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<SilverFox>
;tell Majiir do you have plans for KCON new york?
<kmath>
SilverFox: I'll let majiir know when I see them
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<RockyTV>
why does squad obfuscate 32bit dlls but not 64bit dlls?
<SilverFox>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<G-Mobile>
The 32 bit toolchain is old a d squad is lazy
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<RockyTV>
maybe that's why their dev team left
<SilverFox>
pffffft
<SilverFox>
majuu I have some tells for you
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<Majiir>
Neat
<Majiir>
Kicking doesn't do tells
<SilverFox>
cool
<Majiir>
I don't have work tomorrow, wat do
<SilverFox>
plan your next trip
<SilverFox>
spend all your money
<SilverFox>
jerk off
<SilverFox>
clean up
<SilverFox>
watch porn for entertainment
<SilverFox>
school everyone at work
<Majiir>
step two is going to be challenging
<SilverFox>
definitely not
<SilverFox>
advertising
<Majiir>
A lot of my money is in accounts where I couldn't get it out by tomorrow
<SilverFox>
interesting
<Majiir>
Not really. Retirement accounts are like that.
<SilverFox>
spend all your money *that you can immediately spend
<Majiir>
That might still be hard to do on things I actually want
<SilverFox>
that was not a requirement
<SilverFox>
after you school everyone at work, fire the CEO
<SilverFox>
take his place
<SilverFox>
rule the world
<Majiir>
I just got a bonus for doing a project for three weeks
<SilverFox>
sounds like a bitchin trip to me
<Majiir>
The bonus is basically 45% of my normal salary over that time span
<SilverFox>
sounds like a lot of bitchin now
<Majiir>
or 38% depending on the maths
<Majiir>
or 35%?
<Majiir>
I don't know how much I make
<Majiir>
It varies depending on how much money the company makes and how much the CEO likes me and whether I quit in February or not
<Majiir>
Next trip is easy though
<Majiir>
Going to CAY-NAY-DUH for a friend's wedding
<SilverFox>
okay, spending all your money will be impossible
<SilverFox>
you'll have more money in your pocket than trudeau makes in a year
<SilverFox>
just buy the fucking country
<Majiir>
I told you, I only buy things I want
<SilverFox>
why not buy canada?
<Majiir>
because I don't want Canada
<SilverFox>
why not tho
<Majiir>
Well you know, nothing says exciting, interesting and exotic like *Canada*
<Majiir>
Canada is too similar to America to be interesting, and not America enough to be America
<Majiir>
It's also too hot, probably
<xShadowx>
you know a programmer is bored one day when he makes this - google > do a barrel roll
<SilverFox>
we have the world's largest output of maple syrup
<SilverFox>
WE TAKE POPSICLE STICKS
<SilverFox>
PUT THEM IN TREE SAP
<Majiir>
Yeah but your syrup is shit
<SilverFox>
AND STAB THE SNOW
<Majiir>
I'm from Vermont motherfucker
<Majiir>
the state with its own maple syrup standard because the Canadian standard and American standard were both too shit
<Majiir>
Have you ever even made syrup
<Majiir>
tapped the trees yourself
<Majiir>
collected the buckets
<Majiir>
poured that shit into vats
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
in first grade
<SilverFox>
bitch
<Majiir>
yeah but it was shitty Canadian trees
<Majiir>
sub-par syrup grading standard
<Majiir>
McDonalds makes a ton of burgers
<Majiir>
that doesn't make them any good
<Majiir>
That's Canada and syrup
<xShadowx>
mcdonalds doesnt make burgers
<Majiir>
See Canada ain't shit
<Majiir>
can't even make a burger
<Majiir>
now if you tried to sell me North Korea, hell yeah I'd buy that shit, kick a few people out, release prisoners from labor camps and immediately send them to forced labor working on North Korean maple syrup
<xShadowx>
mcdonalds might call it a burger, but it aint a burger, most of the 'meat patty' isnt even meat........
