<Mat2ch>
they just want to check that one instrument
<Mat2ch>
oh, the article I first read just said one instrument, not the whole thing
<Mat2ch>
tbh, if it just jumped around a bit it should be fine. If it hit something, then maybe not.
<Mat2ch>
But that's the anomaly teams decision to make.
<XXCoder>
yeah
<XXCoder>
have to checkover i think, because launching is very expensive
<Mat2ch>
(during the launch it will wiggle around a lot more, so I hope it's fine)
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<Mat2ch>
I'd wanna make sure, too.
<Mat2ch>
Just to be safe
<XXCoder>
i remember one that was launched, and fairings failed to open, so probe was trapped in it as it fell back to earth
<XXCoder>
cost millions
<Mat2ch>
It's a cheap thing to do in comparison to the whole craft
<XXCoder>
yep cheaper than merely launch too
<Mat2ch>
" A sudden, unplanned release of a clamp band – which secures Webb to the launch vehicle adapter – caused a vibration throughout the observatory."
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<Mat2ch>
and until Starship is ready there will be no option to send someone to repair it.
<darsie>
There will be no repair missions, IMHO.
<XXCoder>
sucks
<a_flayer>
webb delayed
<a_flayer>
i'm still optimistic
<darsie>
It's difficult to repair because it was not made to be repaired.
<darsie>
Manned missions to L2 are long and dangerous. There could be a CME.
<a_flayer>
i just want webb up there, looking at stuff
<darsie>
Cross your thumbs.
<Mat2ch>
darsie: not planned now. But when you got a huge rocket at your service which could launch repair missions, what do you think will happen?
<darsie>
Some idiot will fly there in a week, take it apart for a week, replace a thing, put it all together, loose a screw, replace it with chewing gum, fly back home for a week.
<Mat2ch>
that will happen if we can repair it easily...
<darsie>
We could zip a balloon around it and repair it in a pressurized environment so we don't need space suits.
<darsie>
It could be the start of the L2 society.
<darsie>
We could build a new one for 500 MUSD.
<a_flayer>
zip a balloon around it to do repair...
<a_flayer>
you should work for ESA
<darsie>
:)
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<trace>
for what would menkind need space
<darsie>
For their bodies.
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<trace>
for what would menkind need the space outside of the earth, moon, mars and else
<trace>
for example tourism
<trace>
or getting ressources
<trace>
or create energy
<trace>
or colonization
<trace>
any other ideas?
<trace>
or send atom rubbish into the sun
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<a_flayer>
resources can be found everywhere
<trace>
sure
<darsie>
We don't need to do any of that. But we want to.
<a_flayer>
i hope one day we will need to
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<trace>
planetary defense against stones from space
<a_flayer>
sometimes i think it would be nice if asteroids posed a more common direct threat to earth
<a_flayer>
that way we'd be more motivated to do something about it
<trace>
More celestial bodies make larger telescopes possible, so to speak, just as we on Earth can connect several distant telescopes together to form one giant telescope.
<trace>
or is this wrong?
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<NGC3982>
using celestial bodies is probably way more work than just keeping telescopes in space
<NGC3982>
non-circular orbits and a general hassle to intercept and land upon
<trace>
using them?
<NGC3982>
as telescopes
<trace>
why
<trace>
why should we use them as telescopes
<NGC3982>
i must have missunderstood you
<NGC3982>
i thought that was what you suggested
<NGC3982>
misunderstood*
<trace>
I meant telescopes could be positioned at other places
<trace>
so they can have greater distances
<trace>
for them to combine them being together one large telescope
<raptop>
As best I'm aware telescope-wise the more serious proposals are radio telescopes on the lunar far side, using the sun's gravity focus, and very long baseline shenanigans
<NGC3982>
what on earth is a gravity focus
<darsie>
Gravitational lensing?
<NGC3982>
from the sun?
<raptop>
yeah
<NGC3982>
wow
<NGC3982>
i was unaware we could use lensing on such small scales
<NGC3982>
"small"
<Althego>
i think that needs to be 150 au away from the sun
<NGC3982>
so not on the moon?
