00:53 <awang> How do I get the tooled cost for a proc part?

00:59 <awang> Also, is there a way to get the Part a PartModule is attached to?

01:20 <taniwha> PartModule.part

01:37 <awang> That's it

01:37 <awang> Thanks!

02:02 <awang> Alternatively for the cost of a tooled part, how can I get the default cost for a part?

02:02 <awang> So I can just use (partTotalCost - ModuleTooling.GetModuleCost(defaultcost))

02:02 <awang> Either way, really

02:08 <awang> schnobs: How'd you get the values needed to make NavUtilities aware of the RSS runway?

02:24 <awang> lamont: For the new PEG

02:24 <awang> When "Booster Pitch end" is not selected

02:24 <awang> When does the pitch program end?

02:29 <awang> Also, what's with the pitch program deciding to point waayyyyyyy down

02:29 <awang> Like -25 degrees

02:33 <awang> And what are these fancy new lines for?

02:39 <awang> And is autostaging supposed to ignite engines on its own?

02:56 <awang> Also, jeez things in KSP have a high max temperature tolerance

03:19 <awang> What is the difference supposed to be between Part.skinExposedArea and Part.exposedArea?

04:25 <schnobs> awang: I equipped a small cockpit with launch clamps, put it as far back&low in SPH as I could, hit "launch".

04:26 <schnobs> Noted coordinates etc, converted them to decimal, entered into file.

04:26 <schnobs> wohoo! success!

04:29 <schnobs> awang: Simply put, config requires lat/long/alt of the end of the runway (just place something there and read it's position in the world), and the runway direction (that's what the launchclamps were for, to keep my vessel steady).

04:31 <awang> I see

04:32 <awang> I'll go give that a shot then

04:32 <awang> Thanks!

04:42 <schnobs> awang: I thought I made a pull request for "my" coordinates, can't see where it went.

04:43 <schnobs> If you need stock KSC, I can deliver.

04:47 <awang> Sure

04:50 <schnobs|afk-ish> http://ksp.schnobs.de/stuff/customRunways.cfg

04:52 <awang> Alright, thanks!

05:18 <awang> Is Vessel.srf_velocity incorrect in any way?

05:18 <awang> MJ calculates it as orbitalVelocity - vesselmainBody.getRFrmVel(CoM)

05:18 <awang> Wondering if there is any reason why instead of grabbing it directly

05:18 <taniwha> looks right

05:18 <taniwha> ah, might be new

05:19 <awang> I see

05:20 <ProjectThoth> Yay, people are doing my challenge!

05:22 <awang> Guess I can ask the same about atmosphericDensity

05:22 <taniwha> or possibly was incorrect

05:22 <awang> There's Vessel.atmDensity

05:22 <awang> MJ uses atmosphericDensity = FlightGlobals.getAtmDensity(atmosphericPressure, temperature)

05:22 <taniwha> I do remember there being a lot of tweaks to such things for 1.2

05:23 <taniwha> (NK and I (more he) went to a lot of effort to get all positions and velocities into sync (ie, nothing was out by a frame))

05:27 <awang> So it should be right now?

05:27 <awang> Looks like MJ code needs a little modernizing

05:27 <awang> AKA breaking things

05:29 <taniwha> certainly needs testing to see what is still required

06:45 <awang> Ahhhh

06:45 <awang> SolverEngines/Plugins/PluginData/SolverEngines/EngineDatabse.cfg

06:46 <awang> The typos

06:55 <lamont> awang: i would bet there’s a pile of MJ code in VesselState which is still circa KSP 0.24 or something — the problem is that its difficult to know if you should touch it and clean it up or not

07:09 <lamont> also awang: it ends when the pitchover equals the peg prediction for pitch. it may be a better idea to not do that and flight a zero-AoA gravity turn to minimize aero forces on stage separation to not have it wobble all over the place, but then you have to hunt around with settings to make the initial pitch of the upper stage match the peg prediction. may be better to just allow peg to fly it the whole time and constrain AoA to 1-2 degree

07:11 <lamont> and you’d have to be more specific on when you’re seeing a lot of pitch down. it might be normal. also might depend on which version of the code you’re using. although i just rewrote the guts of it again tonight for like the eigth time, so whatever you’re seeing may just go away in later revisions.

