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<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ Hi friends! Hate to be the "ask rather than google" guy, but: is there a way to automatically execute planned maneuvers short of, like, kOS?
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ (As IIRC/AIUI Mechjeb does not.)
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ mechjeb does have a dedicated 'execute principia maneuver' button now
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ it's not great for RO however
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ mainly because it doesn't take engine-spool-up time into account, so it ends up with late, short burns
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ I mean, how is that different from non-principia execute-maneuver-node issues?
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ I guess because in the latter case it's slightly self-correcting due to how nodes work?
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ non-principia won't stop early
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ Wait, _stop_ early?
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ flight plans are based on _time_, not _dv_
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ Oh.
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ That also seems bad for ullage reasons
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ so those ~2s of low-thrust eat into the burn time
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ ullage can at least be handled manually
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ Not if you're not in comms it can't
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ I feel free to f7 that issue away if it comes up
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ F7?
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ clear input locks
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ Oh. I didn't think that was done via input locks, I thought I implemented it via ctrlstates
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ But maybe I just used locks
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ as for the ignition time issue, I've been known to zero out the times in engines I mainly use with flight plan maneuvers
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Is F7 the go-to quasi-magic fix now instead of F5-F9?
<queqiao-> ⟨N​athanKell (he/him)⟩ This seems like it would not at all be hard to add to MJ, tbh.
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ I would think not. it's easy enough to deal with manually, if only one knows how much lead time the engine needs: edit the maneuver to start a bit early and go a bit longer (and ignore the now-wrong noodles)
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ (but that gets old, hence cfg hacks)
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<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I have a kOS script which calculates the lead time, it's fairly reliable, easy enough to add similar to MJ I think.
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Why is your ü bolder than the other characters?
<queqiao-> ⟨s​iimav⟩ no?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Zürich Zürich
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ what the...
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ egg here with different unicode characters or something lol
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ wonder if egg hides zero width spaces 👀
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ wonder if egg hides zero width spaces in messages 👀 (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Copypasting his Zürich yields the same result, so it's not a different unicode symbol... I think...
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ One could write a bold Z**ü**rich, but that's hardly the same
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ egg has been blessed by the nearly bold ü
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ u+combining umlaut, and Discord having a terrible font by default
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ they *really* should render identically
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ on mobile it's even worae
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ on mobile it's even worse (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Well that's an interesting trajectory.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ plane change!
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ :noPlanes:
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes it goes from being approximately coplanar to the ecliptic to being almost 90° off.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Mmm slingshot.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ It is a very close flyby of Neptune.
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ like TESS, only bigger
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Also, is it expected that my Mercury orbiter has moved from a very eccentric orbit into a much less eccentric orbit?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I inserted with a periapsis of about 150km. It's now 6000km
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ **UNACCEPTABLE!!!**
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Well it has not helped the space low science, nor the altimetry. :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ huh, it is weird that eccentricity would change due to perturbations
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ did the inclination change as well?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I'm not sure as I don;t recall the original inclination, it does not appear to be much if so though.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I am 76.5° inclined.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ OK so it’s not the Лидов–古在 mechanism if that didn’t change
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Somewhat aligned to the Mercury - Sun axis, though that might be coincidence.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ that would be my best guess for eccentricity changes, but it is eccentricity-inclination eggschange
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I came in roughly polar and it still is roughly polar.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Well then...
