egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
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<Greys>
SilverFox, challenge, 700 points; how long would it take to 3D print the text of The Lord of the Rings, 4mm tall, 14 point font, with the letters inside words bridged
<SilverFox>
nope
<SilverFox>
too many variables, try again later
<Greys>
let's use that fancy new ultimaker so the bridge material can be printed in transparent plastic, and then you can find out how fast it is
<Greys>
LotR itself is 455,125 words
<Greys>
;c 455125+143436+134462
<kmath>
Greys: 733023.0
<Greys>
that's the trilogy
<SilverFox>
still need the print speed of the printer
<Greys>
that new ultimaker
<SilverFox>
cool, still need the print speed of the printer
<Greys>
find it
<Greys>
oh wait, LotR seems to be a collection of the three books
<SilverFox>
naw, dont care enough
<Greys>
then you won't get points and the government will liquify your grandma!
<SilverFox>
have chem exam im prepping for
<SilverFox>
will i get to drink it afterwards?
<Greys>
no, she'll be used to fuel ice breakers
<SilverFox>
cool
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<SilverFox>
I'm seeing this screenshot from an anime; "When I'm with him, I have impure thoughts. I really want to cuddle, and hold hands, and stuff." and someone replied "I bet you want to be called by your first name too you thirsty whore"
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<SilverFox>
"In japan they say 'ビープ音レタス' which means 'Your eyes are stars' and I thnk that's beautiful"
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Supernovy>
Tell me about Bae!
<SilverFox>
배 수지
<SilverFox>
Bae Suzy
<SilverFox>
look her up, im going to bed
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<Glass|phone>
so our teachers are presenting their past work
<Glass|phone>
one of them showed a tentacle porn cover page by accident
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<TheKosmonaut>
"Accident"
<Glass|phone>
well he quickly went to the next image and then back to talk more about it
<Glass|phone>
also seemed nervous about navigating the folder mess that his portfolio is
<darklight>
Japan confirmed tentacle fetish
<VITAS>
just noticed: my work and hobby arent that differet. i host some outdated code on "costeffective" hardware :D
<darklight>
Anime on the streets hentai in the sheets eh?
<VITAS>
i wonder if theres any school left in japan that hasnt some hentai dark secret
<darklight>
Spacedock is still on a dedi though :P
<VITAS>
yes but not only
<darklight>
Did you ever end up removing piwik?
<VITAS>
its on a a rented dedi but also on 4 2009 build servers
<VITAS>
no because i like watching it
<VITAS>
in fact thats what motivates me the most. seeing ppl actual use the site
<darklight>
Haha, it used to hammer a db though so I suspect a fair bit of load comes from there :P
<VITAS>
slowness these days isnt piwiks fault in the most part
<VITAS>
problem is: the frontend dedicated server is in nürnberg (south of germany)
<darklight>
Still hovering around 10req/s?
<VITAS>
the rack that runs the backend is in the north where i live (about 1000km away from the dedi)
<VITAS>
it went down a bit because there wasnt a major release in a time but its still humming
<VITAS>
so the main bottle nack is: the db and apache are on the "edge "server in nürnberg allong with the files
<VITAS>
and the backend is in the rack connected via vpn tu the edge
<VITAS>
so each time the backend needs db data it has to go trough the vpn 1000km to the edge server
<VITAS>
i did taht because i wasnt trusting the old crap and the vpn
<VITAS>
but ive 6 servers in the rack now (two spares) so i could do clustering and move the db to the rack
<VITAS>
that would speed up stuff
<VITAS>
load isnt the problem in any case except for the edge that tends to get under pressure with handling email, spam proxy, av, apache, jabber, bnc, vpn,...
<VITAS>
btw eahc of the rack servers has 2x xeon 8gb ram (damn you fbdimm and me buying the wrong modules) 2x 1tb 10k drives (raid1) 2x 1gbit
<xShadowx>
bought servers or rented?:|
* darklight
is back from lunch
<xShadowx>
darklight: i demand bacon
<xShadowx>
give
<darklight>
Is bacon not halal where you are? :P
<xShadowx>
huh o.o
<darklight>
It was a hetrzner one iirc, spelled something like that
<xShadowx>
room full of fat ugly nuns dressed in heavy clothes?
