raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Galileo. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, 1.7.x, 1.8.1, and 1.9.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
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<discord-> m​oar ssto. — The rotation system seems to still have problems dealing with parts with offset com.
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<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — How close are you in fixing the load times further in a save? I'm planning to go quite far into rp1
<discord-> A​nomaly. — Usually the answer to that is, "we'll deal with it when you get there", because 95% of people aren't gonna make it past moon boots anyway.
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<discord-> S​kylar. — I plan on making my save far post lunar
<discord-> A​nomaly. — Lmao yeah everyone "plans" on doing that too.
<discord-> A​nomaly. — I've made some 15 different mission architectures for Mars boots in my head already.
<discord-> A​nomaly. — Approximately 0 of which will come into fruition.
<discord-> e​gg. — @moar ssto « seems to have problems » is about as unspecific as you can get. What are you observing, what are you expecting ?
<discord-> B​utcher. — I really need to get a journal repro of the random fatal that keeps killing me when stuff explodes.
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah I have encountered something like that with some planes, I should journal it
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<discord-> B​utcher. — Which plane is best for getting the lunar L2? EMB?
<discord-> B​utcher. — Which frame is best for getting the lunar L2? EMB? (edited)
<discord-> e​gg. — probably moon-centred earth orbit
<discord-> e​gg. — (mcea, the one I keep meaning to rename)
<discord-> B​utcher. — Yeah that seems more useful.
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2678: Multifrequency Кудрявцев projection - https://git.io/JJbId
<discord-> B​utcher. — Planned manoeuvres keep me there for about 50 days, that will suffice initially.
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<discord-> S​tonesmile. — reaction wheels are super usefull when trying to maintain a EM-L2 orbit
<discord-> D​amien. — ^
<discord-> D​amien. — brb let me just change my orientation with RCS and-I'm crashing into the moon rip
<discord-> B​utcher. — I have no reaction wheels.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Also my orbit around L2 is looking a bit loose, which might pose problems for how tight the cone on my antenna is...
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — What antenna are you using?
<discord-> B​utcher. — RA-15
<discord-> B​utcher. — Probably should have gone for a smaller dish and sacrificed data rate.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Useful stats from KER:
<discord-> B​utcher. — 13.9k TWR!
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<discord-> S​tonesmile. — An easy solution to a small cone is to add another antenna, one pointed at earth, and one at the moon
<discord-> B​utcher. — L2 is weird...
<discord-> B​utcher. — Also, behold the tight beam of my antenna.
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — That sat would benefit from a second antenna pinted at the moon if it is planned to provide relay services
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — That sat would benefit from a second antenna pointed at the moon if it is planned to provide relay services (edited)
<discord-> B​utcher. — Yes it would, buit it's a bit late now. 😦
<discord-> D​amien. — L2 manned rendezvous with KAS
<discord-> D​amien. — go put one on
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — I think Falcon tried somerhing like that, but a NRHO
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — I think Falcon tried something like that, but a NRHO (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — I planned out a NRHO but didn't do anything with it
<discord-> D​amien. — just wanted to see how it worked
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<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — he guys, i am currently trying to script a simple manouver-executer in kOS for Principia, but kOS says, "Principia isnt installed" ?!?! Anyone know of a workaround? Or does anyone have a simple script at hand, that i could customize for the use with Principia?
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — @CrimsonGhost138 Are you trying to use an API from kOS to principia?
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — AFAIK that API was never implemented
<discord-> B​utcher. — You can just use the stock node functionality in kOS to execute principia nodes.
<discord-> B​utcher. — That's what I do.
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — > AFAIK that API was never implemented
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — @Stonesmile Oh my, so that means, this was never actually integrated?? LOL 😄 https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/addons/Principia.html
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — @Butcher How do you manage the missing dV information? Principia doesnt work with the stock-dV nodes, its not counting down. Do you use the burn times then?
<discord-> B​utcher. — You have the dV information from the node.
<discord-> B​utcher. — `NextNode:DeltaV` gives you delta V.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Oh wait you mean, how do I know when to stop?
<discord-> B​utcher. — I: work out how much fuel needs to be burned for the correct amount of deltaV and burn until that much fuel is consumed.
<discord-> B​utcher. — Seemed like the best method, it accounts for variable thrust.
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — Yes 🙂 Wow yes thats elegant! i thought about just counting down the burn times Principia provides me in the Flight Planner, but thats pretty rough i guess ^^ Do you have your script at hand, so i can take a glance how you do the calc´s ?
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — if you dont mind
<discord-> B​utcher. — Those are the main node executer scripts.
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — big thx, thats great!! finally i found the right group of nerds 🙂
<discord-> B​utcher. — Oops, those have broken calcs, just updated them.
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<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — thx. but, to be clear: kOS never implemented the above mentioned bridge to Principia? Like in the link i posted before?
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 80efb4f - Announce Galois.
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — Correct, thap API doesn't exist, it was a design doc
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 7986827 - Try with a calculator object.
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 981485b - I'm having a hard time.
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 61577d9 - Use vectors.
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<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — thx for the clarification! i was wondering a long time, why my script didnt work out as expected 😄
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2679 commit - https://git.io/JJNCG
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2679: An attempt at addressing ill-conditioned basis elements. - https://git.io/JJNZo
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — is egg a software engineer? SpaceX is looking for new ones 🙂
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<discord-> s​cimas. — @CrimsonGhost138 You're looking at the dev version of documentation. The stuff appearing on github.io/KOS/* may or may not actually be in the kOS release. You want to browse the https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS_DOC/ website (notice the _DOC), that's the actual documentation of kOS. Most of the time both websites are identical, but sometimes they aren't as you found out (the Principia addon isn't menti
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<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — @egg ???
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<discord-> S​tonesmile. — @Zeusbeer notice the reaction under 🥚's messege
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — I still don't understand this cryptic, above-human message
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — The next release of Principia will be named Galois, and is released on new moon
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — 🙂
<discord-> Z​eusbeer. — so what will it be changing?
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<discord-> s​cimas. — Read the change log
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — > The next release of Principia will be named Galois, and is released on new moon
<discord-> S​tonesmile. — Correction; *WAS* released
<discord-> D​amien. — ```
<discord-> D​amien. —
<discord-> D​amien. — It is now possible to remove manœuvres other than the last in the flight plan.
<discord-> D​amien. —
<discord-> D​amien. — It is now possible to insert manœuvres at any place in the flight plan.
<discord-> D​amien. —
<discord-> D​amien. — Manœuvres may now be collapsed/expanded (hidden/shown) in the flight plan. This makes it easier to edit long flight plans.
<discord-> D​amien. — ```
<discord-> D​amien. — 🤩
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<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 8d1d596 - Drop the basis in the ill-conditioned (but real) case.
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 34e915f - Stray / and tolerances.
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy e93288e - Merge branch 'master' into IllConditioned
<_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 62b9d20 - Merge pull request #2679 from pleroy/IllConditioned An attempt at addressing ill-conditioned basis elements.
<discord-> K​obymaru. — Silly question, but is there any way to check how long Principia needs for serialization and how much memory it uses?
<discord-> C​rimsonGhost138. — @scimas thx for clarification!
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