egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
<SilverFox>
scantrons yayyyyy
<Greys>
before that
<egg|zzz|egg>
(egg, this is a parenthetical statement)
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<egg|zzz|egg>
!seen acc
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg: I last saw acc on [21.03.2017 18:55:18] in #RO saying: "I'm sure it will end up as a very nice game"
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<Majiir>
I need to start maintaining a wishlist
<Majiir>
It's starting to get hard to keep track of all the shit I want that I don't feel like buying yet
<SilverFox>
notepad.exe
<Majiir>
I also need to somehow keep this separate from the list of things I wish I needed but actually don't
<Majiir>
Like it would be fun to set up a storage array and get a server rack at home
<SilverFox>
do it
<Majiir>
but that would be a nice waste of cash
<Majiir>
I'm using <1TB on my NAS currently
<SilverFox>
those are rookie numbers
<Greys>
just put things in your amazon cart
<SilverFox>
can you keep things in your cart but checkout certain items and still retain your original cart?
<SilverFox>
Majiir, would you say it's a tad inaccurate to translate "너무 좋다" as simply "I like it"?
<Greys>
in the cart there is a button under each item, move to wishlist
<Greys>
no, save for later
<Greys>
then you can either move it to a wishlist or move it back to the cart
<Majiir>
"I really like it/that" seems closer to me, but I'm no Koreachoo
<Greys>
only items currently in the cart will be checked out
<Majiir>
Greys, but that only works for very specific items
<Greys>
items on amazon, yes
<Majiir>
In many cases, things are on my wishlist that I haven't narrowed down quite yet
<SilverFox>
It's not *wrong*, but it just seems off because 너무 means very, and 좋다 means to be good, so Im thinking it'd be more accurate as "it's very good" or even "very good"
<Majiir>
like, say, a new desk and chair
<Majiir>
and these things have different priorities
<Majiir>
I think I need Jira for this
<Majiir>
I can bring wishlist items through different phases of 'development', where I identify what I want, how much I want it, research available options, identify a good buying strategy, etc
<Majiir>
and of course, prioritization of all those things
<SilverFox>
pffffft, just use the stereotypical IT ticket system
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<SilverFox>
wait, the korean word for table is just koreanization of "table"
<SilverFox>
I expect this of things they didnt have in korea, but like... tables?
<SilverFox>
Majiir, do they have a special word for those small ass tables?
<Majiir>
dunno
<SilverFox>
alright, I'll do some investingating
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<SilverFox>
How interesting, if you are speaking to in-laws, and the inlaw you're speaking to is above the inlaw you are speaking of, then you drop the honorifics associated with the person you're speaking of, even if they are higher than you
<Greys>
soldering complete, only one burn
<SilverFox>
Congrats, what did you solder?
<Greys>
three caps blew in my side monitor
<SilverFox>
nice
<Greys>
had spares for 2, scavanged the third replacement
<SilverFox>
ddoes the monitor work?
<Greys>
I just finished soldering
<SilverFox>
are the caps the right spec too?
<Greys>
that is the most insulting thing you've ever typed at me
<SilverFox>
rather, same spec
<SilverFox>
stupid story my brain just conjured: "I replaced the cap in my monitor with a polarized one, and now only half the monitor lights up"
<Greys>
cus that's how anything works
<SilverFox>
well, if it was cathode ray, and for some fuckreason half the screen was set to do shit on the negative side rather than positive side, then half the screen would go when polarized caps are put in
<Greys>
no, the whole screen would go, because polarized caps explode when you do that
<SilverFox>
they dont explode instantaneously
<SilverFox>
they warm up to it
<SilverFox>
and with a high refresh rate, the thing is alternating between positive and negative quickly enough
<SilverFox>
wait, mains is 60hz right?
<SilverFox>
WAIT, a lightbulb is a 1 pixel display
<Greys>
Majiir, can you boot up the stonometer, I think he's gon off the wagon
<SilverFox>
AM I WRONG THO?