<xShadowx>
whats that have to do with bacon
<xShadowx>
give bacon
<darklight>
Bacon is forbidden by islamic law, not "halal" (permitted)
<xShadowx>
i aint no sand nigger im american
<darklight>
Then bacon should be readily available in burgerstan
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<xShadowx>
bacon is at store yes
<xShadowx>
store = time + effort
<xShadowx>
me = lazy
<xShadowx>
therefore you give bacon :P
<darklight>
Bacon from australia that isn't a live export = off
<darklight>
"Halal Pork? Aldi Supermarket Apologizes To Muslims After Selling 'Halal-Certified' Black Pudding With Pig Blood" that was a fun headline a while ago....
<xShadowx>
i wonder what giant rat jerky tastes like o.o
<darklight>
That would be interesting to try actually
<darklight>
We have a dehydrator
<xShadowx>
go hunt a giant rat
<darklight>
We can buy it in the supermarket though :P
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<xShadowx>
pfft quit feeding corporate slavedrivers :P they drug your food
<xShadowx>
kangaroo sells in stores though?o.O
<darklight>
Well they gas it, and I have no objections there
<xShadowx>
around here we mostly just cow/pig/chicken/turkey
<darklight>
It's kinda like steak except stronger, and then it has this hint of rotten aftertaste, its kinda hard to describe :P
<xShadowx>
i want somethin else :(
<xShadowx>
once a year i get tiny bit of elk or vennison
<darklight>
I think turkey might be a deli thing...
<darklight>
cow/pig/lamb/chicken are big here...
<xShadowx>
we got like 200 ways to cook each of those 4 but still
<xShadowx>
lamb i get every few months, more costly, but lambchop nuggets are tasty
<xShadowx>
havent tried gator/snake
<xShadowx>
cousin likes turtle soup
<xShadowx>
i never had it :|
<xShadowx>
also wanna try bear
<darklight>
Not a big fan of lamb
<xShadowx>
goat prolly tastes like lamb?
<xShadowx>
only way i tried lamb really is chiop into nugget size, and put on breading, cook in oven
<VITAS>
my boss has some crappy old java grails stuff he wrote 5 years ago or so that he wants me to run. it craps out because jre and tomcat are to new.
<xShadowx>
usually mix in a bit of parmasian cheese with the breading
<VITAS>
he insists its a db connection problem
<xShadowx>
i lost you at 'java'
<xShadowx>
just delete it :)
<VITAS>
and because he hrdcoded the pw and so on he insists that i not only change the root pw for the db server to match his
<xShadowx>
its java, just edit the source file lolz
<VITAS>
(and to be the same one as all servers it ran in the past on)
<VITAS>
but now he says mariadb could be the problem so please use mysql ver ultraold
<xShadowx>
mssql > mysql
<VITAS>
i say: uhm but theres other stuff runnign that uses the db. and hes like just do it
<VITAS>
but mariadb = (nearly) mysql
<VITAS>
if it cant even write files or find its plugins im sure there are larger problems than the db server
<xShadowx>
if he wasnt smarter thn you, he wouldnt be your boss, so make it work!
<VITAS>
hes paying so i will set up a vm with ubuntu 12. something and so on but if he wants me to put that into prod he has to sign a lengthy agreement
<xShadowx>
or fire you :P
<VITAS>
he has a degree in chemistry not computer sience so not when it comes to computers
<VITAS>
he wont
<VITAS>
but theres a day wasted
<VITAS>
hes that kind of user with a dangourus amount of half knowlage that gives him the feeling he is a pro :/
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<darklight>
Is computer science at all related to running a server? :P
<VITAS>
i know how to calc what theyre doing on paper so yeah
<VITAS>
:P
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<darklight>
Banish them to a UML! :P
<darklight>
(I don't think anyone uses a UML these days)
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<Greys>
and that's how mesopotamia developed the hibiscous engine
<darklight>
And I said OATMEAL, ARE YOU CRAZY?