<Majiir>
I'd also invest in a meme economy and win the culture war that way
<SilverFox>
what about unifying the koreas?
<Majiir>
Majiir Korea would have the truly rarest pepes
<Majiir>
Unification will happen when the North team beats the South team at Starcraft
<SilverFox>
so will you push for that?
<Majiir>
You know there are more possible positions on unification than just "will push for that" or "opposes that"
<SilverFox>
it was a yes or no question tho
<Majiir>
I don't answer questions I don't like, and I don't like your question
<SilverFox>
what are you going to do with the nuclear weapons?
<Majiir>
Ramp up manufacturing, and then put on the world's best fireworks show with thousands of synchronized dancers singing Gee
<Majiir>
in hanboks
<SilverFox>
I fully support this
<Majiir>
I will also send food aid to South Korea
<Majiir>
to completely fuck with everyone's heads
<TheKosmonaut>
A unification would be insanely expensive
<Majiir>
That's such a tired line
<SilverFox>
Majiir got the money for it tho
<TheKosmonaut>
Iirc there was an estimate by 38north for like half a trillion dollars
<TheKosmonaut>
It'd get done
<Majiir>
Everyone assumes "unification" => "the South pays social security for everyone in the North"
<TheKosmonaut>
But South Korea would tank for a bit.
<TheKosmonaut>
That is assuming s Korea would take that on
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<TheKosmonaut>
The more likely scenario imo is joint custody between ROK/USA and China.
<Majiir>
There's probably no political will to reunify in a more controlled way? but that's the only way to do it cheaper
<Majiir>
Tearing down the present regime can't be synonymous with social security blowing up
<Majiir>
No reason the border has to open
<Majiir>
You can sure as hell make everyone's lives better there just by changing domestic policy
<Majiir>
well, and foreign policy
<Majiir>
The North could really use some good ol' unfettered capitalism
<Majiir>
You can worry about wealth inequality when your poor have a better standard of living
<TheKosmonaut>
Met a North Korean once
<TheKosmonaut>
I mean, I have met several. But I met one that had escaped.
<TheKosmonaut>
She was really sweet.
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<SilverFox>
Majiir, what will you do to reboot the slowing economic growth of the koreas?
<SilverFox>
fix it, how do?
<Majiir>
Both of them?
<SilverFox>
maybe
<Majiir>
That's a rather large variable to leave ambiguous
<SilverFox>
that's why it's on the heap of issues, rather than the stack of issues
<Majiir>
That's not how variables work
<SilverFox>
what is the size in which things get put on the heap rather than stack?
<SilverFox>
I've been curious about that for like, 12 seconds
<Majiir>
It's not usually a matter of size
<Majiir>
It's a matter of semantics
<SilverFox>
yo when is that wedding?
<SilverFox>
around may 14th ish?
<Majiir>
Probably not
<SilverFox>
you werent given the date for the wedding?
<SilverFox>
toronto kpop con is may 14th-17th or something, so if it was around then, that's a thin you could do
<SilverFox>
Kard is playing and uhhh EXID
<Majiir>
meh
<SilverFox>
oh and GOT7 but you aren't into them
<Majiir>
RV are at the top of my want-to-see-live list
<Majiir>
Saw them in Korea at a fansign
<Majiir>
TWICE would also be nice
<SilverFox>
TWICE is playing at NY kpop con
<SilverFox>
this year
<Majiir>
I don't live under a rock
<Majiir>
KCON's not really a great deal tbh
<Majiir>
did it twice but skipped the one with Mamamoo and DAY6, and unlikely to do this year's unless there's a really good list
<Majiir>
TWICE+GFRIEND is a pretty good rivalry setup but meh, CNBLUE, already saw them and they were really underwhelming
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<SilverFox>
;wa 1200CAD to USD
<kmath>
SilverFox: convert C$1200 (Canadian dollars) to US dollars: $900.41 (US dollars)
<Majiir>
;wa 4000USD to KRW
<kmath>
Majiir: convert $4000 (US dollars) to Korean won: ₩4.556 million (Korean won)
<Majiir>
> (180 / 52) * 3 / (5000)
<Soozee>
2.076923076923077e-3
<Majiir>
> (180 / 52) * (3 / 5)
<Soozee>
2.076923076923077
<Majiir>
gawd damn
<SilverFox>
??
