<Bornholio> testing testing testing
<soundnfury> toasting
<awang> !wpn -add:wpn toast
<Qboid> awang: Weapon added!
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<Bornholio> pap is there currently any TL tech tree Battery changes?
<Pap> I want to say they get lighter through the tree. Or denser.
<Pap> I can't remember for sure though
<Bornholio> okay i'll root around
<Bornholio> holy cow KSP finnaly had a successful cache after two staight month of MM tossing it
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<schnobs> Hmmm. Facility upgrade not visible, is that a thing?
<schnobs> I supposedly have a lvl2 launchpad, but still see the lvl1 sandbox.
<SpecimenSpiff> the first several upgrades all use the same art
<SpecimenSpiff> there are more levels than visuals
<schnobs> Oh, didn't know that.
<schnobs> Oh, and just for the hell of it, here's a rad idea: could the "stock" able, delta, agena,... parts be renamed and retooled to the nearest 100mm?
<schnobs> For those who want accurate replicas, there's several part packs to chose from.
<awang> schnobs: IIRC there's 7 pad levels
<Starwaster> We just lost one of our cats :(
<SpecimenSpiff> Im sorry
<ProjectThoth> Starwaster: :(
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<Starwaster> bobcat fever (Cytauxzoonosis) - transmitted by ticks. This little guy lived most of his life outdoors as a feral cat though there was a human who fed him and his family his whole life so he knew humans
<ProjectThoth> Poor baby.
<Starwaster> 90-95% fatality rate but apparently treatment options have been improving. Unfortunately we didn't find out what was wrong until too late
<ProjectThoth> I lost my first cat to a heart condition. Guy had 12 great years with us, though.
<ProjectThoth> Miss that loveable oaf sometimes.
<ProjectThoth> Starwaster: That's the thing, really... the time that you had with him, and he with you, is valuable in its own right. If you had another day, you'd be in want of a week; another week, in want of a month; another month, in want of a year There never really is enough time, nor is there the right time for anything to happen.
<ProjectThoth> And that's okay. Life of all kinds is a miracle in its own right. That we get to share it with our friends, family, and pets is nothing shy of amazing.
<Starwaster> it's true, there's never enough time or enough treats handed out or pictures taken
<Starwaster> he was the least feral of all the three. He walked in on his own and I was petting him within a day. I wonder if he stuck close to the house and came in because he knew he wasn't well...
<ProjectThoth> They know, trust me.
<Starwaster> his mother is the most feral though she's coming along. Tolerates some touching
<ProjectThoth> My first cat was born feral. Absolute sweetheart.
<Starwaster> funny story: I tried for a couple of weeks to trap Smokey's sister but she wouldn't go in the trap. So I rigged the porch as a giant trap with a string and stick to prop the screen door open
<ProjectThoth> Wait, he was named Smokey, too?
<ProjectThoth> That's what my cat's name was.
<Starwaster> she still didn't want to come in so I put Smokey on the porch as bait and she came in :)
<ProjectThoth> Sweetest little gray tabby you ever did meet. Liked rolling in the dirt a lot, so come summertime we'd have to break out the paper towels. That cat turned *brown*, let me tell you.
<Starwaster> she was so freaked when we got her inside the house and Smokey ran over to her to reassure her
<Starwaster> yeah some cats like the dirt
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<ProjectThoth> Never a bad time to ring up family members you haven't seen in a while who are getting up there in years, I should say, on that note.
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<NathanKell> o/
<Qboid> NathanKell: Mike` left a message for you in #RO [12.02.2018 22:08:04]: "I added the tag to the 625mBonny, but i cannot remove the "Tag" part because that belongs to a formula cell which is locked, so you or pap would have to do that, i guess. Also, pap says to edit the sheet and rebuild, not just commit to the repo. :D"
<Qboid> NathanKell: Probus left a message for you in #RO [13.02.2018 13:57:07]: "RSS is not fully compatible with Kopernicus -5. Have to use the -3 for the oceans to work correctly."
<NathanKell> !tell Mike* do you not have full access then? I'm confused.
<Qboid> NathanKell: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<NathanKell> !tell Probus um...that's not good.
<Qboid> NathanKell: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<Probus> NathanKell, the water disappears or if you have scatterer installed, the water is visually there, but is not physically there.
<Qboid> Probus: NathanKell left a message for you in #RO [14.02.2018 05:55:52]: "um...that's not good."
<NathanKell> Ok. We'll have to find out what changed...
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<schnobs> Yeah, that water thing gave me quite a fright when the chutes just wouldn't deploy. Impact never happened, though, chutes finally popped out and I landed safely at the bottom of the sea.
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<Probus> taniwha?
<taniwha> yeah?
<Probus> Do you have a compiled version of EarlyBird?
<taniwha> yeah
<taniwha> 1.3.1?
<Probus> Yessir
<taniwha> one moment
<Probus> Thanks
<Maxsimal> !tell soundnfury Any updates on where the RIS game is at? Are we waiting for RP-1 to be ckan-able for 1.3.1?
<Qboid> Maxsimal: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<soundnfury> that and waiting for some outstanding bugs to be fixed, I think
<Qboid> soundnfury: Maxsimal left a message for you in #RO [14.02.2018 10:39:14]: "Any updates on where the RIS game is at? Are we waiting for RP-1 to be ckan-able for 1.3.1?"
