raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.2 http://bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | DART launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0OUvEh3HWk
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<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> is Ezriilc ok?
<Ezriilc> Yeah, I think so.
<Ezriilc> I appreciate your concern.
<Ezriilc> The reports of my demise have been... possibly and mildly exaggerated.
<Ezriilc> How can I help?
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I was startled and amazed by how many times you went in and out of chat
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> why are my words grey
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> Hold on, only mildly?
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<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> What to do about consistently snapping your engine off
<flayer> depends on how it happens
<Izaya> struts
<flayer> or, if it happens on lift-off of a space plane, put the wheels further in the back
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> boinking it off of the ground upon takeoff
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> the wheels are quite far back
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> unless I put a fourth directly under the engine itself?
<flayer> create more space between the ground and engines
* raptop slaps betelgeuse around with a cat-3 cable
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> larger landing gear, got it
<shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> lol kinky
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<Althego> hirys
<raptop> Hrm, in like 9 hours a chicken will interview a cat
<raptop> (the kind with only 1 tail)
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<Izaya> I think the main type with more than 1 tail wouldn't be very talkative.
<raptop> In most fantasy settings, the bakenekos seem reasonably talkative
* raptop gestures vaguely at chen and orin
<Izaya> Oh, you were thinking of a different type of cat with more than one tail. >.>
* raptop is curious as to what Izaya was thinking of
<umaxtu> I can't think of any advantages of having more than one tail
<raptop> Also, not to be confused with those foxes with multiple tails
* raptop ponders
<Izaya> No, I was thinking of the sort you can make out of ethernet cables
<raptop> ah
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<Althego> i never thought a rat could sing so well
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<Althego> oh right didnt come back automatically, then it is fine like this for now
<darsie> Will disconnect and rejoin.
<Althego> hmm, probably
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<flayer> kek
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<Althego> (local) leet time
<darsie> .
<darsie> I made it, kinda.
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* darsie giggles.
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<darsie> How much mass can you get to orbit with a single launch?
* UmbralRaptor eyes some of the heavier nova variants
<Althego> kikkerikii
<UmbralRaptor> So you're saying we should use a phoenix in the launcher?
<Althego> no, but possible
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<Mat2ch> darsie: the limiting factor is Unity here. :D
<darsie> There's the challenge :).
* darsie computes a Kerbin encounter ...
<darsie> Can't let KSP do it due to minimalism. Out of comm range.
<darsie> It's in solar orbit now.
<Althego> now that is hard
<darsie> It's ok :).
<darsie> It has SAS.
<darsie> Would be boring without challenge.
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<flayer> hopefully thats the end of the reboots
<Althego> reboots never end in hollywood :)
<flayer> luckily i don't engage with hollywood (beyond the one schizophrenic extra actor that i talk to occasionally lmao)
<Althego> lol
<flayer> she stalks robert pattinson and thinks i am him despite my repeated and continuous denials
<Althego> lol
<SporkWitch> sandbox: annoyingly no, you cannot, though it's possible for the same game to win nominations in multiple categories for the actual voting
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<raptop> o_O
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<darsie> That's so cool, I made a program and calculated encounters and it worked :))). Output was orbital period. https://i.postimg.cc/0xKC3jv4/2021-11-27-212050-1680x1050-scrot.png
<darsie> r is fraction of current period, so 0.99 was low delta v.
<Althego> nice
<Althego> i would need an orbital mechanics course before i could make something like this
<raptop> shiny
<darsie> Althego: No. I made an intersect, assumed I'd be at the intersect, calculated the times till Kerbin would be at the intersect on successive orbits, then divided this by the number of orbits I'd do, and picked the ones within reach.
<darsie> You can do that by some thinking.
<darsie> Now, calculating the dv to reach my new orbit is another thing. But KER shows me the orbital period.
<darsie> And I burned till I reached my calculated period.
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<darsie> WTH, why doesn't my rescue rocket have chutes???
<FLHerne> hah
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<darsie> done
<SporkWitch> you'll have to send another rocket up to weld some on! :P
<darsie> :)
<darsie> I sent the right rocket. With chutes.
<darsie> It's impossible to calculate the circumference of a circle from the diameter exactly.
<darsie> Just as it's impossible to exactly calculate the circumference of an ellipse.
<SporkWitch> huh? if it's a circle then the circumference is just diameter * pi
<darsie> Right. And each ellipse has its own major axis to circumference constant.
<SporkWitch> and a quick google search tells me that to calculate the circumference of an elipse it's 2pi*sqrt((a^2+b^2)/2)
<SporkWitch> where a is the semi-major axis and b is the semi-minor axis
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<darsie> That's surprisingly simple.
<SporkWitch> i concede i did have to google it for the elipse, but it was the first hit; mind it's not a perfect formula, but it is listed as a good approximation (which we're already doing good approximations anyway since we're working with patched conics in KSP)
<darsie> hah, see.
<SporkWitch> it just sounded wrong on its face that you couldn't calculate circumference from the radius, especially for a circle
<darsie> Well, calculate the circumference of a circle with diameter 1.
<darsie> You can only approximate it.
<darsie> There are series, but it's never exact.
<darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nW3nJhBHL0 Why is there no equation for the perimeter of an ellipse‽
<darsie> Same for ellipses.
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<darsie> It's all approximations.
<SporkWitch> at a certain degree of precision it's a distinction without a difference. Calculate pi out further and you'll get infinitely closer. Arguably once you hit the planck length there is no distinction.
<darsie> Yeah, you can get as close to the true value as your computer has memory.
<SporkWitch> i'm saying that at a certain point it's a meaningless difference and one can reasonably call it the true value
<darsie> You could also say you solved the three or n body problem.
<darsie> Although that's a bit different, tbf.
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<SporkWitch> i'm rusty so i'm brainfarting on how to represent it in proper scientific notation (i'm used to going up, not down), but there's no meaningful difference between 0.99 repeating and 1.0 in any practical application. That's all i'm saying. To say it's impossible to caclculate is splitting hairs on a mathematical technicality when for all intents and purposes, you've got the real value
<SporkWitch> it's like 1/3; you can't represent 1/3 as a float, but in reality you can take 1/3 of something.
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<darsie> That's one of the series approximations of the ellipse circumference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nW3nJhBHL0&t=890s
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