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<lordcirth>
So, I EVA'd from a craft, no probe core. It starts spinning up. I switched to it, and it shows that the controls are maxed out in one direction. I restarted KSP but it's still stuck. I can't return to the craft while it's spinning so fast.
<lordcirth>
Oh well, I have a decent quicksave
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<Eddi|zuHause>
you must have hit something with your knee on your way out
<UmbralRaptor>
5x timewarp?
<OmniscientQ>
If the controls are somehow locked into a spin, then it'd just start spinning again as soon as the timewarp was over.
<nate>
Always have RCS/SAS/Core w/ a shuttle that takes people lol. KSP physics have always been goofy when it comes to getting out of a cockpit/container
<OmniscientQ>
In other news, did anyone ever get KSP to work with a joystick/gamepad on linux?
<jgkamat>
I've definitely gotten it to work in the past with my controller, I haven't tried it recently though
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<Scolar_Visari>
Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Waffles will now be served as part of our in-flight hospitality initiative.
<Eddi|zuHause>
last time i tried to use a gamepad (not with this game), steam had some issues where you had to turn off the steam controller stuff for the native controller signals to get through
<Eddi|zuHause>
but they said somewher
<Eddi|zuHause>
e that they fixed that
<Eddi|zuHause>
that was like a year ago
<Scolar_Visari>
I found something rather troubling on the Children of the Dead Earth developer diary . . .
<Scolar_Visari>
This passage: "It was at this point when it finally clicked for me why aerospace engineer Robert Zubrin, inventor of the Nuclear Salt Water Rocket, has long since called ion thrusters (in particular, VASIMR) a hoax."
<Scolar_Visari>
I . . . Zubrin's never called ion drives as a whole a hoax.
<Scolar_Visari>
To quote Zubrin himself: "[VASIMR] is neither revolutionary nor particularly promising. Rather, it is just another addition to the family of electric thrusters, which convert electric power to jet thrust, but are markedly inferior to the ones we already have."
* Scolar_Visari
also recognizes the irony here given Zubrin later championed a low thrust magsail-esque craft, the Dipole Drive.
<UmbralRaptor>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
* UmbralRaptor
should finish playing through CoaDE at some point
<UmbralRaptor>
Also, Yay, waffles
<Scolar_Visari>
I like the game, for the most part, but the developer's really had it out for electric propulsion.
<Scolar_Visari>
Also from their article: "Extremely high thrust propulsion looks to be the way to go, unless the radiator limitations can be solved somehow. Discounting far future drives like antimatter engines, this cleanly kills off a huge portion of potential drives for bulk space travel: ion thrusters, most sails and tethers, electric thrusters, photon thruste
<Scolar_Visari>
rs, fission fragment thrusters. All you are left with besides chemical propulsion is nuclear, nuclear, nuclear. Maybe I should’ve listened to Robert Zubrin from the start."
<Scolar_Visari>
Er, again, Zubrin wasn't wholly electric drive (not that he's really much of a resource on the topic at the moment), and there's been scholarly work done on low thrust, high delta-v propulsion that sort of involves significant loads.
* Scolar_Visari
stabs NASA's nuclear and Solar Mars Transfer vehicles circa DRA 5 Addendum 2.
<Scolar_Visari>
I think Zubrin's real beef with VASIMR was not that it couldn't work in theory, but that it was well beyond expectations in the present and required multi-megaWatts worth of power for the advertised, high energy missions.
* UmbralRaptor
just stabs VASIMR, meanwhile HiPEP beat out everything its high Isp mode could and demonstrated thousands of hours a decade and a half ago
<UmbralRaptor>
Has VASIMR broken 10 s of continuous operation yet?
<Scolar_Visari>
I think it's kind of vaporware at the moment.
<Scolar_Visari>
My other problem with Children of a Dead Earth, of course, being the lack of interceptor missiles and solid fuels for said missiles.
<UmbralRaptor>
(Unkind comparisons to a токама́к would be warranted from my limited understanding of test articles)
<Scolar_Visari>
I can get why they left out certain technologies, but their developer diary on ship defenses made me think their understanding falsely assumed CIWS as all there was to it. OR that missile CIWS isn't a thing ala RAMS.
* Scolar_Visari
laughs in air-to-air missiles from aircraft shooting down anti-shipping missiles.
<Scolar_Visari>
Given that there's no, um, horizon in space for missiles to hide behind as they make their approach, it'd be a bit easier.
<UmbralRaptor>
hm
<UmbralRaptor>
It always felt weird firing an autocannon over 10s of km
<Scolar_Visari>
There are naval cannons that can do that, albeit at 75mm calibers and up.
<Scolar_Visari>
They also have AA ammunition.
* Scolar_Visari
also laughs in World War II dual-purpose mounts.
<Scolar_Visari>
Heck, I think most cannons still have AA capabilities to supplement CIWS.
<UmbralRaptor>
Ah, yes. *stares at the County class and Yamato class with disdain*
<Scolar_Visari>
They just aren't directed by their own radar.
<Scolar_Visari>
Or robots.