<Majiir>
The primary cost of vacation is basically the vacation time itself
<Glass|phone>
(the announcement didn't specify 'idiot' but it seemed like the pwrson had entered intentionally)
<SilverFox>
Glass|phone, how accurate? as accurate as german lines?
<Glass|phone>
lol stop talking about shit you don't know
<G-Mobile>
As accurate as swedish lines
<Glass|phone>
german trains are notoriously late, they only seem okay to people from countries with third world grade train service
<SilverFox>
ohh really
<SilverFox>
interesting
<aeTIos_web>
hahah yeah I've heard bad things about the german trains
<aeTIos_web>
Dutch train network is generally pretty solid
<darklight>
To be fair, germany does have a lot of people from the third world :P
<aeTIos_web>
thats racIST
<SilverFox>
not if it's true
<darklight>
I was trying to make a silly
<aeTIos_web>
shit, whenever I enter this chat I go into full shitposting mode
<aeTIos_web>
how much actual mod talk is there still here
<darklight>
Man, I'm holding back
<G-Mobile>
apparrently in LA the metro vehicles, buses and trains, sometimes just don't.
<SilverFox>
aeTIos, none
<darklight>
aeTIos_web: None
<aeTIos_web>
yeah that's what I thought
<Glass|phone>
a local trains is often enough within five minutes, but the intercity and intercity express services are often delayed, sometimes over an hour
<darklight>
We even chase them to a different channel now :P
<SilverFox>
the modding talk is in #kspmodding
<aeTIos_web>
oh
<aeTIos_web>
lmao
<aeTIos_web>
I just remember this channel because I've been on and off in the past
<aeTIos_web>
many years
<darklight>
As the great majiir once said, this is ksp*modders*, for the modders :3
<aeTIos_web>
I remember helping SilverFox test his weather mods
<G-Mobile>
no true modders mod ksp anymore
<Glass|phone>
G-Mobile: you're in detroit, right?
<SilverFox>
aeTIos, I might get picking that up again in may
<aeTIos_web>
haha do you say that every month
<aeTIos_web>
$username, I might pick that up in $cur_month+1
<SilverFox>
naw
<Glass|phone>
do you even have real trains there?
<SilverFox>
I have college and shit
<G-Mobile>
detroit has the people mover
<SilverFox>
and I need to dedicate full days to the research KWS requires
<aeTIos_web>
ah
<aeTIos_web>
fair enough
<darklight>
I actually downloaded 1.2.2 to look at a bug today
<aeTIos_web>
i downloaded it like last week
<darklight>
Namely PopupWindowDialog crashing on KSPAddon.Startup.Instantly on 32bit, which effectively has made dmp 64bit only atm
<Glass|phone>
G-Mobile: which we have talked about before and come to the conclusion that it is insignificantly more than nothing
<darklight>
Never really cared enough to fix, but I *really* should
<aeTIos_web>
steam said I last played around april last year
<SilverFox>
also, they're talking about KSP in multiple languages, I want my shit in korean
<aeTIos_web>
everyone who bought it before the end of april 2013 will get the DLC for free
<G-Mobile>
squad is against i18n so no korea for jew
<SilverFox>
wtf is i18n?
