raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.1.4.0 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png
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<XXCoder> maybe
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<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You attempt to construct a colony in Jool. As long as he doesn't do anything reckless or stupid, Jeb will be just fine.
<XXCoder> theres still those vats if jeb wasnt fine
<raptop> What happens if the vats run out of goo?
<XXCoder> ;outcome add You forgot about stage zero, the planning stage. Failed.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: You forgot about stage zero, the planning stage. Failed.
<XXCoder> rap its just mixure of wood from trees and grass
<XXCoder> they'll never run out
<raptop> oh, good
<XXCoder> :mission add For Science, you try to find out what goo in Jeb vats is made from.
<LunchBot> Added mission: For Science, you try to find out what goo in Jeb vats is made from.
<Eddi|zuHause> !mission fixup s/goo/the goo/
<LunchBot> New text is: For Science, you try to find out what the goo in Jeb vats is made from.
<raptop> !outcome add Your cloning vats run out of mystery goo.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Your cloning vats run out of mystery goo.
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<Eddi|zuHause> !mission add Halfway through constructing a dyson sphere you run out of materials.
<LunchBot> Added mission: Halfway through constructing a dyson sphere you run out of materials.
<raptop> oh no
<raptop> !mission
<LunchBot> You discover a gravitational anomaly that's been floating around interstellar space for so long there's a planet around it. At least you have really mastered the art of counting backwards.
<raptop> There are a great many intermediate steps missing this time
<XXCoder> yep
<XXCoder> or many failed launches
<raptop> also, that mission sounds almost like that one game that NovaSilisko was working on for a while
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<sandbox> !mission
<LunchBot> Kmath can't be bothered to find you a mission. GreeningGalaxy zaps you with her laser.
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<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You frost Wernher's 1000-hour tenure cake with ammonium nitrate. You live to witness man-made horrors within your comprehension.
<Eddi|zuHause> the wrath of wernher?
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<Mat2ch> If I learnt one thing from Scott Manley it was: If your engine dies, push the nose down.
<Althego> except when the flight envelope protection doesnt let you do it :)
<Mat2ch> at around 1 minute is the interesting part
<Mat2ch> so that system rather lets you stall and fall back to earth and die?
<Althego> yes exactly :)
<Althego> and yes it happened
<Althego> although i think it was maybe in the reverse direction
<Althego> didnt let the pilot pull up so they hit the trees
<Mat2ch> great...
<Mat2ch> I bet there's a way to shut it down
<Althego> it seems you cant completely disable it in airbus
<Althego> it has a fallback alternate mode in degraded operation
<Mat2ch> the text says it was a pilot error, not the computer. But it's disputed somehow
<Mat2ch> degraded as in: Someone pulled the breaker. :D
<Althego> on the other hand in most cases the computer helps you to stay in the safe zone
<Althego> part of the fly by wire, i doubt you can disable it without losing controls
<Pinkbeast> Having read the relevant bits of the accident report it doesn't seem clear _anything_ was going to stop them hitting the trees at that juncture
<Althego> i remember in one of those air crash series it wasexplained that because they were close to stall they couldnt pull up
<Althego> obviously they shouldnt have been that low in that situation
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<sandbox> !mission
<LunchBot> You switch the safeties off for an experiment. It is used by nefarious porpoises.
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<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You switch to an x64 version of KSP. You set your maneuver node wrong and smash into the ground again.
<Mat2ch> It's all the architecture and not my mistake!
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<sandbox> 1337
<darsie> .
<KrazyKrl> ;outcome add It's the worst day of your life so far... again.
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<LunchBot> Added outcome: It's the worst day of your life so far... again.
<KrazyKrl> ;mission add You cut out all the intermediate steps, and only have landings. That's what happens when you measure once and cut your stringers twice.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You cut out all the intermediate steps, and only have landings. That's what happens when you measure once and cut your stringers twice.
<KrazyKrl> ha, stairway pun.
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<Eddi|zuHause> what's a "stringer" in this context?
<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You modify your flight computer to run LISP. GreeningGalaxy spends the next hour talking about what she did with KSPI.
<Eddi|zuHause> people always have to 1UP each other it seems :p
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<darsie> In the context of construction or carpentry, "stringers" refer to structural components used in staircases, decks, and other similar structures. Stringers are essentially long, inclined beams that provide support for a series of steps or treads. They are responsible for carrying the load of the steps and the weight of the people using them, distributing this load to the underlying structure.
<darsie> The saying "measure once and cut your stringers twice" is a humorous way of cautioning against making mistakes when building stairs, especially when cutting the stringers, as it can lead to problems like uneven steps or unstable staircases.
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<darsie> .mission add Jeb uses his headlights to accelerate to two c.
<LunchBot> Added mission: Jeb uses his headlights to accelerate to two c.
<Eddi|zuHause> so, the beams that the individual stairs get mounted on
<darsie> Apparantely. ChatGPT said it.