<Greys>
for most definitions of pixel, it's contextual, but probably
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<Greys>
prepare for the worst
<Greys>
ok it started
<Greys>
previously it was continuously powercycling
<Greys>
now I just need this fucking monitor to survive another two months
<SilverFox>
what's special about two months future?
<Greys>
in two weeks I will have paid off most of my bills, two weeks after that I will definitely have paid off all of my bills, then I want to build up a couple thousand in savings, so the pay check 8 weeks from now, I can buy 3 new monitors
<SilverFox>
do you really need three new monitors tho
<Greys>
god yes
<SilverFox>
how old are your current ones>
<Greys>
the one I just fixed is 2007ish, the one that hasn't broken yet was 2009, the one that's currently broken was 2008
<SilverFox>
okay yeah aight
<SilverFox>
fair nuff
<Greys>
the currently broken one has dead CCFL tubes, it'd be 50$ to replace them, or 100$ to replace it
<SilverFox>
yeah best to replace it
<Greys>
I'd love to get 3 DC LEDs, almost anything beyond that doesn't really matter in my price bracket
<Greys>
normal LED monitors vary backlight intensity via PWM, which can be apparent; DC LEDs I guess probably still use PWM but smooth it before it goes to the LEDs, so there's much less flicker, and flicker causes eye strain
<SilverFox>
"Why is there so much incorrect english on korean signs?" "Because it's written for korean people, not english speakers"
<Greys>
so smart
<Greys>
also, it's written by korean people
<Greys>
feedback~
<Greys>
it's basically flicker
<SilverFox>
I dont know how I feel about this. Isn't it pointless to write something in another language that you dont understand if it is incorrect?
<SilverFox>
I see this on tv ads too, a famous example with me being "Venus.. or not"
<Greys>
quebec does it
<SilverFox>
quebec can fuck off
<Greys>
yes and
<Greys>
quebec pretends to know french, korea pretends to pretend to know english
<Greys>
the difference is subtle
<SilverFox>
but major
<Greys>
like the difference between a bullet through the head and a bullet through the brain
<SilverFox>
"English and french are put in this basket of... cool languages"
<SilverFox>
as a canadian I am fucking set for life
<SilverFox>
because unlike korea, here we are taught how to sound french whilst learning it, at least all my language teachers have done this, even my german teacher did as well
<SilverFox>
so we just need to *sound* french
<Greys>
~yt prisoncusle
<Greys>
bott
<Greys>
why have you fail
<SilverFox>
wae indeed
<SilverFox>
~c 1
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 1.0
<SilverFox>
the fuck is your problem yo
<SilverFox>
i'll fucking beat you again you little shit
<kmath>
YouTube - Through the Fire and Flames: Plastic toy Sax
<SilverFox>
I prefer Flumpet
<SilverFox>
this kid needs to either stop smoking a pack a day or learn circualr breathing
<SilverFox>
;wa is that guy who did the charleston on Fresh Prince still alive?
<kmath>
SilverFox: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<G-Munster>
;wa fresh prince of belaire characters
<kmath>
G-Munster: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<SilverFox>
belaire is wrang
<SilverFox>
;wa fresh prince of bel air
<G-Munster>
I think his name was actually charleston
<kmath>
SilverFox: The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (television series): title->The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, network->NBC, air dates->September 10, 1990 to May 20, 1996, episode running time->30 minutes, seasons->6, episodes- -- this crap is too long.
<SilverFox>
I dont think it was
<SilverFox>
I think it was Alberto something something
<SilverFox>
or it had an f in it too
<SilverFox>
Alfonso?
<SilverFox>
;wa is Alfonso dead?