<darklight>
internationalisation
<aeTIos_web>
wh0t
<darklight>
Yeah, that's is actual shortening
<darklight>
*its
<aeTIos_web>
i18n (where 18 stands for the number of letters between the first i and the last n in the word internationalization, a usage coined at DEC in the 1970s or 80s)
<aeTIos_web>
that's the best
<aeTIos_web>
XD
<aeTIos_web>
welp xd is a dead meme
<aeTIos_web>
i feel a bit nauseous for using that
<darklight>
It's an older meme, but it checks out
<darklight>
Also I'm gonna have to disagree with you that XD isn't a meme but an emoticon
<G-Mobile>
more correctly i18n is the process of designing a system to support localization
<G-Mobile>
like, for your car to support wheels, it must have an axle
<darklight>
G-Mobile: Says you
<G-Mobile>
i18n is not the localization, it's the capacity for localization
<G-Mobile>
what do I say
<G-Mobile>
I say many things
<darklight>
You don't *need* an axle to put a wheel on :P
<G-Mobile>
there's a page in Change 123 where the airheaded large breasted jujitsu personality is sad that she accidentally punched the male love interest in the balls
<G-Mobile>
"do your balls still hurt?"
<G-Mobile>
"do you want me to massage them?"
<SilverFox>
so that's the name
<SilverFox>
I asked for the name and you never delivered, like a true op
<G-Mobile>
I never saw your question, my bnc is configured incorrectly and I'm lazy
<darklight>
Speaking of ops, I think they found shia again
<G-Mobile>
there's a frame early on when the boy goes to the girl's housepartment, and the jujitsu girl comes out topless in panties and the panties are drawn such that you could identify her clitoris
<darklight>
Caught in a genocide
<G-Mobile>
no escape from hmphrmhemherm
<SilverFox>
Greys, ima start reading that now that I have the name
<darklight>
Reverse google image search comes in handy doesn't it :P
<SilverFox>
also in this video I linked, I really like his design for the pod coming home at the end
<G-Mobile>
how I know this is reality: I use the Outlook app to separate my work email from my private email in the gmail app, but outlook's icon is stupid and ugly, so I have it configured to use gmail's icon instead
<SilverFox>
pfffft
<G-Mobile>
so on my homescreen, the gmail icon is outlook, but in the app drawer, it's gmail
<G-Mobile>
at some point I'll make a blue version of the gmail icon for outlook, which is blue themed normally
<G-Mobile>
at that point I can have both apps on my home screen
<SilverFox>
Greys, is there sexing in this manga?
<darklight>
I'm still recovering from little goat, do you people have to? :P
<G-Mobile>
no, but there is plenty of nudity, just no genitalia
<SilverFox>
wait, what
<G-Mobile>
boobs all the time
<SilverFox>
oh that isnt nudity, that's partial at best
<G-Mobile>
there will be times when the girl is entirely naked, you just aren't shown the genitals
<SilverFox>
greys, where the fuck do I read non-porn mangarinos?
<G-Mobile>
one fun thing about change123 is that the male love interest is by very few qualifications a protagonist; but when he does qualify he's usually thinking about kamen rider
<G-Mobile>
and there'll be frames of kamen rider drawn in behind him
<G-Mobile>
complete with reference notation
<darklight>
SilverFox: Not furaffinity
<darklight>
:P
<SilverFox>
if you go to FA for manga, you're truly retarded
<SilverFox>
Greys, is there a special name for the static you hear when putting on headphones or other audio equipment?
<SilverFox>
oh wait
<SilverFox>
that's my tinnitus
<G-Mobile>
when putting them on?
<SilverFox>
yeah, it gets amplified, so I thought it was a new sound
<G-Mobile>
tinnitis is generally heard when there's no competing sound
<SilverFox>
wait, does that mean you can't be deprived of your hearing?
<SilverFox>
yanno what's funny? When people draw Bowser's sperm as koopa shells with flagella
<darklight>
You've taken a wrong turn somewhere
<SilverFox>
"birth"
<aeTIos_web>
oh
<aeTIos_web>
darklight you work on dmp?