<UmbralRaptor>
(Okay, as best I'm aware the US dual purpose guns were fine)
<Scolar_Visari>
It helped they had proximity fuses, radar and very good computers.
<Scolar_Visari>
I sort of wish the, "flak" guns in Stellaris were like that: Decent against both missile weapons and corvettes.
<Scolar_Visari>
Which would make sense given they used to occupy medium mounts exclusively in the first generation.
<Scolar_Visari>
That just means it's easier on frame rate!
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<UmbralRaptor>
More fps! (frames or feet? Yes.)
<Scolar_Visari>
Also: The lack of RCS blocks in CoaDE is kind of weird, too.
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<Scolar_Visari>
And docking points. Docking with nuclear powered warships would be problematic the way the game has them designed, and they'd have to do that.
<UmbralRaptor>
Docking with tankers is automagic, right?
<Scolar_Visari>
Yes, but you'd have to be careful given the nuclear reactors aren't shielded all the way around.
<Scolar_Visari>
And there's no RCS, either . . .
<UmbralRaptor>
space magic!
<Scolar_Visari>
Or people EVA and hook the other ship up with lassos.
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<UmbralRaptor>
The real reason for space cowboys
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<Scolar_Visari>
Given Tommy Lee Jones has a new space movie debuting, he may still be available for more space cowboying.
<UmbralRaptor>
hm
<Scolar_Visari>
"Listen up, men, we need to lasso us up a runaway 'Belt miner before it runs into Ceres."
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<Scolar_Visari>
Movie ends with Tommy Lee Jones lassoing the miner just in the nick of time, with footage of it clearing the not-a-planet by centimeters.
* UmbralRaptor
likes the possibility of Ceres being an escaped icy moon
<Scolar_Visari>
That seems like an awfully low outcome.
<Scolar_Visari>
Odds are in favor of in situ formation in the region or a Kuiper Belt migrant.
<Tiron>
aaaand my thing for V-Tails may be saving my butt again.
<Tiron>
blew up my elevators climbing out of the water... activated pitch on the V and managed to take off anyway.
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<Scolar_Visari>
Wait . . . . Is this a spaceplane submarine?
<kmath>
YouTube - Plasma Play Button for 1M Subscribers
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<Mat2ch>
There is really a hobby archeologist who went to Mauritania to visit the Richat Structure from the ground to see if it matches Platos description of Atlantis
<Mat2ch>
also it would be boring to find Atlantis, because all the myth about it would be wrong
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<Althego>
but we would learn something new
<Althego>
that is never boring
<Althego>
also what is richat structure
<Mat2ch>
The problem here is Mauritania, which is very conservative and it would be hard to start a big excavation
<Mat2ch>
!wikipedia Richart Structure
<Mat2ch>
;P
<Mat2ch>
It's a huge "crater" in the desert, unlikely formed completely by nature.
<Althego>
interesting. they dont know what it is. the stones in it are 100 million years old. and lot of artifacts aroudn it
<sandbox>
did you know that there's a mosaic in Pompeii with a pineapple in it?
<Althego>
"look at how flat and level these rings are"
<Althego>
reminds me of flat earthers
<Althego>
also looks exactly like mars
<Mat2ch>
sandbox: probably an umbrella pine cone, not a pineapple.
<Mat2ch>
which would make far more sense
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<Eddi|zuHause>
one of my favourite lines from a teacher i remember was something like: "they searched for atlantis in 30 completely different places, and they found something in every single one of them"
<Althego>
hehe
<Eddi|zuHause>
maybe in 3000 years time they'll search for the mysterious lands of westeros, or mordor
<Althego>
hehe
<Eddi|zuHause>
i mean, homer wrote down stories of what happened like 400 years before his time
<UmbralRaptor>
Atlantis is in KSC, and seems a bit difficult to lose /s
<Eddi|zuHause>
it'll be about as accurate as these
<Althego>
what is the difference between blackberries and blueberries
<Althego>
erg
<Althego>
dewberries
<Althego>
now blue
<Althego>
english people, they call everything berry
<Althego>
i am looking at the wikipedia articles and dewberries and blackberries look like the same to me
<Eddi|zuHause>
chestnuts are actually berries, strawberries are actually nuts
<Althego>
not to mention they are both rubus plants
<Eddi|zuHause>
and peanuts are more closely related to peas than nuts
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<Mat2ch>
Eddi|zuHause: but why should Plato lie?
<sandbox>
there's also brambles, and blackcurrants
<Althego>
blackcurrant is not rubus
<Althego>
i havent heard of brambles yet
<Althego>
ah that is a common name of some (usually) rubus plants
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<senray>
Anyone the difference between torque and power in procedural fairings?
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<Eddi|zuHause>
Mat2ch: but is it a lie if he believed it himself?
<Mat2ch>
Eddi|zuHause: I'm pretty sure he did record it, because he was sufficiently sure enough that it really existed.
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<Eddi|zuHause>
Mat2ch: in modern science, what's the average lifetime of facts from "i am sufficiently sure enough" to "we know this is completely wrong now"?
<Mat2ch>
trick question! :P
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