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<XXCoder>
;mission
<LunchBot>
XXCoder: You attempt to beat the spacetime rug. The physics engine does not properly compute the collision of your ship and Kerbin. You fly straight through and begin your next mission.
<Deddly>
Are all of those pages just Google Translate or has someone actually done all this work?
<Deddly>
It seems a shame to remove it if it's human translation - that's a lot of work
<Deddly>
I mean, it's a waste of a lot of effort
<Deddly>
Althego, since development of KSP 1 has finished, apart from possibly bug fixes, I think the only hope for proper engine plumes in stock is KSP 2. The discussion I linked is about KSP 2
<Althego>
too bad
<Bebiezaza>
Here are all the contributors who have translated Thai language, including the slightest touch of them
<Bebiezaza>
Cyberian, PPminecraft, JavaDevil, Panawat, Wutzwz (Thai Wikipedian), Bebiezaza (ME lol also a Thai Wikipedian), X-982p Kerman (Thai Wikipedian who I've talked about ending Thai Translation project)
<Bebiezaza>
Maybe not all, but that's what I've found
<Deddly>
Thanks, Bebiezaza
<Deddly>
Althego, not happy about the idea of KSP 2?
<Althego>
graphics update could be done for ksp 1 to achieve similar things
<Althego>
and they have to reimplement ksp 1 and add a lot of fratures
<Althego>
like the base management
<Althego>
so i think they will fail to copy something, fail to implement something new to be balanced, or fail to integrate the different game aspects (basically different games)
<Althego>
all in all making ksp 2 worse, except for the graphics
<Bebiezaza>
Deddly, and about the translation, they are mostly easy words, some of them might have used only Google Translate
<Bebiezaza>
[[Kerbol System/th]] , [[Moho/th]] , and [[Mohole/th]] are pages I have recently started from scratch, but I'm open to scrapping them.
<Deddly>
Thanks a lot, Bebiezaza. Let's see what KSPStar says. I'm not sure if she's working today, but she'll get the message eventually
<Althego>
about 13 minutes until launch
<umaxtu>
Althego: sometimes its nice to start over instead of with an existing codebase
<Althego>
true
<Althego>
but for a graphics overhaul you dont need to touch the code
<Bebiezaza>
Thanks Deddly. I'm not really an IRC user so I might not be online by then. If there are any responses, please put them into the forum thread I've created (and for backtracking too).
<Deddly>
Althego, except for performance reasons. I expect the graphics they're going for would require a much more powerful machine if it were for KSP 1
<Althego>
looked like it had high acceleration at liftoff
<Deddly>
They should strut the boosters to the nose cone for moar stability
<Deddly>
I'm spoiled by SpaceX - I want on-board cameras
<Deddly>
They even cut out the only camera feed just as the fairing was about to separate :/
<Althego>
not only spacex
<Althego>
even soyuz and progress launches have onboard cameras
<Deddly>
Yeah I know others have good cameras too, but SpaceX have so many launches it's easy to catch one every now and then without planning for it
<Althego>
and there are others, obviousl the electron too, but i think the new small launchers, like firefly and astra have cameras too
<Mat2ch>
The countdown they showed was a display they filmed...
<Deddly>
Yeah Electron is pretty good
<Althego>
i have seen ula launch with camera on first stage
<Althego>
at least it looked like it was there
<Althego>
anyway i think the most boring launches are fro mesa
<Althego>
lot of talk, very little footage
<Deddly>
Blue Origin streams are mind numbing
<Althego>
those are ads
<Deddly>
Exactly
<Deddly>
They are worse than "infomercials"
<Mat2ch>
Is someone still watching their streams?
<Deddly>
Mat2ch, I expect there are still some people who record it so they can play it later as a "live stream" on YouTube
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
i gate those
<Althego>
especially with spacex
<Althego>
with the fake names
<Althego>
like space x
<Althego>
and such
<Mat2ch>
I hate them very much, too
<Deddly>
I'll be reporting them if I see them again
<Mat2ch>
but lately yt seems to have implemented something to not show me them anymore
* X
likes space, yes
<Deddly>
Someone said that YouTube are pretty good at having them stopped
<Althego>
yes, so good that they were recommended for weeeks
<Deddly>
Haha, X is always ready to be pinged
<Mat2ch>
btw it's almost 10 at the Boca Chica launch site and B4 is already venting...
<Althego>
and sandbox
<Althego>
and snow
<Deddly>
museum
<Mat2ch>
X: But do you like fake streams to advertise cryptocoin stuff?
<Althego>
oh nyo
<Rokker>
musuem
<Mat2ch>
lol
<Mat2ch>
:D
* X
didn’t even know that steams could be faked. X has a degree in economics so he sees the obvious faults in current cryptocoins.
<Deddly>
X, so you're a dogecoin advocate, are you?
* X
uses this opportunity to warn of the dangerous of deflationary monetary systems.
<Deddly>
What's a deflationary monetary system?
<X>
*Dangers…
<Althego>
i guess the counter to inflationary
<X>
It’s anything that doesn’t have a mechanism to account for increased demand for the currency by making more currency.
<Althego>
so you let it sit there and it just gains value
<Althego>
meanwhile the value of cryptothing is emitted carbon dioxide. why would anybodsy pay for that?
<Mat2ch>
because it's cheap and tomorrows problem.
<Althego>
basically it is like paying for farts
<Althego>
which is actually a business as it turned out
<X>
Like…. most commodities, like gold or bitcoin.
<X>
A non deflationary cryptocurrency would generate additional currency for every transaction.
