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<Althego>
and as i predicted before the test scott indeed did a video on it
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<Alanonzander>
ahh yes
<packbart>
yeah but Scott doesn't know what happened, either
<Althego>
ultimately doesnt matter. sls is 30 years too late, despite using shuttle hardware way overpriced, non reusable, and is never going to be redy for any action
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<shub_niggurath>
You never know
<shub_niggurath>
Old tech isn't always bad
<Althego>
the rs-25 is a nice engine
<shub_niggurath>
Its nice to see nasa forging its own path independent of that musk thing
<Alanonzander>
sdomethic went wron in engine #4, that's about as much as I can find out too
<Alanonzander>
*something went wrong
<shub_niggurath>
Althego, the fact of the matter remains
<shub_niggurath>
That any manned mission to mars in the near future will be a suicide mission
<shub_niggurath>
There is no point in trying for mars
<shub_niggurath>
When our own orbit and our own moon have yet to be utilized
<packbart>
There's not much point in going to the Moon, either
<shub_niggurath>
There is, its not a suicide mission for one
<shub_niggurath>
People who value their lives can visit there and come back
<shub_niggurath>
And we won't have to train a new set everyone to send to die
<shub_niggurath>
*everytime
<Althego>
moon is close. you can come back in a matter of days
<shub_niggurath>
Exactly
<shub_niggurath>
And with present tech there is no way to return from mars thus a suicide mission
<Althego>
but if you think of it, isolated small settlements do exist already. like research stations in antarctica
<shub_niggurath>
Precisely my point
<shub_niggurath>
Moon is much better
<Althego>
in a sense they have to have life support, food stored, and self sufficient in case of a medical emergency
<Althego>
and you cant leave for half a year or os
<Althego>
so
<shub_niggurath>
Althego, look up at the sky
<Althego>
so just to have experience with that, we dont need the moon
<shub_niggurath>
You can see the moon
<shub_niggurath>
Can you spot mars as easily?
<Althego>
you can see mars too
<Althego>
yes, look for a red star
<shub_niggurath>
You can but its tougher and you need a binocular to see inside it
<shub_niggurath>
at least a binocular
<shub_niggurath>
I can see the details of moon with just my naked eyes
<shub_niggurath>
Althego, and if I am not wrong man has already set foot on the moon and returned at least once
<Althego>
more than once
<shub_niggurath>
Yeah I have heard we have already stepped on the moon
<shub_niggurath>
So we have past experience to help us make a moon base
<shub_niggurath>
Althego, the vast dark emptiness of space is terrifying
<Althego>
it is peaceful
<Althego>
at least until we go there
<shub_niggurath>
Even our local star is far from peaceful
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<shub_niggurath>
But yes
<shub_niggurath>
The gulf between bodies, even more so between galaxies is...exceptionally quiet and dark
<shub_niggurath>
Althego, does it terrify you to think of the vastness between galaxies?
<Althego>
no
<Althego>
i cant imagine them
<Althego>
if you wait long enough some galaxies come to you :)
<shub_niggurath>
Like even our closest intragalactic neighbour is way beyond our technological abilities to reach
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<shub_niggurath>
Poor andromeda and milky way
<shub_niggurath>
Though tbh
<shub_niggurath>
Its cold and empty out there
<shub_niggurath>
So I can't blame for them two to want to huddle up together
<shub_niggurath>
Hey Milky Way, please don't fling us out when you meet your buddy Andro
<Althego>
4.5 billion years
<shub_niggurath>
Althego, the horrors of the cosmos
<Althego>
twinkle twinkle little star (dead space)
<Althego>
so at that point the sun is probably a white dwarf
<shub_niggurath>
Spiral galaxies look so pretty
<Althego>
btw life has only a few hundred million years remaining on this planet
<shub_niggurath>
Do you have instruments powerful enough to see m33's details?
<Althego>
the sun gets hotter all the time slowly, at some point photosynthesis is going to stop. for a while chemosynthesizing bacteria will survive under ground, but then it gets too hot, water evaporated, and that is it
<shub_niggurath>
I wonder if there's any pretty spiral galaxy that is oriented at an angle that we can see its "disc" head on
<Althego>
probably at least thousands
* raptop
gestures at M51 and M101
<Althego>
i cant get more than the galilean moons. but i wouldnt be able to see anything because of the city lights anyway
<shub_niggurath>
raptop, yeah thanks bro
<shub_niggurath>
M51 would be a good example where the disc is oriented normal to us
<shub_niggurath>
or rather facing us
<shub_niggurath>
Oh right m101 is the pinwheel of course
<shub_niggurath>
I thought m33 was pinwheel
<shub_niggurath>
That one too is a good example yeah where the disc is facing us directly
<raptop>
M33 isn't quite face on, but a lot of the disk is visible
<shub_niggurath>
I meant pinwheel, which I had confused with m33
<shub_niggurath>
m33 obviously seems more angled than these other two
<shub_niggurath>
raptop, man both m51 and 101 are so goddamn pretty
<raptop>
something something isaldn universes
<Althego>
is that like isdn? :)
<raptop>
yeah, the bandwidth isn't that great so far out