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<Eddi|zuHause> it apparently missed the joke that it's meant to be "measure twice cut once" :p
<darsie> Let's break down the saying:
<darsie> "Measure once": This part of the saying emphasizes the importance of precise measurements before starting the construction of the stairs. Accurate measurements ensure that the stairs will fit properly and be safe to use.
<darsie> The saying highlights the fact that mistakes in measuring and cutting stringers can be costly and time-consuming to rectify. It serves as a reminder to carpenters and builders to take great care in their initial measurements and calculations when constructing stairs or similar structures to avoid problems later in the construction process.
<darsie> "Cut your stringers twice": Cutting the stringers refers to the process of shaping these structural components to the correct dimensions and angles. The saying suggests that if you don't measure accurately the first time and make a mistake when cutting the stringers, you may have to redo the cutting (cut them twice) to correct the error.
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<packbart> as the other saying goes "Cut twice and it's still too short"
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<KrazyKrl> The original saying is "measure twice, cut once.".
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<Eddi|zuHause> that's the thing with the current iteration of "AI", it will lie you into the face with the utmost confidence.
<Eddi|zuHause> it has no sense of factual correctness
<Eddi|zuHause> it's just a string of words that sounds plausible
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<Althego> hehe the future version will do the same knowlingly :)
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<Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add The AI lied to you.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: The AI lied to you.
<Mat2ch> It did not! It isn't allowed to!
<Eddi|zuHause> that's lawmaker thinking. if something is made illegal, that will certainly stop it from happening.
<Althego> lol
<Eddi|zuHause> it already happened with encryption. it wasn't possible to mathematically prove the encryption to be safe, so it was declared safe by law.
<Althego> fsvo safe
<Althego> probably meant secure
<packbart> Eddi|zuHause: except for Australia ;)
<packbart> ( “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” said Turnbull )
<darsie> How many digits is pi in Australia?
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<FLHerne> .stupid add "The bill's language and topic occasioned confusion among the membership; a member from Bloomington proposed that it be referred to the Finance Committee, but the Speaker accepted another member's recommendation to refer the bill to the Committee on Swamplands, where the bill could 'find a deserved grave'. It was transferred to the Committee on Education, which reported favorably."
<LunchBot> Added quote: "The bill's language and topic occasioned confusion among the membership; a member from Bloomington proposed that it be referred to the Finance Committee, but the Speaker accepted another member's recommendation to refer the bill to the Committee on Swamplands, where the bill could 'find a deserved grave'. It was transferred to the Committee on Education, which reported favorably."
<Eddi|zuHause> Althego: easy mistake, if the word's meaning isn't divided like that in the native language
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<sandbox> !mission
<LunchBot> You dance till the Kraken comes. The Dunan curse kicks in and summons the Kraken.
<sandbox> :)
<Althego> hehe
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<Althego> didnt say how long it took
<Pinkbeast> 40 atmospheres is the default part pressure limit, right?
<packbart> Computer says yes. or 400m below the surface
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<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You forget to check yo' staging. Luckily the asbestos isn't flammable.
<Mat2ch> Man, I'm feeling lucky today.
<Eddi|zuHause> !mission add You invent badger staging.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You invent badger staging.
<raptop> what does this imply for mushrooms and snakes?
<Eddi|zuHause> i hope it's not muhroom clouds
<Eddi|zuHause> *mushroom
<sandbox> mushboom
<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You attempt to research the entire tech tree with a single launch. You find out the hard way that parachutes were not accounted for in the mission budget.
<Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i've ever finished the tech tree
<FLHerne> I know I haven't
<FLHerne> got close
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<Mat2ch> I have several times, but always by science mining on Mun and Minmus.
<Eddi|zuHause> i have an aversion of fast forward, i think...
<Mat2ch> Fast Forward?
<Mat2ch> you mean the time warp?
<Eddi|zuHause> ye
<Eddi|zuHause> s
<Eddi|zuHause> whatever
<raptop> Either that, or he's had some bad experiences with git workflow
<Eddi|zuHause> it's called differently in every game
<Mat2ch> hehe
<Mat2ch> I hate it, too. But there's no other way to get to other planets in a reasonable timeframe without it.
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<Eddi|zuHause> i do use it, but there's always something to do every few days...
<Eddi|zuHause> makes running a year-long mission hard
<Mat2ch> true. That's why I always kept on doing one mission at a time
<Pinkbeast> Kerbal Alarm Clock has been my friend for many years, notwithstanding a few oddities
<Pinkbeast> (most obviously that while it will autocreate an alarm for a planned manuever and delete it if the maneuver is cancelled, it won't delete the alarm if the vessel is removed, meaning on Elcano-all-the-things I sometimes only found out when a scanner probe was due to arrive it didn't actually _exist_.)
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<Izzy> the stock one does goofy stuff like that sometimes
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