Deddly changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.10.1 KSP2 NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | "chanlog" to see what people are talking about | Yet another Starlink launch: Wed 21 Oct 16:36 GMT/UTC | Starship SN8 engine testing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22FWQLMASV4
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<Althego>
here we go again. road closed
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<Althego>
siren
<Althego>
same thing as yesterday
<Althego>
at least it looked like that to me
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<Althego>
siren again
<Althego>
done
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<Althego>
looked like a perfectly fine static fire
<Deddly>
Aaw I missed it
<Deddly>
Glad it worked
<Deddly>
.nextlunch
<LunchBot>
Lasagna
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<Mat2ch>
Althego: oh noes, I missed it
<Althego>
luckily the internet keeps archives
<Althego>
it is only interesting in live if it fails
<Althego>
like it did several times previously with the explosions
<Mat2ch>
no, this is also exciting, because it means we will see a flight soon :)
<Althego>
soon in elon time
<Althego>
i guess next week soonest
<Althego>
they have to mount the nose cone
<Althego>
probably do tests with the assembled ship
<Althego>
and only then
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<Deddly>
I can't see them getting the sky-dive manoeuvre right first time
<Althego>
that is why there is an sn9 and 10 in the works already
<Althego>
as alon said: if sn8 craters
<Deddly>
I can imagine they'll be able to keep it steady, but perhaps not aimed exactly right, but the part where it goes vertical will likely fail.
<Deddly>
It'll be a fabulous show :)
<Althego>
i am not really afraid of the skydice
<Althego>
the problem is at the end where it has to flip 90 degrees
<Althego>
and land
<Deddly>
Skydive will work - it's neutrally stable
<Deddly>
Yes, exactly
<Althego>
supposedly most of the torque comes from the raptors
<Althego>
not the rcs
<Deddly>
But the hard part with the skydive is not merely remaining stable, it's also aiming the ship to the correct location for the flip
<Althego>
so it will have the power
<Althego>
but no rocket has ever done this before
<Deddly>
Looking forward to it, for sure
<Althego>
also probably higher than 1 twr too
<Althego>
so there is hardly any room for errors
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<Judge_Dedd>
It'll have loads of thrust at that point, no? Empty of fuel for the most part
<Althego>
doing a suicide burn while also doing a flip
<Althego>
that is the problem, too high thrust. if velocity or position is off it will slam into the ground or start to go up again and falls back from there
<Judge_Dedd>
Yeah...
<Althego>
same problem with falcon 9, but at least that is a normal landing
<Judge_Dedd>
They aren't going to land on 1?
<Althego>
hmm
<Althego>
maybe
<Althego>
that could help
<Althego>
or not
<Judge_Dedd>
or 2
<Judge_Dedd>
They actually haven't had any failures in flight or landing yet, right?
<Judge_Dedd>
Burst tanks and a few Raptor issues, some landing leg issues, all on the ground, and the landing leg issues were not catastrophic failures
<Judge_Dedd>
So Starship flight and landing record is actually 100 percent success so far
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<Judge_Dedd>
chanlog
<Mod9000>
I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
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<Mat2ch>
Judge_Dedd: it's all about the PID controllers and if they are configured correctly.
<Mat2ch>
If they are I see them having a successful flight and landing.
<Mat2ch>
And they are doing many many tests right now with the setup
<Althego>
that may or may not make it more important
<Rokker>
nah
<Rokker>
first rocket to land humans on foreign body
<Althego>
saturn v, and everything with the apolo program is far greater achievement
<Rokker>
yep
<Althego>
but the importance is a different thing
<Rokker>
nah
<Rokker>
Saturn V and Apollo hold much more importance than F9 can ever have
<Althego>
saturn v is basically a one off
<Althego>
for the long run falcon 9 may be more important
<Rokker>
the technologies it spawned sure as hell arent
<Althego>
but as i said, still the moon landing is the biggest achievement ever
<packbart>
each rocket dropped into the ocean increases the sea level ;) (not measurebly much, though, I imagine)
<Rokker>
F9 uses technologies created for Saturn V
<Althego>
not directly
<Althego>
but then everything is because of v2
<UmbralRaptor>
Okay, F9 uses LEM technologies
<packbart>
I'd say it gets increasingly difficult to attribute influences over time. shoulders of giants and all that. there probably wouldn't be any rockets without discovery of black powder and fire, anyway
<Althego>
even falcon 9 is just an intermediate solution
<Althego>
originally there were plans for full reusability
<Althego>
but then elon decided to focus on starship isntead
<packbart>
I hope rockets are just an intermediate solution ;)
<Althego>
yes, we all need docking port levitator ufos
<packbart>
but it doesn't look like any great break-throughs are to be expected in the medium future
<Althego>
even nuclear thermal is just the same thing
<Althego>
a bit differently
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<Deddly>
I mean, it depends what you're comparing, doesn't it? Saturn V was not the entire Moon landing
<Deddly>
Saturn V was tye booster. There were other parts that were probably more significant to actually landing on the moon
<Mat2ch>
Althego: the burp might be just some ressonance in the whole system. And that should be avoided...