<aeTIos_web>
or is godarklight != darklight
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<darklight>
Its me
<aeTIos_web>
cool, I was just discussing a modlist with some friends
<aeTIos_web>
are there any things we must absolutely avoid
<xShadowx>
people, is the firt thing
<xShadowx>
first*
<aeTIos_web>
lol
<darklight>
Ha
<darklight>
He's kinda right
<xShadowx>
everyone turns into whiny 12 yr olds when you shoot em in the ass
<darklight>
More like that's when explosions happen
<aeTIos_web>
lol, we were gonna play private so
<darklight>
But basically DMP is probably going to be fine with most mods
<darklight>
Except things that mess with time
<darklight>
So things like life support aren't a good idea
<aeTIos_web>
aight, cool to know
<darklight>
As far as mod parts or client mods that change the game, go for it, DMP doesn't care :P
<SilverFox>
oh yeah I forgot about that, that's something I'll have to keep in mind
<SilverFox>
darklight, we should make a standardized system for time-fuckery
<SilverFox>
so that the things that mess with time won't be a problem
<xShadowx>
why would life support mess it?:|
<xShadowx>
darklight: ^
<Thomas>
Because of subspaces
<Thomas>
Different users have a different ingame time
<darklight>
xShadowx: When you sync you jump time
<darklight>
So you can sync to a dead crew afaik :P
<darklight>
And other people who are massively in the future will see lots of things dying, probably every 30 seconds :P
<darklight>
(I've not tried life support...)
<darklight>
SilverFox: Timey whimey, wibbly wobbly, stuff. There are some things that cannot be solved
<SilverFox>
sure it can be
<darklight>
But stopping DMP from time-locking would probably help some
<darklight>
But timey-stuff is so down on my "don't care list" it's not even funny :P
<darklight>
What would be nice is a deterministic ground, but meh, can't have everything
<darklight>
And I should probably try to reduce jankyness, I've had this idea of a UDP mesh for a long time, but as I don't play ksp there isn't any real gain for me to actually implement something like that :P
<darklight>
There's also more gains to be had by ignoring KSP's bullshit numbers and doing things myself
<darklight>
(with respect to the positioning system)
<SilverFox>
that's what I do with weather
<SilverFox>
fuck whatever KSP puts out
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: the fifth personality, supermurder, just kicked a guy's arm off and then started beating him with it
<G-Mobile>
lucky for him it's a robot arm, he can get a new one from his dead father -- oh wait
<SilverFox>
those skeleton lizalfos do that
<darklight>
I think egg has hinted that the vessel.position/velocity thing could be on the current frame, or could be a frame behind
<darklight>
And there is a bool to check
<egg|zzz|egg>
moo
<egg|zzz|egg>
but that was in a previous version
<egg|zzz|egg>
I think it's fixed now
<egg|zzz|egg>
maybe
<egg|zzz|egg>
who knows
<SilverFox>
>maybe
<darklight>
*shrugs*
<egg|zzz|egg>
certainly not the developers
<darklight>
What developers?
<SilverFox>
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
<egg|zzz|egg>
those that remain :-p
<darklight>
Are there any :P
<egg|zzz|egg>
I *thin*
<egg|zzz|egg>
s/.$/k*
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg meant to say: I *think*
<darklight>
Maybe they are bumping the version number, like what... hell I forget
<darklight>
Some internet browser did
<Thomas>
darklight: They hired some people, but they are hiding them from the community
<SilverFox>
"When two countries go to war, they should send their presidents for a 1v1 to the death"
<SilverFox>
"Blood you've donated could be in someone's boner right now"
<RandomJeb>
it would be neat if most places still had a cultural meme that you were dogshit if you didn't lead your own armies
<darklight>
Thomas: Fair enough, the community can be pretty savage :P
<RandomJeb>
I still don't get KSP drama
<G-Mobile>
especially when squad hired the top 10 modders, and then fired everyone
<SilverFox>
luuuul
<Thomas>
I think they dont want to protect the devs but they dont want that the community likes the devs as a person. They want that the community likes Squad.