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ It has only a few years before it crashes apparently. 😮
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ Ouch
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Interestingly the inclination there does not vary that much.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Not much change in SMA, I assume that is due to conservation of momentum?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ I would map that more to conservation of energy perhaps, but pretty much ; assuming that you can talk about an orbit as an orbit (not perturbed into oblivion) a is constant
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I think this probe has about another 1000 days of life before it hits Mercury.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes, seems so, in 1000 days it'll have a periapsis of about 450 km.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ ten degrees is a nontrivial change in inclination
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ I think you are witnessing the wonders of Лидов–古在
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ congratulations, I think you are the first documented case of a Principia user being mauled by Лидов and 古在
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ It's been in orbit for approximately 850 days, so that suggests a cycle in the region of 1850-1900 days.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ This does seem likely, from memory I think it inserted with an arg of peri somewhat off 90° and I'm pretty sure I didn't nail polar, so inc of 70-80° seems likely.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin commented on issue #1119: Лидов–古在 mechanism test - https://git.io/JcFPo
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ My argument of periapsis looks to have been close to 50° on insertion, based on scansat mapping data.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ we had a bug from 2016 to add a test case for that, looks like you have one :D
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ 😄
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ can you post your save to that issue actually?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ saves are a really good way to test things, they provide nice real-life situations and double as compatibility testing
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes, it's fairly big though.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ 20MB zipped.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ could be worse, I have been interchanging 150 MB Dwarf Fortress saves
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (of course DF knows how to read a save at a better pace than a snail’s)
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ GH doesn;t support .7z files. 😒
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] RCrockford commented on issue #1119: Лидов–古在 mechanism test - https://git.io/JcFXs
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Sadly I had stripped history of this craft, although... I have a quicksave that might have it. 😮
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ this really is making a good case for retaining the undisplayable history (in slow-to-recover but compact and eternal form, i.e. in uncomputed form)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (which is the main blocker remaining for that part of #2400; when we have that it is « drop the computed part down to X kiB »)
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I tend to kill off orbiter histories as they're huge, but that would be handy. I assume the uncomputed size is proportional to the number of manouevres?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ in theory yes, in practice I would expect it to be negligible anyway
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ you can only get points when you are actively looking at the vessel out-of-timewarp
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ there can’t be too much of that :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ No, true.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Most of my problem craft sit in their orbits for hundreds of days at a time without being looked at.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ It is amusing how the whole saga of #2400 is ultimately motivated by « we want to see cool noodle »
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ It is amusing how the whole saga of #2400 is ultimately motivated by « we want to see cool noodles » (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ first a Reach video where setting history to 0 was sad, then now this, where the size leads to clipping which leads to not having initial conditions for an astronomically cool mechanism
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ 🍜
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I think I have a history save.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ How can I tell how far back it goes? My noodles stop rendering after a few tens of orbits. 😦
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Should they render for full history?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ no eventually the rendering will run out of secments
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ no eventually the rendering will run out of segments (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ hence the term « undisplayable history »
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Mmm noodle ball.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the best way to tell when the history starts is to send it my way, then I can decode it and tell you :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (alternatively, you could compile the plugin tests and write a test that loads your save and inspects it :-p)
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] RCrockford commented on issue #1119: Лидов–古在 mechanism test - https://git.io/JcFMH
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I have attached it to the issue.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ thanks! I will look
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Or rather a link, sinc eGH wuldn't let me attach it. :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Or rather a link, since GH wouldn't let me attach it. :-p (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ are the limited stability of orbits around mercury mostly due to a "lumpy" field like the moon, close proximity to the sun, or something else?
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<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ oh so this is kozai?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah, so the sun
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ at the distance shown I would expect lumpiness to be irrelevant
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ yeah, my thinking too
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ which is why I suspected the sun
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ seeing 古在 confuses me because of 在 which is zai in mandarin too but 古 is gu, not ko
* UmbralRaptop wants to mostly blame the sun, but has no idea if there's a Caloris masscon
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<queqiao-> ⟨A​gustinCaniglia⟩ does the new update come today?
<queqiao-> ⟨A​gustinCaniglia⟩ I'm a big fun of this mod. I thought every new moon had an update, so I googled and today is new moon
<queqiao-> ⟨A​gustinCaniglia⟩ I'm a big fan of this mod. I thought every new moon had an update, so I googled and today is new moon (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Ah yes, as in the phonetic part of 咕 in 咕咕star :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ 🥚🌑
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The new moon is in a few hours
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ At which point is the new moon considered to begin?
<raptop> Oh, right. Mean anomaly vs true anomaly
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Isn't it an instantaneous inflection point of phase changes?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ I think Egg uses the observatory in paris as a reference
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Just like the Paris Commune and the French Revolutionary Calendar
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ But no guillotines or returning pawned tools
<raptop> easter egg proposal: can use the French Revolutionary Calendar for mission planning
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Everyone should use GMT as is intended. 🇬🇧
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Space was invented in Greenwich.
* raptop slaps Butcher around with an eagle
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Raptop 🧐
<raptop> 🦅🇺🇸🦅
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Everyone should use *Temps Terrestre*, as Principia does
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Of course its most used realization TT(TAI) (defined by *Temps Atomique International* in turn underlies UTC up to an offset given semesterly by the *Observatoire*) 🇫🇷
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Of course its most used realization TT(TAI) (defined by *Temps Atomique International*) in turn underlies UTC up to an offset given semesterly by the *Observatoire*) 🇫🇷 (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I already have a tkinter thing which shows it
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ most modern software implementation of the republican calendar use a definition which was never in force; it was proposed by a legislator but that legislator was then shortened
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (Romme)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The only definition that was ever in force was that the year starts on the day of the equinox
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (where « day » is defined at the meridian of Paris)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ this does require good ephemerides to know when leap years are, but it’s not fundamentally different from leap seconds (and you can in practice see them coming from far longer away)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the IMCCE publishes a calendar which gives the start of the year using that definition
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ > • L’an 229 du calendrier républicain (1er vendémiaire) débute le 22 septembre 2020 et se termine le 21 septembre 2021.²
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ > • L’an 230 du calendrier républicain (1er vendémiaire) débute le 22 septembre 2021 et se termine le 22 septembre 2022.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ > […]
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ > ² Le premier jour de l’année républicaine tombe le jour de l’équinoxe d’automne calculé pour le méridien de Paris (en temps moyen de Paris)
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JcNO2
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy fb1935b - Announce Grossmann.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I know; I made the tkinter one I use and am well aware of the different methods. I originally wanted to get it to work with the original method based upon observed equinoxes, but after researching for a while decided that it would be much easier to use the Romme method because that was what was planned to be used anyway
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ The calendar is much less interesting than decimal time 😛 decimal time with units defined by light decimal seconds and grouped into myriad units instead of kilo units is quite fun.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I know; I made the tkinter one I use and am well aware of the different methods. I originally wanted to get it to work with the original method based upon observed equinoxes, but after researching for a while decided that it would be much easier to use the Romme method because that was what was planned to be used after a certain year anyway (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ If I only had to get the precise TT from web and had to do more minimal calculations then I would have used the equinox-based way
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Time to update the channel description?