<Althego>
the moon is the radio telescope on the far side
<Althego>
because the moon blocks out the radio noise from earth
<NGC3982>
so the 150au is what exactly
<Althego>
the sun gravitational lens telescope needs to be far because the sun is not a strong lens
<raptop>
550 au because that's about he focal length. gravitational lenses are odd
<NGC3982>
i thought you tried to explain that we could use a radio telescope on the moon, 150 au from the sun
<darsie>
Use your mom.
<NGC3982>
my brain melted
<NGC3982>
darsie: you can be a mom
<raptop>
darsie: mommy!
<darsie>
How?
<Althego>
moth mommy?
<raptop>
hm
<darsie>
Uterus implant?
* raptop
sets up some lämps
<Althego>
hehe
<raptop>
The lunar farside telescope would be a seperate thing
<Althego>
there is this idea of 3 probes trailing earth and working as a large gravitational wave detector
<Althego>
i like that
<raptop>
eLISA?
<Althego>
you need only vacuum between them, so you essentially can get rid of all the tunnels and pipes
<Althego>
i think so
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<Mat2ch>
well, the decision if eLISA will be flown should be made until 2025. How many years will it take to build them and launch them?
<raptop>
Apparently quite a while since I think the target launch date is 2034?
<Mat2ch>
I haven't seen a launch date...
<Althego>
a launch date... when people go and watch a launch together?
<raptop>
hmm
<trace>
what can we do outside of earth what we cant do here?
<Althego>
you can fly on titan
<Althego>
you can experience zero g
<Althego>
you can see earth from outside
<Althego>
you can have space telescopes
<raptop>
Supposedly there are cool manufacturing things you can do with microgravity and high vacuum, but AFAIK that's been hyped up with nothing to show since at least the 1980s
<Althego>
well, yes, you can technically make new alloys for example
<umaxtu>
fiber optics is the one I've heard the most about
<Althego>
but then nobody did anything useful
<umaxtu>
heat dissipation would be a pain. and the radiators would have to be able to handle mmod
<raptop>
Anyone who says Lunar He-3 is at high risk of being stabbed by raptors
<umaxtu>
speaking of the moon. does the moons weird-ass gravity field cleanup the space around it?
<Althego>
but without power, there will be not enough light, and in the darkness you are likely to be eaten by a grue
<Althego>
so grue or raptor
<raptop>
umaxtu: I want to say yes, but also wouldn't risk my life on it without doing some studies first
* raptop
wonders if there are relevant papers in NTRS
<raptop>
Am I a bad person for suggesting orange tank + skipper to a player asking for an SSTO?
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
it works
<packbart>
I try to avoid SSTOs because they tend to leave debris in orbit
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* darsie
tries to get to orbit with two solids.
* raptop
wants to say that you can do SSTO orbiters with making history SRBs
<packbart>
the Clydesdale is a beast on its own. but sometimes one needs several of them to get off the ground ;)
<darsie>
Worked with Thumper+Hammer, but not purely prograde.
<darsie>
(except for launch)
<sandbox>
I thought you were talking about the horses there for a second
<sandbox>
awesome horses btw
<darsie>
I didn't know about them.
<packbart>
awesome boosters, too
<FLHerne>
packbart: Recoverable SSTO rockets are good
<FLHerne>
much easier than spaceplanes
<raptop>
In a KSP context, it feels like it's harder to do the recovery part with rockets, but harder to get the spaceplanes into orbit
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<packbart>
FLHerne: I've got the monies and unrecovered boosters don't clutter up Kerbin's oceans
<packbart>
my goal only to launch on hydrogen engines in a JNSQ scale is hard enough without landing those things ;)
<FLHerne>
raptop: nah, you just put little wings on the rocket
* raptop
should probably try more gliding recoveries then
<a_flayer>
i generally just go for a 70/40 km deorbit and then burn like 300-400 dv retrograde at 40 km to bring her in. put out some flaps to burn off additional speed
<a_flayer>
then i throw out the drogues and regular parachutes to make sure i only need to burn a tiny little bit at touchdown for a safe landing
<a_flayer>
and to make it possible to land while avoiding having to do an extremely careful landing burn