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awang>
Jeez, cut 50kg off the probe, and suddenly I can get to orbit with ~300 m/s without having to overburn the upper stage by a minute
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awang>
There doesn't seem to be much reason to pick Tank-III over the balloon tank in my opinion
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awang>
Just doesn't turn out to much of a difference in cost, rollout cost, or build time
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awang>
Is that the way things are supposed to be?
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awang>
For this particular rocket, I can use a 2m x 15.3 Tank-III for the first stage, or a 2m x 14.8 balloon tank
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awang>
Vacuum dv goes from 4810 to 4992
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awang>
Per-rocket cost goes from 6477 to 6668
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awang>
build time goes from ~149 days to ~155 days
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awang>
Rollout cost goes from 24123.1 to 24921
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ProjectThoth>
Does hacking gravity change the parameters of craft in orbit?
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awang>
IIRC, yes, indirectly
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awang>
Your craft keeps its velocity/position, but the planet's gravity changes
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awang>
So at apoapsis/periapsis, your semimajor axis would change
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ProjectThoth>
Ah, good thing I don't have anything important up there.
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awang>
What are you doing that requires messing with universal constants?
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ProjectThoth>
awang: Testing rover deployment systems.
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ProjectThoth>
Now that I've finished my Apollo re-do in stock...
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awang>
ProjectThoth: Ah, fair enough
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awang>
Protip: low-TWR upper stages can't correct for aerodynamic forces
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ProjectThoth>
awang: Yeah, I learned that while screwing around with the ascent stage.
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awang>
What mechanism are you using for rover deployment?
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awang>
lamont: Is it possible for physics delta time to affect whether MJ cuts off an upper stage engine?
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ProjectThoth>
awang: A decoupler on a stick.
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ProjectThoth>
Damn, I found this absolutely beautiful CSM design that I want to use, but it feels like plagiarism.
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awang>
Give credit if you use it?
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awang>
Or ask for permission?
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awang>
Off-topic: TIL heavy probe cores are INSANELY expensive
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awang>
*light probe cores for heavy ships
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awang>
Those costs climb crazily fast as utilization goes up
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awang>
That looks really nice!
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ProjectThoth>
Thanks! I really wanna try the AAP challenge in some form.
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awang>
AAP challenge?
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ProjectThoth>
Apollo Applications Program.
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awang>
What's the challenge?
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ProjectThoth>
It's on the forums, one moment.
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awang>
That looks pretty interesting
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awang>
I like how my first comms/weather satellite is about 2.5 times the cost of my Mars/Venus impactors
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wb99999999>
doesn't sound very impossible for me tho
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wb99999999>
commsats are huge
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awang>
Guess that's something that's never occurred to me before
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wb99999999>
well everyone designs differently
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wb99999999>
I'm just saying that real life commsats are usually big buses with large power supply and propellant for years of station keeping
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wb99999999>
ya know
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wb99999999>
so they are large
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awang>
Guess that's what the ComsatPayload thing is supposed to compensate for
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awang>
Nothing quite beats having to actually deal with it yourself though
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wb99999999>
well now you reminded me the commsat bubble
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wb99999999>
and the dead Delta 3 rocket...
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awang>
Commsat bubble?
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wb99999999>
in the 90s
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wb99999999>
I only have vague idea of what happened
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wb99999999>
but apparently there is a commsat bubble that burst and killed a few vehicles
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wb99999999>
including the Delta 3
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awang>
Jeez that's a large fairing
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awang>
Looks pretty similar to the Delta II Heavy
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awang>
And/or the Delta II
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wb99999999>
Delta II heavy actually came later than this
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wb99999999>
they took the GEM-46 srbs from Delta III and fit them on the Delta II chassis
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wb99999999>
normal Delta II uses GEM-40
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wb99999999>
but the upper stage became DCSS on Delta IV laater
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Maxsimal>
What's new, been a while since I was on
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lamont>
awang: afaik the code i’ve written should tolerate tweaking physics delta’s just fine
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awang>
Lack of RCS balancing is driving me nuts
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awang>
Fine maneuvering is stupid hard
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lamont>
why are you building out of balance rockets?
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awang>
I assumed that "min throttle" actually meant something
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awang>
And that force couples are a thing
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Rokker>
Bornholio_: Russia is apparently considering using the Tu-22 as a nuclear bomber again. do you know what that means?
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UmbralRaptor>
Why, tho. I thought the Tu-22M did everything better.
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Rokker>
UmbralRaptor: Tu-22M
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Rokker>
is what I was referring to
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soundnfury>
welp, it's snowing
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awang>
Is there anything I can do to fix KSP loading a vessel with parts offset weirdly?
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awang>
Like I just loaded a probe and the fuel tank is sitting maybe half a radius worth off center
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awang>
And the probe is spinning
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acc>
usually that only happens with IR involved. duno if you can fix that
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acc>
save file hacking might be the way to go there
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awang>
I have IR installed, but don't have any of its parts on the ship
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awang>
Is just having it installed enough to break things?
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awang>
My probe just spontaneously combusted in the middle of a burn
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xShadowx>
too much heat?;p
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awang>
Pretty sure I was well above the atmosphere
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awang>
This part jerking thing on physics load is getting old real fast too
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ProjectThoth>
awang: Yeah, I hate that.
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awang>
Is there anything that can be done about it?
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awang>
Or is it just one of those facts of life when playing KSP?
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ProjectThoth>
I find heavier craft tend to not experience as violent a jolt, and launch clamps help.
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awang>
I never had issues when loading a craft for launching
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awang>
This is loading a small probe that is on its way to the Moon
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ProjectThoth>
Craft switching?
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ProjectThoth>
Oh, hmm.
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awang>
Well, that's when I first noticed it
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awang>
Seems like loading a (quick)save also causes it
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awang>
At first, reloading the save fixed it, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more