egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
<SilverFox>
cool 4 hours left
<SilverFox>
Majiir, what's new?
<SilverFox>
any stories from work in the past year you were gone?
<Majiir>
probably
<SilverFox>
also, opinion, bibimbap isn't bibimbap without the egg
<SilverFox>
agree or disagree?
<Majiir>
I have no strong feelings
<SilverFox>
fair enoug
<SilverFox>
so what kind of stupid shit have you been dealing with at work?
<kmath>
YouTube - Where has Luke been? - Call for Coders 2017
<Greys>
it's easy to laugh at people, but it'd be nice if they were successful enough, like oculus was
<Greys>
btw Majiir, I think you technically meet their qualifications with the exception of wanting the job
<SilverFox>
Let us pay our respects to my wireless keyboard, which died last night
<SilverFox>
F
<Greys>
I'd rather not
<Majiir>
Greys, sure, although the requirements here are pretty vague
<SilverFox>
mid2016-Q2 2017
<Majiir>
It's basically "be a competent senior-level Node engineer"
<Majiir>
and the pitch isn't great
<Majiir>
It's a startup with a few dudes?
<Majiir>
Do you have funding?
<Majiir>
It's also not like "hey here's a SUPER AWESOME ROLE"
<Majiir>
It's.... a senior Node engineer role
<SilverFox>
Greys, could they pay the jiir-rate tho?
<Majiir>
where you "coordinate" with remote "team members"
<Majiir>
There's nothing here about being a technical lead or a researcher
<Majiir>
There's nothing here about the team being particularly interesting except that their call is for a "STRONG" Node developer
<Majiir>
This is the kind of job posting that gets you armies of incompetent wannabes and very few engineers who actually fit the bill, because those aren't interested
<Majiir>
Their product is probably something I'd really enjoy working on
<Majiir>
It pushes a lot of the right buttons
<Greys>
it's a startup project at an established and well funded advertising firm
<SilverFox>
the Jiir requires 7-20M per contract
<Greys>
these guys once built a tower with 80ish cores
<Greys>
they got cash money, just not any idea what they're doing
<Majiir>
That's like five AyyMDs
<Majiir>
Greys, they sound like they want a senior engineer
<Majiir>
I'd be more interested in being their chief architect
<kmath>
YouTube - 36 Cores, 72 Threads, and Two Titan Xs - Our New INSANE Rendering Machine Part 3
<Majiir>
If they're not enthusiastic about finding that person, it's not likely to work out, because they'll be looking at me as a great senior engineer, not as a 'maybe' chief architect
<Majiir>
Fox, what, no
<SilverFox>
Im sure I've heard of that position in my database class before
<Majiir>
Sure, but "database architects" are whatever
<SilverFox>
whats that company that does database person certificates?
<Greys>
architects design thing
<Greys>
s
<SilverFox>
costco?
<Greys>
all of the companies that own database technologies
<Majiir>
Software architect is more like non-management, high-level hands-on technical leadership
<Greys>
I'm sure oracle has loads
<Greys>
certificationarianism is a very costly and largely pointless hobby
<SilverFox>
yeah I figured as soon as I heard it
<Majiir>
Certificates can be relevant for network engineers
<Majiir>
They're completely worthless for software
<SilverFox>
sounded very bullshit and money oriented
<Majiir>
They have a strong negative value
<SilverFox>
very low value for the shit you get
<Majiir>
Like if I see a resume and someone's got a programming certificate on there, it raises eyebrows
<SilverFox>
high cost, low value
<Majiir>
Fox, no, *negative*
<Greys>
certain subsets of highly technical certifications have value, especially in "niche" fields like networking
<Majiir>
Like not having the cert is an improvement over having it
<SilverFox>
yeah, low value, high cost
<Greys>
the majority of certificates are basic competency markers over broad fields
<SilverFox>
lets think of some certs that are actually useful to have
<SilverFox>
CPR and First Aid
<Greys>
CCNA
<Majiir>
Networking certs are valuable because networking isn't about creation or talent. It's about knowing the CLI of whatever flavor of network vendor you want to work with.