<Deddly>
X, would the purpose be to prevent it from skyrocketing in value and making a few early adopters insanely rich?
<X>
In… temporal? Monetary policy, if there is a lot of demand for currency, the central bank should issue more currency to keep up with the demand for money.
<X>
Deddly: that could actually still happen. But essentially it would be a counter to that.
<Deddly>
Interesting.
<Deddly>
Bitcoin's mechanism is to progressively increase the work needed to mine new currency. Does that help, or does it merely putt off the problem?
<Deddly>
put*
<Althego>
that is exactly there to make it impossible to generate more
<X>
Bitcoin’s mechanism is time based, not dependent on use and decreasing over time.
<Deddly>
So what is the main problem with such a system? Insane inflation?
<X>
Imagine the earth contains a certain amount of gold. The easy to mine gold is released into the world first, and used for transactions. As the demand for gold increases, its relative value to other goods increases, and it makes it more economical to mine gold further under ground or more impure gold. However the amount of gold available to be a currency is ultimately limited by the amount of gold in the earth.
<X>
Uh
<X>
Insane deflation
<Izaya>
asteroids want to know your location
<X>
When there is demand for its use
<Deddly>
Right, deflation, sorry
<flayer>
there was a huge increase in people
<flayer>
they had to dilute the gold
<flayer>
in the coins
<flayer>
to the point where paper money was the only reasonable alternative
<flayer>
backed by an inflated price of essentially fictitious, potential, gold
<flayer>
when it became obvious it was impossible to maintain the facade in the 60s, they started working towards backing the currency with oil
<Deddly>
X, that's very interesting. But does that not actually mean that it's a GOOD thing for people to invest in it before the demand increases?
<X>
Yep. Fiat currency is the only known way to mitigate commodity risk in currency right biw.
<X>
Deddly: if you are certain there will be demand….
<flayer>
there is very little actual demand for gold
<flayer>
only in the entirely fictional world of finances is there a demand for gold
<Deddly>
X can't you say the same thing for Dollars, Euro or Sterling?
<X>
I wouldn’t ever invest in currency unless for some weird reason the government has announced a deflationary policy. Even then you’re probably better off investing in a company or a bond.
<Deddly>
Althego, didn't the Romans used to use salt? (Salary comes from the word salt, I think)
<Deddly>
X, but then why would you warn of the dangers of a deflationary system?
<Rokker>
Deddly: this is from the National Museum of the US Army
<Rokker>
it's the backup instrumentation for a pretty important satellite
<Deddly>
Which satellite?
<Rokker>
SCORE
<Rokker>
the first commsat
<Rokker>
Deddly: I need to upload the photos still. I'll send them to you when I do
<Rokker>
oh
<Rokker>
I saw the Orion capsule
<Deddly>
Awesome
<Mat2ch>
X: So, if I want to invest a small amount of money, say 10k EUR for half a year, what would you suggest?
<Izaya>
for my next trick I'll add another node after the encounter one to match orbits (by brute forcing the speicifc closest approach and getting the velocity difference)
<Althego>
!calc 1.141/0.657/2
<Kerbot>
Althego => ~0.86834094368340943683
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<Deddly>
Hey I just realised mod9000 is missing
<Mat2ch>
Deddly: but on both pictures it's always the bigger tank
<Mat2ch>
and you can clearly see that the bigger tank is at the bottom on B4
<Deddly>
This is true
<Althego>
the bigger tank is the methane
<Althego>
er
<Althego>
oxygen
<Althego>
because first i didnt take into account you need 2 o2 molecules for 1 methane
<Deddly>
According to Wikipedia, 2,800 t of liquid oxygen and 800 t of liquid methane
<Althego>
so it is app. 2x denser than emthane, but you need 2x as much, so the density ratio gives this 86%
<Althego>
for volume
<Deddly>
Sounds about right.
<Deddly>
So why have the heavier part at the bottom? To avoid crushing the tank below?
<Althego>
that can be
<Althego>
as beck said, the most of the force on the tanks and the rocket is buckling
<Deddly>
I guess
<Althego>
and there can be a thoudand other reasons
<Althego>
it can also happen than in a later iteration the tanks are reversed
<Althego>
didnt that happen to starship?
<Mat2ch>
It did
<Deddly>
I guess that's why there are conflicting diagrams
<Deddly>
Which liquid is colder?
<Althego>
hehe scott's video, didnt mention that jwst has now missed 24th
<Althego>
with spacex you can never know, do they supercool starship too?
<Althego>
the gunniest thing is, they are actually doing a fine interview, although they are only a fake news site
<sandbox>
f
<Althego>
no need to pay respects, nobody died :)
<Althego>
yes there was a typo there
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<Althego>
kikkerikii
<Althego>
but i cant stay up...
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<SporkWitch>
sandbox: the full 1:40-ish one? the one i linked yesterday was only about 40 minutes of it
<sandbox>
SporkWitch, yep the full one
<Althego>
the full is about 100 minutes
<sandbox>
or half that if you watch at 2x speed ;p
<SporkWitch>
and yeah, Babylon Bee IS a satire site, but they are smart people. They also have Not The Bee, where they report on real, albeit absurd, news (generally stuff that they WOULD publish as satire, but it's actually real lol)
<SporkWitch>
sandbox: just making sure, because the longer one actually gets into the weeds on Starship, so i knew it would be of high interest here heh
<Althego>
the problem with 2x speed is, that elon has a speech pattern that makes him hard to understand
<Althego>
honestly i hate how he talks
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<Izaya>
SporkWitch: /sfg/ lurker?
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