<G-Mobile>
~g planet money hard work is irrelevant
<G-Mobile>
this podcast tells the story of that time netflix fired one third of all it's employees, and then fired the professional firer
<SilverFox>
Thomas, that's kinda ew tbh
<SilverFox>
having it more open made it feel more personal and shit
<Thomas>
Yes, but then the community takes the departure of the devs personal too
<Thomas>
And they rage against squad
<G-Mobile>
this cover art from a volume of change123 seems to be suggesting that Mikiri has a tattoo
<G-Mobile>
and the other four personas don't
<G-Mobile>
it's already tough to accept that Mikiri has like 3 cup sizes larger breasts
<darklight>
Tbh the only thing that I cared about is fun and how many bugs I hit :P
<SilverFox>
I dont remember what I cared about
<darklight>
I've sunk a shitton of time into KSP, and the only other game I think I would have played more of is minecraft
<darklight>
I don't really care for the devs but it was a nice thing to have them in here sometimes, but they got jumped on :P
<SilverFox>
if they were here more often they wouldnt be
<darklight>
You can't expect them to do anything just for you :P
<SilverFox>
like with Majiir, I get questions throughout the day, and they stockpile for a week until majiir comes on
<darklight>
But mu went out of his way a few times
<SilverFox>
yeah Mu was a great lad
<xShadowx>
Thomas i raged against squad before the exodus :P
<Thomas>
Me too
<G-Mobile>
I wish Mu had come back to the warm, moist bosom of kspmodders
<xShadowx>
squad was accualy lookin good with all the modders joining in
<xShadowx>
now ksp just looks like its going downhill ;\
<G-Mobile>
ksp isn't even going down hill
<G-Mobile>
it's going 0mph as fast as possible
<xShadowx>
upside is it isnt tied to steam or accounts, so i can keep my old versions no mater how much it might get fucked in the future :D and modders will still make good stuff
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<GlassYuri>
what the fuck
<GlassYuri>
so I actually got bored to the point of looking up kemono friends
<GlassYuri>
so I was thinking that this was one of these cancer animes where the characters look kinda cool and that is the only positive thing you could possibly get out
<darklight>
Did you watch SAO?
<GlassYuri>
but apparently the visuals are completely trash, but the story is deep
<darklight>
Nevermind.
<GlassYuri>
and it was made by a no-name ten people studio yet still completely destroyed any big name production of the season
<GlassYuri>
I'm probably going to actually watch it now
<GlassYuri>
all the mainstream trash being completely destroyed by a low budget production is the best thing that could possibly happen to anime
<GlassYuri>
also it was apparently originally meant for little kids which means it's probably free of the whole masturbation cringe
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<darklight>
Can confirm shows for little kids being acceptable sometimes
<aeTIos_web>
are you talking about mlp /runs
<aeTIos_web>
GlassYuri: what, SAO was made by A1 pictures
<kmath>
YouTube - 1 HOUR OF DANK MEMES FROM 4CHAN #1
<SilverFox>
a great story
<SilverFox>
about a field trip of niglets going to a cotton processing plant in alabama
<aeTIos>
SilverFox: I take back what I said
<aeTIos>
just to be sure, can you try something for me
<aeTIos>
actually
<aeTIos>
never mind
<aeTIos>
carry on with whatever you were doign
<SilverFox>
"People expected terrorists to fly planes into buildings. But what they didn't expect, was when terrorists started flying buildings into the side of planes"
<aeTIos>
ha, the ports work fine SilverFox it's probably just the device that was being a shit
<aeTIos>
as expected from self-contained alarm systems
<aeTIos>
with 'zero configuration'
<SilverFox>
Majiir, what's your opinion on Seventeen?
<SilverFox>
the obvious sequel to SIXTEEN
<Majiir>
shit
<SilverFox>
but why
<SilverFox>
also I just remember that produce 101 and SIXTEEN have sort of ruined songs for me, like Push Push because I can't unhear their voices now