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<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Very much this. Most of mine fall into one of two categories.
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Contract sats which can be loose as you like, the contract is something like within a degree of inclination.
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Comms downlinks for LEO which just need to be roughly in the right hemisphere so precise ground holding is not important.
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Very much this. Most of mine fall into one of two categories.
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Contract sats which can be loose as you like, the contract is something like within a degree of inclination.
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Comms downlinks for LEO which just need to be roughly in the right hemisphere so precise ground position holding is not important. (edited)
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<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ thanks! we mostly use KSP to explore transfers in Principia with RSS, Kerbin, or Trappist-1 systems...(& I can also always create a custom GameData folder for something interesting...at least from KSP 1.0.5 on though I will eventually migrate as much as possible to 1.11.2 & 1.12.x). Our long term objective is orbiting & landed stations in various places in RSS & Trappist-1 so to directly an
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ that's great. I play RP-1 and JNSQ on and off with principia but I've recently started again after a long break. I'm planning on making a new RSS/SMURFF/Principia install to play with, which if I get round to doing some cool things I'll send you the saves of
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ that's great. I play RP-1 and JNSQ on and off with principia but I've recently started again after a long break. I'm planning on making a new RSS/SMURFF/Principia install to play with, which if I get round to doing some cool things I'll send you the saves of them (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ my RP-1 install is on 1.10 so I'll likely just clone that to play with
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ from memory I think the things I did last time in my principia experimentation game were:
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Sunsynchronous crepuscular orbit
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Molniya Constellation
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Moon low energy transfer (as per the principia wiki tutorial)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Moon low energy transfer (via Sun-Earth L1)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Earth-Moon L-point L1-5 satellites
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Sun-Earth L1/L2 satellites
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Maccolo square
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Planned in the principia flight plan for research but never executed:
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Genesis satellite trajectory
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Lunar NRHO
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Also attempted planetary gravity assists but wasn't very successful but I never have been good at those
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ from memory I think the things I did last time in my principia experimentation game were:
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Sunsynchronous crepuscular orbit
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Molniya Constellation
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Moon low energy transfer w/ ballistic capture (as per the principia wiki tutorial)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Moon low energy transfer w/ ballistic capture (via Sun-Earth L1)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Earth-Moon L-point L1-5 satellites
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Sun-Earth L1/L2 satellites
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Maccolo square
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Planned in the principia flight plan for research but never executed:
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Genesis satellite trajectory
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Lunar NRHO
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Also attempted planetary gravity assists but wasn't very successful but I never have been good at those (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ I just found a good example of the Moon LET via L1 https://youtu.be/QvYy4YkyaY0
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ from memory I think the things I did last time in my principia experimentation game were:
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Sunsynchronous crepuscular orbit
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Molniya Constellation
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Moon low energy transfer w/ ballistic capture (as per the principia wiki tutorial)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Moon low energy transfer w/ ballistic capture (via Sun-Earth L1) a la GRAIL
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Earth-Moon L-point L1-5 satellites
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Sun-Earth L1/L2 satellites
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Maccolo square
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Planned in the principia flight plan for research but never executed:
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Genesis satellite trajectory
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Lunar NRHO
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Also attempted planetary gravity assists but wasn't very successful but I never have been good at those (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ @GrowFlavor ICYMI we would be interested with an issue and a save regarding your crash https://discord.com/channels/319857228905447436/480397772248580098/864952917935915049
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ @GrowFlavor ICYMI we would be interested in an issue and a save regarding your crash https://discord.com/channels/319857228905447436/480397772248580098/864952917935915049 (edited)
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<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ Ok...details so far have been listed in issue 3064. @Butcher @Al2Me6 @Zeusbeer thanks for your earlier mentions of seeing similar symptoms.
<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ that will be great ! (& eventually I also want to play RP-1 myself but need to upgrade to a new machine to do that with our crippling consequences 😉
<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ that will be great ! (& eventually I also want to play RP-1 myself but need to upgrade to a new machine to do that with our crippling consequences 😉
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<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ @Butcher you may be onto something here
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ we just found that we leak old predictions as we compute new ones; they will get destroyed on scene change, but only then, so if you don’t change scenes very often…
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ this has been the case for three years though, so it is odd that this would pop up now
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<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ Is there any way to fix the launch to the plane of The Moon in mechjeb PVG for principia?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ where are you launching from?
<queqiao-_> ⟨s​iimav⟩ a) uninstall Principia
<queqiao-_> ⟨s​iimav⟩ b) wait until the Moon precession is just right
<queqiao-_> ⟨s​iimav⟩ c) launch from Kourou
<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ Well, I am launching from Cape Canaveral, though my install does not include Principia, just asking if it is possible.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ then you cannot launch into the plane of the moon except for a short while every eight years or so
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ d) yeet it over the North Pole like Korolev
<raptop> All hail the off-plane intercept
<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ Does the button that let you warp to an ideal ascent for doing TLI to the Moon with PVG not work that well at all?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ that button requires that you can launch into the plane of the moon, which requires you to be in that plane
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ this is (almost) never the case in Cape Canaveral
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ without Principia, the Moon is stuck at its highest inclination relative to the Earth’s equator to make that manœuvre artificially easy
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ but in real life that is simply not how you launch from there
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ For you to launch into an orbit, that orbit needs to cross your launch site. In RSS without principia the moon is fixed at its highest inclination (~28.6°) which is very close to KSCs latitude
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ then you cannot launch into the plane of the moon except for a short while every eighteen years or so (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ In principia, as in RL, the moon is rarely at that inclination
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<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ And egg beat me to it
<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ Ok, that's nice to know.
<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ Also, I guess installing principia for my current in progress savefile would be just a death sentence for the savefile, right?
<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ Also, I guess installing principia for my current in progress savefile would be just a death sentence for the savefile, right? Plus I should not bother with that since I still have to do Uncrewed Lunar orbit (edited)
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<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ It should be fine so long as you have no missions in route to other bodies
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<queqiao-_> ⟨F​abioKevin⟩ I'm actually not sure If I do have some missions to other bodies. How do I check without launching ksp in the middle of 01:57?
* raptop suspects that there's a way in in the persistence.sfs file, maybe checking for vessels?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ you wait a minute, and now it is 01:58
<raptop> Sleep is fake