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<Greys>
everyone knows that oatmeal is far too unstable to draw useful power from
<Greys>
SilverFox how dare you not inform me that the raspberry pi now comes with INTEGRATED WIFI AND BLUETOOTH
<Greys>
pi zero*
<Greys>
wow, microcenter has the best pricing scheme for these fuckers
<Greys>
1 for 10$
<Greys>
2~5 for 15$ each
<Greys>
6+ for 20$ each
<darklight>
HA
<darklight>
Bluetooth adaptors are cheap though
<darklight>
Chiyyyyyyna
<Greys>
they really know that Raspberry is just fucking not trustworthy for supply shipments
<darklight>
I think the raspberry pi price is obviously a little bit too low as it resells for a lot more
<Greys>
they're cheap yes but you can't just use adapters with the zero
<darklight>
So they do that to prevent that kinda reselling
<Greys>
if you want to use a bluetooth adapter you must also get a micro-OTG adapter
<darklight>
Surely bluetooth over SPI or something like that exists
<darklight>
Ah yeah, OTG
<Greys>
which at microcenter is 4~6$
<Greys>
if you also want to have a wifi adapter you'll need an OTG hub
<Greys>
starts around 15$
<Greys>
if you also want to involve any other devices you're probably screwed because most OTG hubs I've seen have 2 USB ports and an ethernet port
<darklight>
>pi zero, $55 ebay
<darklight>
That's the bluetooth one
<Greys>
for me honestly the difference between the standard Pi and the wifi pi would make that price reasonable
<Greys>
I have a standard zero and it cannot do anything for me, because I would have to spend 30$ on accessories just to hook it up to anything
<Greys>
I'd rather have ethernet, even a solder-on ethernet pinless header, but wifi will work
<darklight>
I think the pi3 has built in wireless
<darklight>
Pi3 is about 60 dollars on fleabay
<Greys>
nobody cares about pi3
<darklight>
Pi's are kinda a meme....
<darklight>
They fit in that uncomfortable area of usefullness
<kmath>
YouTube - CNN/HLN trolled; Jon Hendren; Edward Snowden; Edward Scissorhands; 9-30-2015
<SilverFox>
false, the pi3 is better spec'd and at the same price as the pi2b, at least it was set that way
<Greys>
they do a thing that normally is either extremely difficult or extremely expensive
<Greys>
they also make it reasonable for every 5 yearold child to have a linux server
<darklight>
I meant for like the average user
<Greys>
of what
<darklight>
The raspberry pi does a heap of things kinda ok, but I don't consider them doing anything 'well" if that makes sense :P
<Greys>
right
<darklight>
The arduino definitely has a market with electronicy types
<RandomJeb>
what will come first, every 5 year old having a linux server or self-replicating smart matter infecting everything?
<Greys>
so the average american doesn't care, the average computer user doesn't care, the average circuitry nerd mostly doesn't care and can get better use out of an arduino but for the average person-who-likes-to-make-dumb-shit-poorly-for-fun, arduinos are both too weak for inefficient stuff and too difficult to make good use of, but doing basic things in raw electronics is too high level
<darklight>
Arduinos are microcontrollers, pis are shitty computers :P
<darklight>
They are small though, so comes in handy for trolly purposes as I have used it for once :P
<Greys>
if all you want to do is learn some highly abstracted language, or better yet use things other people made and wire it up to some basic stuff, pi is the way to go
<darklight>
If you need a server you're probably better off buying a mini-itx with an integrated cpu
<darklight>
Although I think those fell out of fashion
<Greys>
arduino's language options are not the most attractive and it's low performance means unoptimal code is a big problem
<Greys>
depends what you need a server for
<Greys>
unless hosting a public facing service is on your list of needs, ITX is probably three or four magnetudes of overkill
<darklight>
Minecraft server for example
<Greys>
public facing service
<darklight>
Minecraft server
<Greys>
public facing service
<darklight>
Is minecraft not a public facing service?