<G-Munster>
carlton
<kmath>
SilverFox: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<G-Munster>
;wa fresh prince carlton
<kmath>
G-Munster: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<G-Munster>
;wa how many canadian geese
<kmath>
G-Munster: Canada->consumption->poultry: 1.29 million metric tons per year (world rank: 19th) (2013 estimate)
<SilverFox>
you dont eat geese
<SilverFox>
theyrer full of shit
<G-Munster>
and vinegar
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
shit takes up all the room
<G-Munster>
it's shit vinegar
<G-Munster>
shit is undilutable
<G-Munster>
you mix shit and water, now you have more shit
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: acetic acid: formula | CH_3CO_2H
<SilverFox>
CH3 CO2 H
<SilverFox>
ima take a wild guess and say that's a methyl on a carbonyl with hydroxyl group
<SilverFox>
so with that being said, it's a somewhat polar substance
<SilverFox>
however it has that methyl group which is nonpolar
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<SilverFox>
ayyy I was right
<SilverFox>
so acetic acid is also acidic, and has polar sections
<SilverFox>
although orienting that would be meh, that OH can spin all it wants, and because of that it doesn't get polarized to one side like water does
<SilverFox>
now what's the composition of goose shit
<G-Munster>
you're thinking about this wrong
<G-Munster>
anything you mix with shit, becomes shit itself
<G-Munster>
therefore no volume of additional material will reduce the percentage of shit, 100%
<SilverFox>
well, there are poo particles everywhere
<SilverFox>
therefore everything in life is shit, nothing matters kys
<G-Munster>
sounds about right
<SilverFox>
do you have internet again?
<G-Munster>
nope, two weeks
<SilverFox>
shiiit
<SilverFox>
you should listen to lectures Alan Watts gives
<SilverFox>
great shit
<G-Munster>
who
<G-Munster>
'm very tired
<G-Munster>
not sleepy, exhausted
<SilverFox>
he's a theologist from the 50's and 60's, and his voice is amazing for just listening to
<SilverFox>
it's not boring, it's not exciting, but it's not dull, but it's intriguing
<SilverFox>
and he just talks philosphy
<G-Munster>
theologist as in a studier of theology or a religious person
<SilverFox>
studier
<SilverFox>
he's travelled the world and studied plenty of eastern religions and theologies and shit
<SilverFox>
he was regarded as really high up there in respectible people of the field
<SilverFox>
at least from the stories he's told from all the people calling him for lectures, meetings, seminars, etc
<G-Munster>
meh
<SilverFox>
I've been sleeping better since I started listening to him
<G-Munster>
there's a podcast for that
<G-Munster>
I forget the name
<G-Munster>
~g intentionally boring podcast for sleep
<G-Munster>
so what do you think about my clandestine colo at mcdonalds idea
<SilverFox>
I cant sleep to things that are about sleep
<SilverFox>
were you serious about that?
<G-Munster>
it's not about sleep, it's for sleep
<SilverFox>
because it sounds pretty stupid to me. I have no idea what it's trying to accomplish. You're planting a thing in a public place for a week as if cleaning staff wont find it
<SilverFox>
and you need to power this "pi device" for a week as well, that's a loooong time for a pi to live off a battery
<SilverFox>
especially a small one that's supposed to be super flat
<SilverFox>
and even if it was doable on a technical side, what was the mission for the thing?
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<G-Munster>
there are very large batteryes
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<G-Munster>
and by super flat I mean like, at most an inch tall, so any shields would need to be attached via header cables
<G-Munster>
half an inch would be better, but because 18650s are cheap, whatever housing would barely fit them laying down would be ideal
<G-Munster>
this thing could be a 1 foot by 1 foot plate, it just needs to be flat
<SilverFox>
again, what is the purpose or mission here?
<G-Munster>
to be a small server, to do like BNC or something
<G-Munster>
link it up with DDNS and you're golden
<SilverFox>
wait lol, are you planning that because you have no internet and you're going to steal mcdonalds internet in the meantime?
<G-Munster>
basically
<SilverFox>
fuckin
<SilverFox>
lul
<G-Munster>
I don't want to do that at work even though the internet is fiiiiiine, because colo is our business, so I would be stealing our product
<G-Munster>
I got a big cup of coffee
<SilverFox>
are you at work now or no?