<Greys>
I would expect that database stuff is worthwhile, but I don't really know databases anymore
<Majiir>
Only if you're at a shitty company doing shitty database things
<Greys>
time to go to work
<SilverFox>
tbh my database class was useful
<Greys>
brb
<SilverFox>
learned some great shit that I immediately forgot afterwards
<SilverFox>
and then relearned, and then forgot again, within the span of a semester
<Majiir>
Once summer hits, my next project is probably the one that completely eliminates our whole DBA group
<SilverFox>
YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK, GOODBYE
<SilverFox>
holy shit, you need to do this Survivor style and extinguish torches and shit
<Majiir>
Currently the weakest link is some other poor sod who decided to try and blame my DM for not doing his job for him
<SilverFox>
call the show Refactor
<SilverFox>
make it into a show
<SilverFox>
one cool dude, 30 company departments
<SilverFox>
one mission: Git gud
<Majiir>
They already have something like that
<SilverFox>
naw, for your company
<Majiir>
Sounds dull
<SilverFox>
with you as the cool dude
<SilverFox>
season 2 is you getting hired at a new company to do it all over again
<Majiir>
What's in it for me?
<SilverFox>
lots of money and covered vacation expenses for off-season time
<Majiir>
"covered vacation expenses" wat
<SilverFox>
nigga u get vacation and it's paid
<Majiir>
I already have that
<SilverFox>
lots of it
<Majiir>
How much
<SilverFox>
basically the time you aren't filming the season
<Majiir>
Right, but the time I film the season is when I'm at work
<Majiir>
So it's exactly as much vacation as I have now
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
but after you refactor
<Majiir>
And my vacation is already paid
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<SilverFox>
you get to work at the refactored company until a new one is provided for you
<Majiir>
which reminds me, I need to get those tickets
<SilverFox>
and in that time, you can vacation
<SilverFox>
and get all the babes cause you have your own shitty show
<Majiir>
Or I could just quit
<Majiir>
and go on vacation that way
<SilverFox>
that worked well last time
<Majiir>
Yeah
<Majiir>
And I have more now
<G-Mobile>
ok, back
<SilverFox>
so do it again
<Majiir>
I don't feel like quitting yet, so idk what to do
<Majiir>
I have vacation time but that's weird
<SilverFox>
Greys, rate the following show idea: show about majiir as he refactors his company from the ground up, improving the departments over the season until end-game when the company runs smoothly and shit but people find new ways to fuck it up
<G-Mobile>
I think Refactor is already a show
<Majiir>
rekt
<SilverFox>
lul
<Majiir>
Fox, I don't want to improve departments
<Majiir>
I'm not into management
<Majiir>
DM does management shit and it sucks
<G-Mobile>
he couldn't make a show about that because his company would get pissed and sue him to jail
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<Majiir>
That too
<SilverFox>
"Sue him to jail"
<SilverFox>
lul
<G-Mobile>
it's murka, that can happen
<Majiir>
And then their system would go down and they'd have no way to fix it RIP
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<SilverFox>
that's the best part
<SilverFox>
they'd contract you from jail or some shit
<G-Mobile>
probably
<Majiir>
I wouldn't be jailed, I'd just be fired and possibly sued for damages
<Majiir>
I don't feel like getting sued
<G-Mobile>
and it would be very difficult to get another job doing that kind of work
<G-Mobile>
"In viking stories, everything worth talking about could be killed with swords"
<SilverFox>
Greys, what should my family be like in Sims?