07:13 <awang> lamont: Yeah, I'm a bit scared to touch the MJ code since I don't know what was supposed to work around bugs that have been fixed and what is still working around bugs that haven't been fixed

07:14 <awang> Ah, the pitch program thing makes sense. It's much more user-friendly, for sure

07:14 <awang> btw, the pitch shown for "Autopilot status"

07:14 <lamont> yeah the default is a bit more stupid-proof, while still allowing NK and folks to fiddle

07:14 <awang> Is that supposed to be the difference between current pitch and what PEG is predicting?

07:15 <lamont> yeah, that’s a countdown

07:15 <awang> The ton of pitch down was just for a single flight. Didn't see it again, for whatever reason

07:15 <awang> I'll see if I can replicate it

07:15 <awang> PEG does seem to be somewhat twitchy, though

07:16 <awang> Also, the circularization burn after cutoff is hilariously off

07:16 <lamont> circ burn?

07:16 <awang> Uh

07:16 <lamont> yeah, don’t use that

07:16 <awang> It's the burn MJ seems to schedule after upper stage cutoff

07:16 <awang> Hmmm

07:17 <awang> Disable by default when using PEG, maybe?

07:17 <lamont> maybe

07:17 <lamont> but yeah i never fly with that on when i’m using PEG

07:17 <lamont> and yeah there’s some questionable code in there

07:17 <lamont> i’d never even considered someone might try to use that

07:17 <awang> It was on by default for me

07:17 <awang> I always manually canceled the burn, but this time I was curious as to what it was supposed to do

07:18 <awang> Also, when did persistent rotation stop being a requirement for RO?

07:18 <lamont> yeah i’ve got it turned off and my settings are persistent, so i’ve never checked

07:18 <awang> Er, a recommended mod

07:18 <lamont> well, its a bit problematic, that stupid default its got that you always have to disable and its never compiled for latest KSP

07:19 <awang> I usually have it off, but my settings tend to get temporarily wiped when I'm jumping around in my git history

07:19 <awang> Stupid default?

07:19 <lamont> yeah it keeps it oriented relative to the mainbody in the orbit instead of just keeping it inertially oriented

07:20 <lamont> or something like that, IDK, i just turn it off when it acts wonky

07:20 <awang> Ah

07:21 <awang> btw, I submitted a MJ PR to allow for fairing autostaging based on heat flux

07:21 <awang> So you might have another merge to make :P

07:22 <lamont> should be trivial

07:23 <awang> Does MJ have a test suite or something I can use to see if "cleaning up" VesselState breaks anything?

07:23 <lamont> no

07:23 <lamont> no unit tests or anything

07:24 <awang> :(

07:24 <lamont> yep

07:24 <lamont> lots of meditation and manual testing

07:24 <awang> fun fun fun

07:25 <awang> Guess a really dirty way would be to compare the current calculations against those retrieved directly from Vessel and see if they're "close enough"

07:28 <lamont> yep

08:42 <blowfish> awang: what about engine database?

08:42 <Qboid> blowfish: awang left a message for you in #RO [14.11.2017 13:55:49]: "Did you take out the MM errors detected functionality? MM built from dev is loading from cache, even though I know my RO install still has the MM errors"

08:42 <blowfish> awang: I didn't take anything out

10:00 <awang> !tell blowfish The SolverEngines EngineDatabase file has a typo in its name

10:00 <Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.

10:00 <awang> !tell blowfish https://github.com/KSP-RO/SolverEngines/blob/4953e9d60c6d3be10ee9df0c5987379d8ce883be/SolverEngines/EngineFitting/EngineDatabase.cs#L36

10:00 <Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.

10:00 <awang> !tell blowfish Guess I'm messing something up with MM then. I'll see if I can figure out what...

10:00 <Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.

12:36 <awang> Gah

12:36 <awang> Any ideas why Debug.Log wouldn't output anything?

16:36 <awang> Is there a way to programmatically get the cost of a tooled proc part?

16:36 <awang> Or get the default cost of a part?