<G-Munster>
yes
<G-Munster>
at work I have 150mb/s symmetric
<SilverFox>
aight cool, is that why you've been up at weird times?
<G-Munster>
over wifi
<G-Munster>
I'm the night shift
<G-Munster>
this is the future now
<SilverFox>
fucking rip
<SilverFox>
"The way of the cross is interpreted by many people as a life of chronic frustration"
<G-Munster>
is good job, much future, best pay I've ever seen, good people
<SilverFox>
this guy is amazing
<SilverFox>
glad to hear you're at a place you can enjoy
<G-Munster>
my job for the most part is to be present for 8 hours (later 12 hours) a day, and do a check list every few hours
<SilverFox>
however, I will ask of you that you disconnect from IRC when travelling between places. The join/leaves get pretty numerous and you dont need to be on IRC on mobile all the time
<G-Munster>
hence why I'm looking into Swift
<G-Munster>
too complicated
<G-Munster>
I might set up a linode tonight or over the weekend
<SilverFox>
linode for 5$
<G-Munster>
+20$ free with coupon code
<SilverFox>
fuck ye
<G-Munster>
but you have to give them money to open an account at all
<SilverFox>
really?
<G-Munster>
I think it's minimum 2$
<G-Munster>
minimum 5$
<SilverFox>
"reality is a measure of pain"
<G-Munster>
that's bullshit
<G-Munster>
it's bearly even language, but not to a degree that bears meaning
<G-Munster>
it's a magic eye image that you look at, cross your eyes, and your eye decides it sees a scooner
<G-Munster>
you dumb bastard
<SilverFox>
"nothing can be more egotistical than true repentance"
<G-Munster>
this guy produces almost as many useless sentences as you do
<SilverFox>
sort of, but he provides context and shit I purposely don't
<SilverFox>
"why is incest taboo?"
<SilverFox>
"IT'S GETTING KINDA CLOSE TO HOME"
<SilverFox>
HA
<G-Munster>
incest is taboo because of inheritance law
<SilverFox>
this guys says incest is taboo because it's a biological analogue of sorts to finding out who you are, as is sex, and that is the greatest taboo; finding out who you are.
<G-Munster>
no joke, same reason marriage is common in unconnected cultures
<SilverFox>
this guy at least 12 weed
<G-Munster>
and why having children out of wedlock is culturally and legally problematic
<SilverFox>
I blame christianity for wedlock babies in the west
<G-Munster>
it predates christianity
<teabot>
Christianitea.
<G-Munster>
it predates islam
<G-Munster>
it miiiight predate judaism
<G-Munster>
but, in the west, it does stem from the indus valley region where proper civilization first started up
<G-Munster>
(which is where all three of the above also come from)
<G-Munster>
look at it this way, you own a farm, you have five kids, you die, who gets the farm
<SilverFox>
oldest child
<SilverFox>
or whomever you have written in your will
<G-Munster>
oldest child died
<SilverFox>
next oldest
<SilverFox>
repeat until all children die
<SilverFox>
then find next of kin
<SilverFox>
also assuming wife died too
<G-Munster>
the next oldest of your offspring was with a woman who is not your wife, and was not raised in your household
<G-Munster>
this is at a time when wives were property so she doesn't matter
<SilverFox>
oh right, we've gotta be sexist about it
<G-Munster>
so your bastard son is now a problem, because if he gets the farm, he will probably ruin it
<SilverFox>
bastard son dies
<SilverFox>
who's next
<G-Munster>
and that sounds like a personal issue until you consider that the property, the farm, the equipment, the animals, and most importantly the economic output of the farm, all have monetary value, and the society you exist in values their existance
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<G-Munster>
if your farm goes under, that's bad for society
<SilverFox>
right
<G-Munster>
so your bastard son, is society's problem
<G-Munster>
easy solution, bastards can't inherit
<G-Munster>
implication, marriage is super important
<teabot>
Implicatean.