<G-Mobile>
the power puff girls + the mayor and his assistant
<G-Mobile>
and of course professor X
<SilverFox>
alright
<G-Mobile>
then put a monkey in the house next door
<SilverFox>
idk if I can do that
<G-Mobile>
I'm sure you can buy a monkey someho
<G-Mobile>
w
<SilverFox>
im downloading sims 4, so maybe, but I wouldnt be surprised if you couldnt
<G-Mobile>
mods
<G-Mobile>
I think a recent pack added a monkey butler
<G-Mobile>
if you can't figure out this monkey, you may as well get an A+ certification
<G-Mobile>
it covers everything from the definition of WORM to how sectors align on a floppydisk, to what bits in a packet do and why windows server is cool
<SilverFox>
okay, but you have also complained about spock transformers and you haven't complained about this game soooo
<G-Mobile>
well thing is, if it's like space engineers, I'm not even interested in the video
<G-Mobile>
because physics toys are just frustration machines
<SilverFox>
watch the damn video
<SilverFox>
judge for yourself
<G-Mobile>
you have convinced me that this is just more bullshit ksp/SE/SM, it's less a waste of my time to infuriate you than to watch that video
<G-Mobile>
I'm glad soozee didn't succeed in consuming the jiir
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<G-Mobile>
don't you love it when the CEO logs in at 10:30pm, and reboots the cloud without notice?
<SilverFox>
lul nice
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<SilverFox>
the point at which you win steam is when you constantly have a variety of games constantly updating
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<G-Mobile>
protip: don't let steam be running when you don't need it to be, because it hates performance
<darklight>
"currently france has nuclear power producing >100% of france's power demand" that is because everyone else is shutting them down after the call to return to coal https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CeHVwcOkmRo :P
<kmath>
YouTube - Milwaukee Race Riot: WHITES HUNTED FOR BEATDOWNS! "They White, get they ass!" "Black Power!"
<TheKosmonaut>
G-Mobile: yeah, and steam hates it when you shut it down
<TheKosmonaut>
"Oh, it's been three days since you opened me? Better download 4 patches and restart!"
<darklight>
You can turn off patches for games you don't play
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: I mean patches for steam itself
<TheKosmonaut>
When it wants to update the catalog and shit
<TheKosmonaut>
I get it, but it seems like something that can be done in the background.
<TheKosmonaut>
When it comes down to it, steam is just a shitty wrapper that is forced to turd up your computer.
<darklight>
Ah
<darklight>
To be fair, I like the way steam works, mostly
<darklight>
Rephrased, I have had no issues with steam :P
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<GlassYuri>
damn, it's just 22:15, feels like 3 AM
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: she turned me off after saying sikhs won't be allowed to wear turbans, then when asked to expand she said "we don't have that many here so we never hear from them, and that's a good thing"
<TheKosmonaut>
But at least she was equally down on all religions
<TheKosmonaut>
Jews can't wear yarmulkes and Muslims can't wear hijab
<darklight>
The clothing ban is a bit misguided yeah
<darklight>
But afaik they've already banned the hijab
<Greys>
somebody should make a hidden object game in the style of The Stanley Parable; where anything you try to do has a result, and there's no state you can move the game into that's failure
<darklight>
Greys: Failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows! :P
<darklight>
(My sisters PC decided that it didn't want to run games until I sat in front of it and it just worked)
<icefire>
reminds me of soviet russia
<icefire>
all publish signs of religion were banned
<icefire>
public*
<RandomJeb>
le pen is a russian manchurian candidate confirmed
<RandomJeb>
more like marine le vladimovich
<darklight>
Being realistic, I think she's still expected to lose, and it doesn't really matter unless you really want the EU to completely collapse
<RandomJeb>
I really want the Eu to completely collapse
<darklight>
I don't live on the continent so meh
<RandomJeb>
they're pushing in from all sides, except the atlantic at our back
<darklight>
But the higher up the power is the less responsive it is to the ground :P
<RandomJeb>
trying to squeeze their right wing empirical law down our throat
<icefire>
someone has been drinking too much of the crazy juice
<darklight>
We left our foreign power over a century ago
<RandomJeb>
the industrial workers of the world and other unions have to fight tooth and nail to retain our worker rights
<darklight>
Britian just learned that lesson :P
<darklight>
Workers rights? We are getting rid of weekend penalty pay!
<darklight>
There's no housing shortage or affordability problem, our PM has got like 7 of em :D
<RandomJeb>
sounds like a worker's right to fair recompense for their work is being taken away, rally the unions
<RandomJeb>
burn parliament
<darklight>
Yeah I'm not an ancom
<darklight>
I find them hilarious
<darklight>
"We're so disorganised, we need some form of leadership" "no everyone is equal and should have a say"
<icefire>
I remember working with an older man that used to be a member and manager of a union and he always told me to avoid them
<icefire>
union management is just like any other power structure, primary goal is more power
<darklight>
icefire: Probs because they are useless and just like the shekels?
