « what’s with that bot »

10:06 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The quintessential question, up there with « what’s with that bot » (edited)

12:39 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ I really do need a better pc.. my game is getting so very slow when I use principia

12:40 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ and so many little things between mechjeb and principia just seem to not like each other

12:40 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ that it is frustrating me a lot

12:40 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ that it is frustrating me a lot. Maybe burnout. (edited)

12:41 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ So I'm sitting here. Wondering if it's because of the sluggish weirdness with principia + mechjeb that I'm hating

12:42 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ or if it's mechjeb's automation that's maybe ruining it a bit. Since it means I don't do anything in the game. I just turn on PVG and do all the orbits perfectly

12:42 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ or if it's mechjeb's automation that's maybe ruining it a bit. Since it means I don't do anything in the game. I just turn on PVG and do all the orbits automatically (edited)

12:42 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ or if it's mechjeb's automation that's maybe ruining it a bit. Since it means I don't do anything in the game. I just turn on PVG and do all the orbits automatically + interplanetary maneouvres (edited)

12:43 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ I think it might just be the principia lag and mechjeb not interacting 100% with principia

12:44 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ My game turns into seconds per frame when I do long time warps waiting for rockets/tech to build

12:44 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ the wiki talks about the 2 biggest warps being very laggy if I remember right

12:45 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ the principia wiki talks about the 2 biggest warps being very laggy if I remember right (edited)

12:45 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ the principia wiki talks about the 2 biggest warps being very laggy with principia if I remember right (edited)

12:45 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ I've just used the third fastest warp by hand

12:53 <queqiao-> ⟨N​obody⟩ I don't now much about Principia but how fast your computer can step time forward highly depends on your processor speed/potentially also memory speed

13:01 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ principia basically calculates the gravity of *everything* all the time

13:02 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ so it's very intense and laggy

13:02 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ principia basically calculates the gravity effects everything has on *everything* all the time (edited)

13:02 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ so it's very intense on your pc (edited)

13:07 <queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Remove all debris. Remove all asteroids. And keep the rest of your vessels in flight to an absolute minimum.

13:08 <queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Also, get rid of mechjeb. Anyone can click on a button 🙂

13:09 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ I'll try to play without mechjeb another time.

13:09 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ For now I'll try without principia

13:09 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ but the next run after I get some more memory on my pc

13:09 <queqiao-> ⟨E​lias⟩ I'll do a principia no mechjeb

14:25 <queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic (he/him)⟩ You'll likely get a bigger bang with more RAM, or a faster SSD I/O, than the diminishing returns of "more CPU", unless your CPU is very slow.

15:15 <queqiao-> ⟨N​obody⟩ It really depends what the bottleneck and optimization target is in your case. I would assume that Principia itself will benefit from more CPU speed. KSP's loading times will decrease with faster storage and less vessels in flight. I don't see what more RAM is going to do for you except if your game crashes due to memory usage or maybe for a bigger filesystem cache.

15:17 <_whitenotifier> [Principia] ThisisShoo opened issue #3077: Pricipia - Extraterrestrial Launchpads Intolerance? - https://git.io/JBcGt

18:06 <raptop> ramdrive?

18:16 <queqiao-> ⟨N​obody⟩ Are ramdisks (if you mean this with ramdrive) really faster than a regular spinning disk/flash drive + fs cache?

18:25 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes, though not much.

21:39 <raptop> In which I annoy egg by posting that that other spaceflight simulator is now open source: https://www.orbiter-forum.com/threads/orbiter-is-now-open-source.40023/

22:56 <queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ Conducting a very important survey:

22:56 <queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ https://forms.gle/NwEbkgZf8T8XvHvP6

22:57 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ clearly the answer is **kitty!!!**

22:58 <queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ Well, I got one answer here that says: dog

22:58 <queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ Sadly I made this survey anonymous.

23:00 <queqiao-> ⟨V​lood⟩ that was me and i'm not afraid to admit it

23:10 <raptop> ...Is a fox a kind of kitty?

23:10 <raptop> (cat software on dog hardware)

23:15 <queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ This is going very well.

23:16 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ My insanity is adequately explained by being a cat.

23:17 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ raptop: I am *very* excited about that. Surprised they didn't sooner.

23:18 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Hey at least they try to solve Euler's equation, not like PhysX (though they do so by numerical integration instead of using elliptic integrals) https://github.com/mschweiger/orbiter/blob/05f0bed00a91fc10286b605e8c33a6b8d5bb30ff/Src/Orbiter/Rigidbody.cpp#L234

23:19 <raptop> PhysX doesn't think that rotation is real, right?

23:19 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ nyaaa~~!!

23:19 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ :3

23:19 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ >^^<

23:19 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (looks like Euler integration though?)

23:21 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ I haven't looked at it yet (and am less knowledgeable than you would be by far on it) how is orbiters source code looking so far anyways?

23:22 <queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ Anything notably wack or impressive? I need to play orbiter some time lol