<SilverFox>
the assumed incompetence is stupid tho
<G-Munster>
it might be now, but back then it's definitely not
<G-Munster>
back then you would have spent your child's entire life training them to do your job at least as well as you have done
<SilverFox>
right which is why it's stupid even back then
<SilverFox>
because you've trained this child
<SilverFox>
you can physically see the effects
<G-Munster>
the bastard son is not part of your household
<G-Munster>
you have not trained them
<SilverFox>
well wtf get out
<Majiir>
Fox is a bastard?
<SilverFox>
people not of the household dont get the land until family goes through it and declines it
<G-Munster>
we're discussing why incest is taboo
<SilverFox>
naww
<SilverFox>
we're discussing a side thing
<Majiir>
because it makes wincest that much more fun
<SilverFox>
ayyylmao
<G-Munster>
so that's the situation with bastard children, now imagine you have a son and a daughter and a son; then you die, your son inherits, fucks your daughter, they have a son, your first born dies; who gets the farm
<SilverFox>
this is why wills exist
<SilverFox>
to avoid these problems
<Majiir>
I should make a will
<G-Munster>
the son of the current owner, or the next valid choice at the same level as the one who died
<G-Munster>
wills are fairly modern
<SilverFox>
Greys, same level
<G-Munster>
why
<SilverFox>
because next of kin
<Majiir>
Okay but
<G-Munster>
that's your next of kin, not your son
<Majiir>
What if instead, you had son, daughter A and daughter B
<G-Munster>
you've been dead
<Majiir>
son and daughter A have a kid
<Majiir>
who in turn has a kid with daughter B
<Majiir>
now you don't have "same levels"
<SilverFox>
and that kid kocks up B?
<G-Munster>
Majiir: at that point you go read the old porn manga Super Taboo
<SilverFox>
that sounds pretty intense
<G-Munster>
wherein a brother moves home from overseas following the death of his mother, and knocks up both of his sisters, who then conspire to in the future make their children procreate also
<SilverFox>
you can already feel the cleft palatte and club foot
<G-Munster>
the art is pretty meh, but it's been more then a decade since I read it
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<G-Munster>
anyway, if you do a small amount of biased research, you can quickly find that a large amount of cultural opinion prior to the industrial age was driven by land ownership
<G-Munster>
marriage, because land ownership
<G-Munster>
no incest, because land ownership
<G-Munster>
murder is bad, because land ownership
<SilverFox>
unless royal families
<G-Munster>
there's always a scale at which things fall apart
<G-Munster>
just look at the virgo supercluster
<G-Munster>
or don't, because I don't remember what's cool about it
<SilverFox>
nice
<G-Munster>
btw, macOS is pretty neat
<G-Munster>
they've managed to make the touch pad so feature rich that it's honestly preferable to a mouse
<SilverFox>
sttill cant use it to play league
<G-Munster>
til, linode manually authorizes every account
<G-Munster>
sure you can, OSX is super great at VMs
<SilverFox>
i meant the touchpad
<Majiir>
"super great at VMs" might be exaggerating
<Majiir>
It has BSD jails at best
<G-Munster>
well, a macbook air older than the one I'm using, can run 5+ desktop VMs concurrently with insignificant impact on performance or capacity
<G-Munster>
including windows 7 and 10
<Majiir>
Yeah, virtualization tech has gotten good across the board, mainly in CPU support
<Majiir>
I can virtualize on my Surface really well -- but Hyper-V (what I use on my Surface) is still garbage compared to VMware
<G-Munster>
is hyper-v what they renamed the virtualism software in 8.etc?