<Greys>
minecraft /is/ a public facing service
<Greys>
SilverFox, what if your pi cluster ran a minecraft server where every chunk was simulated by a single specified pi; and the world was constrained by the number of pi in the cluster
<Greys>
surely a pi3 has the processing power to handle the tickrate of a single chunk as long as it doesn't have anything extreme like a redstone pulsar or a QCS
<darklight>
Ha
<darklight>
I don't even want to start to think of the syncronisation problems with that :P
<Greys>
edge pis
<darklight>
Raspberry pi 3 can play minecraft with some hacks though
<Greys>
silver's pi cluster has never been intended for practical applications
<kmath>
YouTube - Full Minecraft 1.8.9 running on Raspberry Pi 3
<SilverFox>
yup, was never intended for practical purposes
<Greys>
so an impractical idea is fine
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
any idea is fine really
<SilverFox>
so long as it fits the cluster idea
<SilverFox>
and can realistically be met in the specs of each node
<Greys>
if you can run an entire minecraft on one pi3, then each pi3 running a single chunk plus the edge interactions with other pi3 should be well within the performance constraints
<darklight>
SilverFox: How many pis do you have?
<SilverFox>
uhhh
<Greys>
then maybe it'd be within the constraints of a pi0
<SilverFox>
3-4?
<SilverFox>
Greys, pi0 is single core
<SilverFox>
remember that
<Greys>
so what's needed is going to be the physical infrastructure, a chunk distributed simulation and outreach program; an aggrigation and client interaction program; and probably a mod for the client that will enforce the world size limitation
<Greys>
add a forcefield at chunk boundaries where the other side is void, prevent the client from assuming things about the terrain and generating outward, and maybe adding some additional async to the client side simulation
<Greys>
SilverFox, I did say maybe
<Greys>
darklight, I can't watch that video, is it running the client or just the server?
<Greys>
if it's just the server then this is purely a matter of scale; by default I think minecraft loads 8ish chunks in radius
<Greys>
;c pi8^2
<kmath>
Greys: Unknown token: pi8
<Greys>
;wa pi8^2
<kmath>
Greys: π×8^2 = 64 π
<Greys>
so that would be the pi3 running 64 chunks at once; it has 4 cores? 16 chunks per core, so the pi0 is still a maybe there
<Greys>
if the pi3 is running the client as well as the server, I think that's a definitely for the pi0
<darklight>
Greys: Client
<Greys>
also given that, if you could construct this cluster with pi3s instead of pi0s, you could definitely simulate more than a single chunk per pi, but you'd want to design the server to run a single chunk and then have multiple nodes
<Greys>
oh yea then
<Greys>
somebody should make a meme where it's the koolaid man with the clippy bubble mansplaining that something is a good idea
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<SilverFox>
and thus im done school for a few months
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<SilverFox>
~c pi8
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 3.141592653589794
<SilverFox>
neat
<SilverFox>
~c pi 8
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, error with inputs or something idfk
<SilverFox>
neater
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<SilverFox>
angavrilov, fix yer damn phone dude
<SilverFox>
past three hours has been you DCing
<angavrilov>
no it wasn't
<angavrilov>
it was just half an hour in the subway
<angavrilov>
which happens to have cell coverage only at stations and apparently this new phone is fast enough to notice it
<SilverFox>
15k sex doll "cheaper than divorce"
<SilverFox>
pffffft
<SilverFox>
Greys, anime about slapping butts together
<SilverFox>
that's it, at least a full season
<darklight>
SilverFox: One of grey's personal favourite
<darklight>
s
<SilverFox>
apparently it's called Keijo
<darklight>
Greys found it quite demeaning iirc
<darklight>
And to be fair, it is kinda rediculous
<darklight>
The articles were good fun though
<SilverFox>
this anime is fucking hilarious
<darklight>
Which one?
<SilverFox>
the one we just talked about..
<darklight>
Ah
<SilverFox>
holy fuck this opening needs to calm down and stop already
<darklight>
Buttstuff is fun, but I won't watch anime about it
<SilverFox>
fuckin half of the episode
<SilverFox>
angavrilov, in japanese, is it a thing like in korean where the question particles can be placed anywhere in the sentence?
