egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ Could that be an issue?
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ hm, maybe
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ did you put principia in G:/KSP? lmao there's your problem
<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ My install is in that location, its fine
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ it goes in Gamedata
<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ The folder is named G:/KSP Principa
<queqiao-_> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Please don’t offer bad advice
<queqiao-_> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ If you read the wiki it’ll tell you that that error is expected
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ I'm seeing this, I'm confused
<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ Oh thank you
<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ @Kerbinsphere The file paths are not an issue
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ ah, ok
<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ Yep, looking at the wiki now
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ oh I totally read that file location wrong sry
<queqiao-_> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Again, normal assumptions do not apply to Principia. Those dlls _can’t possibly load_ because they’re native, not C#.
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ I thought it was KSP/Principia not KSP Principia
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ hm, so is a good solution to delete them? you said they can't load right?
<queqiao-_> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ No no no. Read the wiki. That error is _normal_ and _harmless_.
<queqiao-_> ⟨K​erbinsphere⟩ ah ok, yeah I'll read it
<queqiao-_> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Again, normal assumptions do not apply to Principia. Those dlls _can’t possibly_ be loaded by KSP because they’re native, not C#. (edited)
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<queqiao-_> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ What could be causing this, I don't have any system modifications active
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (and conversely, deleting random bits of it *will* break Principia—as is the case for most mods or indeed most software)
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<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ what are the reference frames to get to moon?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the relevant reference frames are ECI, MCI, MCEA, and MCMF to see where you will land, if you care about that
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ MCMF?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ moon-centred, moon fixed
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the reference frame that fixes the surface of the moon
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ which is generally the part of the moon you land on
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Only if you're a casual. Real pros land on the inside
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ ok thanks
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #3070 commit - https://git.io/JW96V
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy closed issue #3039: Green & Grassmann OK but Gröbner crashes with old RetroRendezvous save - https://git.io/JnpCW
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 9 commits to master [+4/-2/±19] https://git.io/JW966
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 7715790 - Properly handle pre-Cohen compatibility.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 50767ee - Add a test framework for save compatibility.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 590ee6b - Cleanup.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] ... and 6 more commits.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3070: Fix compatibility problems with a pre-Cohen save - https://git.io/JWXzb
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor edited a comment on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWDKD
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor edited a comment on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWDKD
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor edited a comment on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWDKD
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ my head is spinning.
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWHBT
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<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ just use the reference frame that fixes the surface of your head
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ But then everything else will be spinning
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Maybe that's what being drunk is
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3071: Fix a number of memory management problems - https://git.io/JWHXL
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened issue #3072: Gather interesting trajectories and use them in tests - https://git.io/JWHMc
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ What if the reference frame goes missing?
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #3071: Fix a number of memory management problems - https://git.io/JWHXL
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ That would mean 🌑 🌞 🌍
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor commented on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWH7k
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3071: Fix a number of memory management problems - https://git.io/JWHXL
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 11 commits to master [+7/-7/±26] https://git.io/JWH5t
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 60c085a - Read the save.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 2231e7b - Merge.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 83ea633 - Fix two leaks.
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor edited a comment on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWH7k
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ I love this mod. Was able to do an Eve flyby with low antenna tech (using Kerbalism to collect science) with a free return back to Kerbin since I only had 1.1 Gm range, and got to fly by an asteroid on the way back. Principia makes it so much easier than stock.
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ reference frames FTW 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ also, performance seems WAYYY better on the mac than last time I played
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ I should try to write a tutorial on how to do that...
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor commented on issue #3064: possible steady memory increase potentially leading to KSP instability/slowness/unusual texture lighting/slow crash - https://git.io/JWQ3y
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ A tutorial on how to game on a Mac would be great
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ haha, but I think you know what I was referring to
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ Yeah, a tutorial on that would be quite handy actually
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ I just started relearning principia
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ more tutorials would certainly be a good thing, to carve paths along the learning cliff
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #3073: Log the compatibility paths - https://git.io/JWQ1N
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #3073 commit - https://git.io/JW7mR
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #3073 commit - https://git.io/JW7m0
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @Sir Mortimer how goes your cat by the way
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ @egg issues with felting fur, but other than that a happy cat 🙂
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #3073 commit - https://git.io/JW7rx
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #3073: Log the compatibility paths - https://git.io/JWQ1N
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<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Cat!
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #3073: Log the compatibility paths - https://git.io/JWQ1N
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin closed pull request #3073: Log the compatibility paths - https://git.io/JWQ1N
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±31] https://git.io/JW7XJ
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin 0a06b0d - Log the compatibility paths
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin 46c301e - indent and line length
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin ecebea3 - Merge pull request #3073 from eggrobin/log-compatibility Log the compatibility paths
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<queqiao-> ⟨D​ruze32⟩ does trajectories work with principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ it works in the presence of Principia, yes
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ it works *in conjunction* with Principia? no
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ you're still getting patched conics predictions
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ ...more precisely, predictions based on osculating elements. If you're close to atmospheric entry, it's probably fine. If you're out at the Moon and planning reentry, nope.
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ The only usecase is atmospheric reentry, for landing on an airless body, Principias own prediction is the correct one
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ That was badly worded... I meant, planning Earth reentry directly after ejection from the Moon
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ In addition one should point out that there is some overlap of functionality which will make things clunky (Trajectories also does show trajectories in your choice of two reference frames, but the selection won’t be in synch with that of Principia). Principia does not take atmospheric effects into account though.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Atmospheric integrator when egg?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ this has come up now and then
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ I think we would have to provide a « give me a simplified aerodynamic model for this craft » API and FAR would have to call it
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (well, depending on the value of « simplified » maybe we could just compute it agnostically of FAR or stock)
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ Is there a principia discord, or is ok to discuss principia in the stock system here?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ this is the principia discord, it is OK to discuss Principia in the stock system or in any system
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ or cats
<raptop> What order of spherical harmonics do I need to model a cat to sufficient accuracy?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ depends on the roundness of the cat
<raptop> Taking an ISO standard ANBOcat for eggsample
<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic (he/him)⟩ Predicted trajectories are often way off.
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ How would I go about rendezvousing with the station?
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] sksat starred Principia - https://git.io/JW5JF
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​ombieZilla⟩ ok, I think I got it