<Majiir>
Hyper-V is an odd duck in the virtualization world
<Majiir>
It comes with Windows (you just have to turn it on) which is great for getting up and running without downloading anything but the ISO you want to install
<G-Munster>
I need to build a better phone stand
<G-Munster>
which means I need heavier duty cardboard
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<Majiir>
It also lives as some kind of hybrid between Type 1 and Type 2 hypervisors
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<G-Munster>
I barely know what a hypervisor is
<Majiir>
IMO it's closer to a Type 2 because stuff like passthrough simply isn't as doable
<Majiir>
It's a thing that runs VMs
<G-Munster>
and by barely I mean don't ask me to explain it
<G-Munster>
speaking of, I'm waiting on linode to authorize my account right now....
<Majiir>
If the thing that runs VMs is a program you run or is kind of built into your operating system, that means it's Type 2. If the operating system is purpose-built to run VMs and *only* runs VMs, it's a Type 1.
<G-Munster>
I sure hope they have an overnight staff
<SilverFox>
greys, i heard it takes like, 1-2 days
<G-Munster>
so freeNAS is a type1, because it's a VM platform and even the features it offers are largely accomplished via small VMs
<G-Munster>
SilverFox: it said a few minutes....
<G-Munster>
"Your account is currently being reviewed.
<G-Munster>
You'll recieve an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!"
<SilverFox>
this was a while ago anyways
<G-Munster>
look man, if they get me activated before like, 3, I can probably have a BNC up before I go home
<Majiir>
Nah, FreeNAS is Type 2
<SilverFox>
thatd be great
<G-Munster>
really?
<Majiir>
FreeNAS makes a lot of claims about being a VM platform, but it's not
<G-Munster>
ok
<Majiir>
The mechanism by which it does VMs puts it much closer to Type 2
<G-Munster>
I've never touched it so I can only go by vague shit I've seen
<Majiir>
It's just BSD running with jails
<Majiir>
FreeNAS *does* try to market itself as a hypervisor
<Majiir>
which is deceptive
<G-Munster>
is there a type 0 where VMs are handled mostly by the hardware supervised by software?
<Majiir>
You won't get nearly the functionality from FreeNAS as you would from VMware or Hyper-V running on baremetal
<Majiir>
G-Munster, that's actually the case for both T1 and T2
<Majiir>
Almost all virtualization has hardware support
<Majiir>
That's what lets VMs run at nearly the same performance as running on bare metal
<Majiir>
The CPU instructions are passed directly down to the actual CPU
<G-Munster>
right but not hardware support, hardware almost everything and then software mostly as a UI
<G-Munster>
software support
<Majiir>
I don't get what you're saying
<G-Munster>
like if VMware was on the motherboard or in the CPU, firmcoded, and then the software just lets you touch it
<Majiir>
That's *kiiiiiiind* of what the hardware acceleration is like
<Majiir>
it's just that the balance between what's-in-hardware and what's-in-software is skewed toward software
<Majiir>
(because, well, if you want to do complex things, you need software)
<Majiir>
When your VMs are executing, the vast majority of that stuff is going on in hardware
<Majiir>
There's a little bit of hypervisor software running that coordinates resources for the VMs, tells the CPU when to stop executing for one VM and start executing for another, etc
<G-Munster>
seems like the firmware should be able to handle that, with software pre-viding quota and constraint details
<G-Munster>
I can't imagine there's much variance in the terms of restricting a VM to less than system capacity
<G-Munster>
is AvE building elastic muscle systems for a reason, or for shitts and dicks
<Majiir>
Hypervisors have to do a bit more than just managing resource allocations
<Majiir>
Think of it this way: the hypervisor *is* the firmware
<G-Munster>
mmkay
<G-Munster>
so couldn't you have a platform feature where the hypervisor actually is firmware?