<icefire>
their means of enforcement, strikes and such
<RandomJeb>
unions were instrumental in liberating the serfs
<darklight>
Also, on our current trajectory, I do not think it's unreasonable to have a commie/actual fascist problem in a few years :P
<icefire>
all under the guise of "its whats better for you"
<darklight>
strikes are illegal though! :P
<RandomJeb>
just punch anyone that tries to stop you until they stop trying to stop you, it'll be fine
<icefire>
I would not want to be told that I cant work by my union because sr leadership didn't get a deal they wanted with <x>
<RandomJeb>
then sign up for a union with leadership you agree more with
<icefire>
no, dont sign up.
<darklight>
I'm not part of any union either
<icefire>
there will never be a union that "works best for you" because thats not why unions exist anymore
<darklight>
I had the option at the mill, but I didn't see the value in it
<darklight>
RandomJeb: But don't you understand, if you punch a nazi in the head they will think "Oh god, what am I doing!?, I've been wrong all the time and have seen the error of my ways!"
<teabot>
Teame.
<darklight>
Tbh though, richard spencer has the same problem that those radicals have too :P
<darklight>
I don't mind some of the ideas of these people, but trump kinda crapped out with syria
<darklight>
Not really a fan of accelerationism though, so there's that for balance
<darklight>
Wait up, wrong word
<darklight>
Eh, it might be
<VITAS>
yes but you would have voted for him and i would voted for him to be locked away
<darklight>
Yeah we generally try to lock criminals away, but *shrugs*. Out of the entire US popultion their system picked those 2 :P
<darklight>
Closer to home here, I am not worried about pauline hanson because she can't talk properly and won't lead, but I would like her to piss the right type of people off :P
<xShadowx|2>
darklight: proof system is corrupt
<darklight>
xShadowx, perhaps, but it is still the best system we have
<xShadowx|2>
i ment us system :P
<darklight>
So did I, trump isn't a dictator
<VITAS>
maybe he will become one :D
<darklight>
That being said it is fair to say he doesn't *like* the legislative branch
<xShadowx|2>
the party crap needs to go, just open voting :P
<teabot>
Partea.
<xShadowx|2>
homer simpson for el presidente!
<darklight>
If you mean direct democracy, I disagree, but I wouldn't mind letting libertarians gutting shit for a while
<darklight>
If you have a rule about how many fingers you can stick up pooper you need to stop and realise maybe you went too far :P
<darklight>
That being said, socialism has a role to play
<xShadowx|2>
nah need to keep atleast 'someone' at top, just because delayed discisions can be bad and giving an answer now is sometimes needed
<xShadowx|2>
but coming down to 2 choices, and the worst 2 in the country at that, just shows how bad it got
<darklight>
Not even that, think about your average voter and "I saw it on tv!"
<xShadowx|2>
one of the big things that drives it is campaign money, any "donations" should be split equal to everyone running
<xShadowx|2>
else rich guy pulls ahead nearly everytime
<xShadowx|2>
and ya plenty of idiots ;p
<VITAS>
dont forget ppl rarly voate for whats good for them
<darklight>
Eh, I don't mind donations as is, so long as it's openly declared
<xShadowx|2>
its openly declared through shell companies :P
<SilverFox>
or make sure donations are able to be seen by the public
<darklight>
My biggest gripe is political attack ads, which are useless if you've got no brighter vision for the future
<xShadowx|2>
problem is you have big oil funding only the guy wh will help big oil, not mr environmentalist
<xShadowx|2>
so power maintains power
<VITAS>
shell companies or shell the company :P
<darklight>
Hey I wouldn't mind *national* big oil if we could stop pretending to be friends with the saudis with their slave workforce :P
<xShadowx|2>
big companies already work together ;p
<SilverFox>
Greys, so what's this pi on the door going to do?
