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<raptop> found a bot that seems relevant to egg: https://twitter.com/ra_dec_bot/status/1413649193365688324
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ looks like the changelog has a type in it. Grossman shows:
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ > For more details see all 26 pull requests between Gröbner and Green.
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ and was hoping for some 1.12.1 support...looks like i'll need to remember how to compile it. Was hoping to try out the sweet macos improvements
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ 1.12 broke things in a nontrivial way; we want to see if they unbreak things before we start devising a workaround
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Reach
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (some people use 咕咕星 too, see the comments on bilibili videos; I think it arose as a pun on 姑姑star…)
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ ?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Principia is C++, which somehow broke in 1.12
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ They changed the DLL loader in such a way that the game crashes if it finds a DLL that is not .NET
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (it used to just report BadImageFormatException and carry on)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ If you do have any contacts to whom you could forward the Great Displeasure of the Egg (and of any modder with native dependencies) that would be appreciated
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (see the discussion at https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/162200-wip181-191-1101-and-1110%E2%80%932-principia%E2%80%94version-grossmann-released-2021-07-10%E2%80%94n-body-and-extended-body-gravitation/page/71/&tab=comments#comment-3996213 and surrounding)
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Have you posted on the bug tracker?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ No, where is that?
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 264 commits to Entwurf [+74/-16/±992] https://git.io/Jcx2r
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy afa7516 - Merge remote-tracking branch 'mockingbirdnest/master' into Entwurf
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Has anyone else reported issues with ksp dying after long flight planning? It loses textures then usually crashes.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Hm, interesting, there are discussions about textures getting garbled in the forum
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Can you reproduce that in stock?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (stock being stock+Principia in this context)
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I'm not sure, it only happens after some reasonable amount of play time and I'm not even sure it's principia.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The worst kind of bug...
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ It feels like a memory leak of some sort, but it's hard to tell without proper tools
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Seems odd that a leak would mess with textures?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ But a memory corruption bug would mess with other things, so this is all very weird
<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic⟩ I have an issue where the sun seems to flicker after spending a while, usually working with Principia. I think that Principia isn't related, just the reasons I stay in flight for a while. Updating my video card driver changed the way it crashes, but it still does. My workkaround is to return to the tracking station every ten minutes or so.
<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic⟩ I have an issue where the sunlight seems to flicker after spending a while, usually working with Principia. I think that Principia isn't related, just the reasons I stay in flight for a while. Updating my video card driver changed the way it crashes, but it still does. My workkaround is to return to the tracking station every ten minutes or so. Not sure if this is the same bug you refer to. (
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Does memory usage rise alarmingly?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ It was on ~17gb last time it crashed.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Which is higher than usual.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ I think that’s another of of several variants of texture/UI element disappearing bugs. I’ve experienced Butcher’s and another one where UI elements disappear. Haven’t seen yours though.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Anecdotally, it only seems to happen when the game uses a large amount of memory, and only since upgrading to from 1.8.1.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ I think that’s another of of several variants of texture/UI element disappearing bugs. I’ve experienced Butcher’s and another one where UI elements disappear in the VAB or space center. Haven’t seen yours though. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ I think that’s another of of several variants of texture/UI element disappearing bugs. I’ve experienced Butcher’s and another one where UI elements disappear in the VAB or space center after switching scenes. Haven’t seen yours though. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic⟩ Yeah, UI elements goes, and leaving Flight to another scence causes a hang or a major screwup on the UI. It is a bother, but really only in simulation where coming out of the flight scene is not OK.
<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic⟩ I'm assuming that Principia has nothing to do with this.
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Maybe it is a KSP bug that we exacerbate with our high memory usage
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ So, 12.1 is a thing now. Not sure what they did to doll loading.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Nothing about that in the change log
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Yeah, this is my suspicion as well. The VAB/KSC variant of the bug has been reported by a few people who don’t use Principia, I think.
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ you using scansat?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes, though with visual scans disabled.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] glasgo-seven starred Principia - https://git.io/Jcpuo
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ ok
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<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ Yeah, defninitely worth posting on the bug tracker and PMing JPLRepo and TriggerAu on the forums.
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ OK, I’ll do that sometime Sunday
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ I’m really surprised someone didn’t test this use case. Maybe I’m just weird because I find KSP unplayable without Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ No you are not weird
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Welcome to the actual RO channel)))
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ It is really *realism* without extended body gravity?
<queqiao-> ⟨T​heRealDirtyDan⟩ Hi @everyone
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<raptop> oh, hey, some sort of spambot
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Yeah, they managed to spam quite a lot of the discord channels before being handled
<raptop> I hope there was a k-line or something that didn't get through the bridge
<egg|anbo|egg> yeah message deletions don’t propagate (they don’t make sense in IRC)
<egg|anbo|egg> The brewer felt satisfied after learning about the relationship between the lengths of the hypotenuse of a right triangle and the other two sides.
<egg|anbo|egg> (oops wrong channel)
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Raptop: The offender was... Dealt with.