<Majiir>
You could, but this would come at the cost of agility in adding new features
<Majiir>
I also don't think you'd gain anything unless you could integrate this into the CPU itself
<G-Munster>
I'm sure that could be resolved with sufficient redundency
<Majiir>
and that kind of integration exists.... it's what the virtualization instructions are all about
<Majiir>
that...what? no
<Majiir>
You can't increase agility with redundancy
<Majiir>
Software is easier to develop than hardware
<G-Munster>
sure you can, have two instances of the hypervisor that can pass the burden back and forth, then when you want to change the code, you take the one that's not loaded, replace it's firmware, have them trade, and replace the firmware in the other one
<Majiir>
I'm talking about development here
<Majiir>
If a company designed a virtualization "chip", that's going to make it waaaaay harder for them to compete in the future
<Majiir>
and unless that "chip" is the CPU itself, they're not going to see much performance gain if any
<G-Munster>
I'm gonna have to do the walk in about ten minutes, just so it doesn't look like I'm dodging
<G-Munster>
chips can be reprogrammed; what's the tradeoff vs a hardwired chip
<G-Munster>
chips can be reprogrammable&*
<G-Munster>
-&
<Majiir>
FPGAs don't have nearly the performance or efficiency of fabricated chips
<Majiir>
and CPUs are still way easier to program than FPGAs
<Majiir>
This isn't a question of whether you *could* do something, but more whether anyone *should*
<Majiir>
Hypervisor enhancements are going directly into the CPU, and that makes sense since there's a lot of potential gain to be had there. You're close to the memory controller, close to the CPU, etc
<Majiir>
Sticking a chip next to it? Not gonna do much when you could just have code running in the CPU
<G-Munster>
there isn't any middleground between FPGA and CPU archetecture, for the needs of this feature set; is there
<G-Munster>
all of the parts that must be FPGA are the parts that would suffer the most
<Majiir>
I can't imagine any kind of hardware addition being cost-effective beyond enhancing existing components
<G-Munster>
and on-chip software updates have proven to be too problematic for large scale use, even if it would do a lot for sales-security of the product
<Majiir>
It seems like a solution looking for a problem
<Majiir>
I'd ask: what is it about virtualization today that needs to be done closer to the hardware?
<G-Munster>
just seems like if you could integrate the entire hypervisor system into something that functions below any operating system would... something something
<Majiir>
That's what a Type 1 hypervisor does
<Majiir>
There isn't an operating system like Windows or Linux running
<Majiir>
The hypervisor *is* the operating system, and it's a very lightweight, low-level system designed to do virtualization very efficiently
<G-Munster>
also, as you know, I'm not a smart person in the context of people that write hypervisors and shit; so there is some value in exploring the why didn't they space as a way to find their decision making; kinda like running into the darkness to find the wall
<Majiir>
I am in no way disputing the value of this discussion
<G-Munster>
if you did hardcode a chip to contain a fixed hypervisor; do you think it could be more lightweight or have greater performance than software, in an ideal implimentation
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<Majiir>
Pushing functionality down into hardware will *always* make things faster, even just a little, for that particular task
<G-Magic>
for some reason I wasn't on the wifi
<Majiir>
The problem is that you negatively impact everything else
<Majiir>
Every function you put into hardware takes up chip area and power and adds complexity to the manufacturing process
<G-Magic>
right, but ignoring that negative, because we've explored it's boundaries pretty well; can you make any kind of ballpark about how much gain there might be
<Majiir>
or if it's a separate chip, motherboard real estate and costs and ... Hardware doesn't scale with regards to complexity as well as software
<G-Magic>
I expect it would be very small because of how optimized the software implimentations already are
<Majiir>
I would say small, compared to other kinds of things that could become hardware-ized
<Majiir>
It's not so much that
<Majiir>
It's more that the tasks involved aren't things that benefit from hardware
<Majiir>
Like maintaining a queue of VMs and figuring out how much time to assign to each one
<Majiir>
That's not something you need hardware to do fast
<Majiir>
We've had decades of building operating systems to understand how to make that really fast in a CPU
<G-Magic>
I aughta walk
<Majiir>
There's not much parallelism you need for a hypervisor, which is the main advantage of hardware
<Majiir>
I oughta sleep
<G-Magic>
enjoy
<G-Magic>
btw my linode just activated
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<G-Magic>
Centos installed and updating, after some password shenanigans
<GlsFrg|phone>
"To be able to import DXF-Files you have to manually install several files. Why this? These libraries are published with another license than FreeCAD, so the developers of FreeCAD would not have them being bundled with the FreeCAD-Application. "
<GlsFrg|phone>
ya know there is one thing I hate about open source
<GlsFrg|phone>
"Note: The files in this repository are not needed anymore when using the built-in DXF importer (default since FreeCAD 0.16). They are still needed if you wish to use the legacy python importer (settable in Edit-> Preferences -> Import/Export -> DXF)"
<GlsFrg|phone>
I'm on .16, the software itself is telling me to download these files, and that option doesn't exist
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<G-Mobile>
Mmkay
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<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: fuck you up the kidney
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<SilverFox>
wat
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<G-Mobile>
I'm not real sure what to do with a server beyond this
<TheKosmonaut>
GlsFrg|phone see that Hibiya-line got a new train?