<umaxtu>
they could get rid of that by adding MOAR ENGINES right?
<Althego>
it can be anything else, for example the releasing of the stress of the thrust giving way to the weight instead. could have been the base it was sitting on too
<Althego>
nonetheless it was a cool sound
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<Deddly>
I wonder if that sound has something to do with a built-im protection from water hammer
<Deddly>
built-in
<Deddly>
And of course, fuel and lox, not water, but I think it is still called water hammer
<FLHerne>
It happened with early test engines, but not the more recent ones (until now)
<FLHerne>
So the assumption in #SpaceX at least was that it wasn't intended, and possibly related to Elon's "looks like 600 Hz Raptor vibration problem is fixed" tweet
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<MisguidedKerbal>
Everyone see the new forum update?
<MisguidedKerbal>
...
<MisguidedKerbal>
Nobody's on, again
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<flayer>
He just gave us 36 seconds to respond...
<Deddly>
LOL
<packbart>
jup, I noticed. even got the "upgrade in progress" page inbeteen
<packbart>
new look
<Deddly>
Forum update went wrong and should be in the process of reverting
<packbart>
oh noez. it did work for me
<Deddly>
So don't be surprised to see a lot of wierdness
<Deddly>
I mean, it works, sort of. But there are problems with it
<FLHerne>
That's got to be a new record
<FLHerne>
I mean, wow
<Deddly>
Record for what?
<packbart>
ah, indeed. Now it throws some odd template errors
<packbart>
good luck :)
<packbart>
a record for the shortest appearance. I don't log join/part in this channel, so I can't compare
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<FLHerne>
Their previous appearances were 21 minutes and 20 minutes
<FLHerne>
So it's a new personal best at least
<umbralraptop>
yeah, it's frustrating when they act like we're a tech support phoneline / being paid to constantly monitor the channel
<Deddly>
Ah I see
<packbart>
there are no official records on how fast a forum upgrade can be reverted ;)
<Deddly>
Hehe
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<Deddly>
Still in progress
<packbart>
no worries. I don't envy you :)
<FLHerne>
And you can't have the record for worst-broken forum upgrade, because I still claim it :p
<packbart>
"Dofus requires a lot of strategy, planning, management, social skills, and this Wikia. And don't forget patience... lots and lots of patience..." - I guess it takes a lot of patience, then :)
<FLHerne>
Maybe less than ten years ago when someone wrote that
<FLHerne>
It used to be the most ludicrously grind-heavy game
<FLHerne>
So, is there a downside to starving my kittens, except the short-term absence of a kitten?
* FLHerne
*may* have accidentally starved some kittens...
<umbralraptop>
It means you're a bad person, and yes
<umbralraptop>
It's a reason to plant more catnip
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<packbart>
*reload* *reload*
<packbart>
1m lateral offset. not bad, MechJeb
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<packbart>
linuxgurugamer is going to release something tonight that will "blow us away" - or so he says. take cover! :)
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* Azander
hides under the launch pad :P
<umbralraptop>
In the rubber room?
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<FLHerne>
Hm, so I left the kitten thing running in another tab, and it went into a cycle where 70% of my population died each winter and were replaced in the spring
<FLHerne>
There are achievements for killing lots of kittens :p
<packbart>
a Firefox update killed my kittens - I had secretly hoped it would store some state in a local cookie
<umbralraptop>
there's something there for saving state, though I forget how
<umbralraptop>
FLHerne: I guess you could try getting that acheivement. for science. you monster.
<umaxtu>
wth are you talking about killing kittens?
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<packbart>
because that's what the program prints when it decreases a counter
<umaxtu>
you're all terrible people
<FLHerne>
I did kick a baby rabbit to death once
<FLHerne>
But only by accident
<FLHerne>
(I was cycling home and it ran in front of me)