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JcNsI
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 175de7e - Update README.md
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ 🇺🇸 gets the first download
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ 🇺🇸 gets the first download. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I know; I made the tkinter one I use and am well aware of the different methods. I originally wanted to get it to work with the original method based upon observed equinoxes
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ The 128-year von Mädler proposal is a good compromise I think (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Why do you say that?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ The Azure vm in 🇨🇭 got it first I thought
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ no the Azure VM is not in 🇨🇭; the machine that makes the Windows build is, and the *nix builds are from Azure; but the actual zip is assembled by hand and then that is the thing that you download
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Oh
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceman Spiff⟩ That’s gross man
<raptop> artisnal zip files assembled by hand by our craftsmen in zurich
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Are they upcycled?
<raptop> I guess the city has enough hills, but not really that many cyclists
<raptop> The trams are cool, though
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ what's different between BST and GMT?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ i can never remember
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ 1 hour
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ BST has the daylight savings, right?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ GMT doesn't
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Stands for British Summer Time
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ -cries in Irish-
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ that's silly, britain doesn't get a summer
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Well maybe of you had invented time. 😜
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ @lpg nonsense, summer is warm rain, winter is cool rain.
<raptop> Summers in Britain are in fact hot and dry
<raptop> (...or least that time I was there in July 2018 was)
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ They vary, we had several weeks without rain then last week it rained every day.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Also varies by area, further west tends to mean wetter
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ Wait, you get warm rain?
<raptop> warm rain: good for jogging in I guess
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ we just get, go to hell rain.
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ cold
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Well it rains and the air temp is warm. The rain is often not that warm. But warmer than winter.
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ and harsh
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ isn't warm rain just sweat?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ what if it rained sweat?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Running in the rain is not that bad.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Then everywhere would smell like New Orleans
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ never been there so I'll take your word for it
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ *waves from Normandy*
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Oh, we got that here too
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Last year was the second rainiest year on record then we had a dry spell where for the entire week humidity was in the 40s, and no significant rain for about 20 days
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I don't think it's been really hot yet this year.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Same
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ No >100F days yet
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ No >100F days yet; it got to 36C a couple times in one week though (edited)
<raptop> Good news: It's down to 75 F out. Bad news: 90% humidity
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ 24C today, though the humidity makes it feel quite blah.
* raptop is using F because that's what I'm reading off of a weather station instrument
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ That sounds rather nice actually
<raptop> How do you feel about living in a city that may well be #1 for number of nuclear weapons pointed at it?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ A cool day
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Wait... it's dusk for you
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ 100 Farad days, 36 Coulomb days
* queqiao- ⟨e​gg⟩ gives Paculino a °
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes, it's about 80% humidity aún.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Yes, it's about 80% humidity atm. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ was out kayaking
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ 80 % isn't too unusual
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<queqiao-> ⟨A​gustinCaniglia⟩ Oh I was expecting 1.12 support for today's update. 😦
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I thought it was going to wait for the patch
<raptop> egg: could be worse. Imagine 560 Röntgen days
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<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ Who's gu gu star
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ also shouldn't it be 咕咕星? I guess they chose not to
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ and yes it is a sound radical of 咕
<queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ The RO update forces me to start a new save anyways, so when the baby allows I'll be back with the noodle gang.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ The RO update forces me to start a new save anyways, so when the baby allows I'll be back with the noodle gang.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ ...was it just "persistent rotation", I should throw overboard? (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ if you're referring to the persistent rotation mod principia already models conservation of angular momentum during time warp and they conflict
<queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ Then I remembered correctly. Thanks.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​enji⟩ It's been a while (years) for me doing things the principia way.
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