<darklight>
Silverfox that is irrelevant :P
<VITAS>
help ypu calculate circles
<VITAS>
:P
<SilverFox>
darklight, it was irrelevant to the question she asked, but it's relevant to the question im asking
<SilverFox>
since her question was answered, she has no reason to see mine as irrelevant
<darklight>
Theres a few things I guess I'm concerned with, the biggest one is probably how the nationalism vs globalism thing goes
<darklight>
I do not like that this year now has fighting in the streets but yeah...
<darklight>
I'd still be running power to the pi unless it was a sliding door, which in that case you wouldn't want the pi on anyway
<SilverFox>
in both cases you can have contact switches
<SilverFox>
just fuckin rotate it 90 degrees if it's asliding door
<darklight>
Naaa, just run a power lead over the hinge
<SilverFox>
I mean, I guess
<SilverFox>
but then you have possible tugging and if not, it might look weird so ehhh
<darklight>
Every switchboard ever has wires that bend over the hinge ;)
<SilverFox>
this is more a thing of aesthetics
<darklight>
And extension leads are flex so who gives at that point :P
<SilverFox>
both options are valid, and perhaps she cant run a wire beside hinges
<darklight>
Does greys care about A E S T H E T I C
<SilverFox>
perhaps a little bit
<darklight>
I'm more curious why a computer needs to be on a door
<SilverFox>
she wanted to do it wirelessly sooo
<SilverFox>
that's why Im asking
<SilverFox>
why can't it be an arduino
<darklight>
Arduinos aren't what I would call a computer
<SilverFox>
ehhh, they can compute, but I see what you mean
<SilverFox>
it's a different working environment than a pi
<darklight>
Although if I had to interface with a lot of IO I would use one
<SilverFox>
indeed
<darklight>
Pis are nice if you need a proper computer
<SilverFox>
or need python support or internet stuff like streaming video or sound or server stuff
<darklight>
Actually you brought a mega didn't you?
<SilverFox>
me?
<SilverFox>
uhh, sort of
<SilverFox>
it came with a 3D printer with the RAMPs board\
<darklight>
I have two normal ones and a mini, used it for the cap bank controller
<SilverFox>
so I do haev access to one
<darklight>
Ah
<darklight>
My sis was looking at 3d printing, I don't see it being worth it
<SilverFox>
it depends
<SilverFox>
it can most definitely be worth it
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<SilverFox>
if you do miniatures or have kids, you can find you can make those things and kid toys rather easily
<SilverFox>
and if you have 3/4 a brain, you can design them such that they are easily replaceble in parts
<SilverFox>
if you have a rocketry hobby, you can easily design and print cheap rocket bodies for use and testing
<darklight>
Kids are replaceable?
<SilverFox>
of course
<darklight>
Eh, I can't really think of anything other than control horns and motor mounts for my plane, although I have questions about its strength. It only needs to hold 1kg though
<SilverFox>
if you need strength, go ABS
<SilverFox>
easy peasy
<darklight>
I still haven't made a rear mount one yet...
<SilverFox>
3d printers are a tool, how much you would use that tool, is how much it is worth it
<SilverFox>
if you buy a hacksaw to use it once, is it worth it? probably not
<SilverFox>
but you encorporate that into your daily workflow and bam, super worth it
<darklight>
In that case, not at all then
<SilverFox>
for me, it'd be worth it because I lack money to buy expensive materials otherwise used in prototyping
<SilverFox>
so buying a fuckton of cheap plastic would be great
<SilverFox>
this also helps in that I lack machining skills and machines to machine things with
<SilverFox>
so I can spend 500$ on a 3d printer, or I can spend thousands on machining equipment, is it worth it? probably
<SilverFox>
one thing koreans should never say again; "babysitter"
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<SilverFox>
they dont like "si" sounds, so they replace them with "shi"
<SilverFox>
you can see why this is a problem
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<SilverFox>
!tell Majiir new KARD MV coming within 3 days
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<xShadowx|2>
news cracks me up
<xShadowx|2>
group of 4 women that looked like 70+ were selling used panties, police found the site because they sold to a pedos they were investigating
<xShadowx|2>
i dont think mr pedos realized they were old lady used XD
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