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<Maxsimal> Cool.
<Probus> Does Kerbal Konstructs work with RO 1.3.1? I was wanting to load the Kennedy Space Center.
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<awang> Probus: I have KK installed, but haven't actually done anything with it yet
<awang> So it loads, at least?
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<Mike`> !tell NathanKell* no, p'a'p locked the formulas i think. Which might not be the worst idea seeing as they should hardly change and those giant sheets are a bit scary in general. :)
<Qboid> Mike`: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Qboid> Mike`: NathanKell left a message for you in #RO [14.02.2018 05:55:46]: "do you not have full access then? I'm confused."
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<Slaintemaith> Has anyone run a FASA-based lunar mission lately? Doesn't have to be lunar, technically, just involve the CM attached to the LM.
<Slaintemaith> The issue is trying to hold attitude while doing a burn of any significant amount of time--say, circularization.
<Slaintemaith> RCS doesn't hold attitude.
<Slaintemaith> And MechJeb's Smart A.S.S. doesn't seem to want to use the gimbal of the CM's engine to keep it held.
<Slaintemaith> So eventually it careens out of control.
<schnobs> describe what happens. Are you going in circles?
<Slaintemaith> Anyone? Anyone at all have these symptoms?
<Slaintemaith> It oscillates.
<Slaintemaith> Starts to correct left, then eventually over-corrects.
<schnobs> slow and in a wide arc?
<Slaintemaith> And goes out of control. I suspect it'd go in circles if I'd left it long enough.
<Slaintemaith> Exactly so.
<Slaintemaith> This happens even with Attitide Adjustment's different modes.
<schnobs> You have the game running, and a craft loaded?
<Slaintemaith> Not at the moment no.
<Slaintemaith> But I could make that happen.
<schnobs> not strictly necessary... but you may want to fire it up in the meantime.
<Slaintemaith> Okay. so what's the fix?
<schnobs> Mechjeb menu, attitude adjustment. Change numbers.
<schnobs> (last time it was me who didn't have MJ running, but now I can provide precise input)
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<Slaintemaith> Groovy.
<schnobs> Don't ask me to explain it all -- MJ has a wiki page somewhere outlining it, though.
<schnobs> Settings I had success with when oversteering:
<schnobs> widen Tf range min-max: 0.01 - 0.9
<schnobs> Kd : gradually increase that, most of the time 1.5-2.5 works well enough for me.
<Slaintemaith> Hrm. Gotta get into orbit first.
<schnobs> Kp, Ki: try increasing to 4 and 6 or 4 and 8.
<Slaintemaith> I don't think I've ever seen the proper MechJeb documentation. I've seen abbreviated bits of it. Sounds like pid adjustments.
<schnobs> That's what they are.
<schnobs> lately, I had great sucess with just setting it to the KosAttitudeController. Instantly fixes the issues for most (but not all) of my craft.
<Slaintemaith> Are they storable per-craft?
<schnobs> ...
<schnobs> They used to be. Doesn't seem to work as of late.
<Slaintemaith> Meaning let's say I get the performance tweaked with the CM/LM. Will mechjeb remember that as a separate config rather than, say, the LM on its own.
<schnobs> https://github.com/MuMech/MechJeb2/issues/981 - apparently fixed in dev.
<Qboid> [#981] title: Attutde Adjustment settings not persistent | Recently I received MJ 2.7.0 via CKAN and found that I have to re-enter my attitude adjustment settings every time I re-load the vessel (revert, load game, possibly every scene change though i didn't ... | https://github.com/MuMech/MechJeb2/issues/981
<schnobs> AFAIK MJ stores it's settings based on vessel name.
<Slaintemaith> Hrm.
<Slaintemaith> I find these conflicting reports very conflicting. =)
<Slaintemaith> well. That's the other thing.
<Slaintemaith> I'm not using the 1.3.1 version of RO.
<Slaintemaith> If I'm honest, I wouldn't know where to start with tracking down all the dev versions of everything.
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<Slaintemaith> So I'm still using 1.2.2
<schnobs> Well, my solution is to live with the workaround until dev is released. Unless a problem really bugs me.
<Slaintemaith> Or is that that MJ version for 1.2.2?
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<schnobs> if you have an older realease, your settings should still be saved on a per-craft-name basis.
<Probus> As a work around Slaintemaith, you could load a fly-by-wire mod.
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<Probus> Dunno if that would work, but it might be worth a try.
<Slaintemaith> Hrm.
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<Slaintemaith> I would have never thought to do that. Is there one for the venerable 1.2.2, I wonder?
<Probus> There is one by boris-barbonis that works in 1.2.2
<Slaintemaith> Atmo Autopilot is fly-by-wire, but it does sort of suggest ...atmo. =)
<Slaintemaith> That's the one.
<Slaintemaith> I'll see how that goes.
<Probus> Yeah that's the one. That's why I said it *might* work.
<Slaintemaith> I guess I'll find out momentarily.
<Slaintemaith> Must write down my shuttle ascent settings first. That pitch program is -not- the same for a Saturn V.
<Slaintemaith> And I worked too long to loft the shuttle in to orbit to lose all that work.
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<Probus> It has a rocket mode Slaintemaith
<Slaintemaith> Right. I know that thing can do many many things I never tried. =)