00:32 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Well, I've managed to make the maneuver use all the Delta V I have, but it's not correct

00:32 <discord-_> R​ingo. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/741816141000998992/unknown.png

00:56 <discord-_> i​tsRyan. — It's standard in Principia and in real life to have to do a small correction burn with OMS or RCS after main engine shutdown. Usually just takes a little H/N on RCS along the same heading to fix it if your burn was executed correctly. Longer, lower TWR burns are easier to get close the first time, which is why Crew Dragon uses a separate de-orbit thruster instead of the super Dracos.

00:59 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Oh ok thanks

01:01 <discord-_> R​ingo. — I will do that tomorrow, have to sleep lol

07:02 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2667: Output operators for Polynomial and PoissonSeries - https://git.io/JJ1XD

07:07 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 

07:07 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4438/

07:31 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Failure. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4438/

07:54 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2668: Normalize the dot poduct of Poisson series - https://git.io/JJ1M2

07:55 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 

07:55 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4439/

07:56 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy synchronize pull request #2667: Output operators for Polynomial and PoissonSeries - https://git.io/JJ1XD

07:57 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 

08:09 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2667: Output operators for Polynomial and PoissonSeries - https://git.io/JJ1XD

08:11 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2668: Normalize the dot poduct of Poisson series - https://git.io/JJ1M2

08:16 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4439/

08:16 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4440/

08:35 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy edited pull request #2668: Normalize the dot product of Poisson series - https://git.io/JJ1M2

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2668: Normalize the dot product of Poisson series - https://git.io/JJ1M2

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±12] https://git.io/JJ1ye

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy f91b859 - Normalized dot poduct.

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 8d2a0d4 - Merge pull request #2668 from pleroy/DotProduct Normalize the dot product of Poisson series

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. queued - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=937

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. queued - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=938

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. in progress - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=937

08:36 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. in progress - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=938

08:38 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4440/

08:48 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2667: Output operators for Polynomial and PoissonSeries - https://git.io/JJ1XD

08:48 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy pushed 7 commits to master [+0/-0/±22] https://git.io/JJ1yu

08:48 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 26fd8ab - Tracing for polynomials. # Conflicts: # numerics/frequency_analysis_test.cpp

08:48 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 7970786 - Nicer formatting.

08:48 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy 72a4740 - Poisson series output.

08:48 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] ... and 4 more commits.

09:27 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. #937 succeeded - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=937

09:27 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. queued - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=939

09:28 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. in progress - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=939

09:39 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. #938 succeeded - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=938

09:39 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. queued - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=940

09:39 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. in progress - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=940

10:30 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. #939 succeeded - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=939

10:42 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. #940 succeeded - https://dev.azure.com/mockingbirdnest/445d7b9d-0318-42e3-857f-b69d40b1ed1b/_build/results?buildId=940

11:47 <discord-_> R​ingo. — So even with RCS correction, it's still not correct

11:47 <discord-_> R​ingo. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/741986003392135178/unknown.png

12:14 <discord-_> Z​eusbeer. — Mhm, did you burn exactly as the principia countdown turned 0 seconds?

12:27 <discord-_> R​ingo. — No, I started the burn as the navball indicator was saying

12:28 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — @Ringo The navball indicator isn't to be trusted, Principia has it's own timings in the flight planner

12:29 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Alright

12:29 <discord-_> R​ingo. — It could be because of that?

12:30 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — Mostly that, another thing to watch out for is engine start up time, when you start your engine it can be that it won't give full thrust at first, so you have to start a little early

12:31 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Yeah

12:31 <discord-_> P​rofiremu23. — I try to calculate my burn by half my total burntime

12:32 <discord-_> R​ingo. — And also, the burn time of the Agena stage is 4min, and I have 4min30s of burntime, could it be because of that too?

12:32 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — Once again, the numbers next to the navball are useless, use the ones provided by principia

12:33 <discord-_> P​rofiremu23. — I really confused

12:33 <discord-_> R​ingo. — > Once again, the numbers next to the navball are useless, use the ones provided by principia

12:33 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Okay thanks

12:33 <discord-_> R​ingo. — But can the throttle decrease past 4min of burn?

12:33 <discord-_> R​ingo. — With TestFlight

12:34 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — If you overburn your engine it can fail, yeah. That is what TestFlight is all about

12:35 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Yeah

12:35 <discord-_> R​ingo. — But 30 seconds more can be fatal for it?

12:36 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — It's somewhat random, so yeah it *can* be fatal

12:36 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Ok thanks

17:04 <discord-_> R​ingo. — How much Delta V I need for a TMI on average?

17:10 <discord-_> B​utcher. — @egg Another fun fatal, reproduced twice now:

17:10 <discord-_> B​utcher. — `F0809 18:09:53.740532 6548 not_null_body.hpp:33] Check failed: other != nullptr `

17:11 <discord-_> B​utcher. — Pile up again. Are there extra checks because I'm running my own build?

17:13 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — @Ringo The numbers from 'normal' RSS are good enough to use with principia, https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/RSS-%E2%88%86v-Maps

17:13 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Ok thanks, I was afraid they were not

17:13 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — You want to pack some extra dv, but the difference shouldn't be too bad in most cases

17:15 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2669: A first implementation of Кудрявцев projection - https://git.io/JJMLx

17:17 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 

17:17 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4441/

17:25 <discord-_> R​ingo. — Okay

17:38 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Failure. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4441/

17:40 <discord-_> Z​eusbeer. — Actually, because of n-body, will it take less deltaV to go to the moon if the sun is on the other side on your transfer? (new moon) or is it an incredibly small difference

17:42 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — If you do a normal hohmann transfer, then the sun isn't changing much. A ballistic capture tho...

17:43 <discord-_> Z​eusbeer. — Yeah but say you calculated without the sun, would you miss it by a lot?

17:46 <discord-_> S​tonesmile. — That is above my knowledge 😅

18:05 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy synchronize pull request #2669: A first implementation of Кудрявцев projection - https://git.io/JJMLx

18:07 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 

18:07 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4442/

18:12 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2669 commit - https://git.io/JJMmW

18:20 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2669 commit - https://git.io/JJMmP

18:21 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2669 commit - https://git.io/JJMmP

18:29 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4442/

18:33 <discord-_> D​amien. — @Zeusbeer if you can imagine it, there's probably an astrodynamics paper discussing it somewhere

18:34 <discord-_> D​RVeyl. — Pretty sure the sun is going to accelerate the moon just as much as it will your vessel. So it doesn't affect your transfer.

18:35 <discord-_> i​tsRyan. — No, when orbiting the earth, you are *already* orbiting the sun, so you won't see gravitational effects in the earth reference frame. Just like you never see effects from the solar system orbiting the galaxy.

20:56 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] pleroy synchronize pull request #2669: A first implementation of Кудрявцев projection - https://git.io/JJMLx

20:57 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 

20:57 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4443/

21:18 <_whitenotifier-9244> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4443/

21:29 <discord-_> s​ichelgaita. — @Butcher Could you create an issue and attach the logs? (Bonus points for a journal.) On the face of it it tells you that a pointer is null, but then I have never seen this particular check fire. And no, your build doesn't have extra checks.

21:53 <discord-_> B​utcher. — I'll try to get a journal of it.