<Greys>
SilverFox, you're gonna want to take a look at darksy.net
<Greys>
darksky.net
<Greys>
this keyboard has got to go
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<SilverFox>
greys, why
<SilverFox>
alo QLEDs are a thing
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<SilverFox>
Greys, found another design flaw in the switch
<SilverFox>
the joycon go onto a sliding rail
<SilverFox>
when you hold the console, you are holding it via those controllers, and that's putting an angle to the joycons in the tracks
<SilverFox>
so over time it will bend and mishape from the weight of the switch and other joycon
<SilverFox>
meaning it'll get wiggly
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<StatutoryApe>
convert 70000 gbp to usd
<StatutoryApe>
;convert 70000 gbp to usd
<StatutoryApe>
wtf is the syntax again?
<StatutoryApe>
.wa 70000 gbp to usd
<StatutoryApe>
;wa 70000 gbp to usd
<kmath>
StatutoryApe: convert £70000 (British pounds) to US dollars: $87850 (US dollars)
<SilverFox>
is a country's worth in currency a reflection of how their economy is doing?
<Glass|phone>
it's a measure of what it would cost to buy a whole fucking country
<SilverFox>
how much would it cost to buy a whole fucking country
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<SilverFox>
does the technology/whatever exist where the cores of the CPU can access two sticks of ram individually, rather than having to wait until one if done fetching from ram?
<VITAS>
maybe dual channel ram?
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<SilverFox>
so that way a core of the CPU isnt sitting there waiting for the other core to fetch from ram
<SilverFox>
!tell Majiir can you think of any examples of really good irc bot projects, like not implementing irc functionality into the language, but doing good shit with the bot?
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Djohaal>
(its a transfer speed equalization burn. Saw my station approaching at very fast speed. Mechjeb did me a frighten )
<SilverFox>
you got borked?
<Djohaal>
my station almost went bork. In a non dog way
<teabot>
Stateaon.
<Djohaal>
yeah teabot, stateaon
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<SilverFox>
Greys, the LTT video you wantedm e to see was the wall of headphones?
<SilverFox>
darklight, are you alive?
<SilverFox>
im trying to install ubuntu and it keeps giving me shit that the root partition im making starts at some bullshit offset and that it'll lead to shit perf so it wont let me install to that partition, and nothing I do seems to help it
<SilverFox>
it says it starts at an offset of 3584bytes, but I can't seem to offset this shit by that amount
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<Sigma88>
Sarbian: your quote on the "what did you do today" was it about the nyan cat?
<Sigma88>
or is there more?
<Sarbian>
it is
<Sigma88>
ok
<Sigma88>
so people still get mad about that one? :D
<Sarbian>
It seems so
<Sarbian>
Cat & Rainbows are so disruptive
<Sigma88>
I could never get annoyed by a cute pussy
<Sigma88>
I still think adding 8bit music to it would be a great idea