* darklight
has been watching bojack horseman
<angavrilov>
SilverFox: what is question particles{
<SilverFox>
why who what where when how
<SilverFox>
how much
<angavrilov>
those arent particles
<SilverFox>
well fuck it
<angavrilov>
and yes, they can be anywhere the matching normal word can be
<angavrilov>
there also is a question particle
<SilverFox>
aw shit
<angavrilov>
which is basically a '?' mark you say out loud
<angavrilov>
and it also can be in the middle of a sentence for various reasons
<SilverFox>
do they make logical sense, or is it just for lulz?
<angavrilov>
the simplest being, e.g. "nani"=what + "ka"=? => nanika=something
<SilverFox>
oh, and is it true japanese sentences dont have spaces?
<angavrilov>
also there are (pseudo) quotation subclauses and such
<angavrilov>
what are spaces
<angavrilov>
one fun thing about japanese is there is no direct difference of 'direct' quotation vs 'indirect'
<angavrilov>
i.e. "he said: 'blah'" vs "he said that blah..." would basically differ by "" being there or not
<angavrilov>
and there being no overt politeness stuff etc in the indirect case
<SilverFox>
korean and japanese share a number, sam
<SilverFox>
neat
<angavrilov>
?
<SilverFox>
sam is 3 in korean
<SilverFox>
삼
<angavrilov>
thats chinese actually
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
koreans use it though
<SilverFox>
wait
<SilverFox>
sambek, 300
<SilverFox>
sounds very similar
<angavrilov>
well, its chinese
<SilverFox>
japan uses chinese numbers as well?
<angavrilov>
native japanese numbers only exist for counting certain kinds of things from 1 to 9
<SilverFox>
korean is the same, the sinokorean numbers are used lots
<angavrilov>
the general rule of question particle in the middle of the sentence could be said to be forming a subclause that represents the answer to the 'embedded' question
<angavrilov>
like in that single word example, the answer to the "what?" question with no context is "something"
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<SilverFox>
so if someone asks you "what?" you reply with "something"?
<angavrilov>
the answer to the equation system { x = ? } is 'any x', because there is no actual condition
<teabot>
Equatean.
<SilverFox>
im hearing lots of esu, asu endings
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<SilverFox>
from a teacher talkin to students
<SilverFox>
what level of honorific is this?
<SilverFox>
"Knot not thy rump, never shall though triamph"
<SilverFox>
s/knot/know
<Qboid>
SilverFox meant to say: "know not thy rump, never shall though triamph"
<SilverFox>
wtf
<SilverFox>
jesus christ
<angavrilov>
it will be present at any level of honorific except 'none'
<angavrilov>
higher levels add more stuff
<SilverFox>
"Know not thy rump, never shalt thou triumph"
<SilverFox>
alright, so it's like a basic building block of honorifics?
<angavrilov>
da => desu => de gozaimasu
<angavrilov>
unless you are a gruff samurai going around saying de gozaru
<SilverFox>
was it a dialect, or them just being special?
<angavrilov>
there is also 'de aru' which is formal non-polite expression
<SilverFox>
alright, equivalent to 어요 in korean
<angavrilov>
like, encyclopedic stufgf
<SilverFox>
and when speaking to strangers, yeah?
<angavrilov>
unless you are a robot or reading a text that uses it or similar you probably would not speak de aru
<SilverFox>
alright
<angavrilov>
it is actually an old form of the A 'is' B verb that became da
<angavrilov>
so gozaru is a polite replacement verb of aru
<angavrilov>
~masu is a polite verb suffix
<SilverFox>
and what about desu? what level is that at?
<angavrilov>
it is a contraction of de arimasu, so it is the same as any other ~masu
<SilverFox>
ohhh neat
<angavrilov>
'contraction' historically mind you, now it is just the normal way how things are, and the full form would be formal
<SilverFox>
neat
<SilverFox>
so what does "ka" add to it?
<angavrilov>
in which context?
<angavrilov>
at the very end it is just '?'
<SilverFox>
after desu
<angavrilov>
that's the question particle
<teabot>
Questean.
<SilverFox>
okay cool
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<xShadowx>
hmm......anything exist to turn regular usb items into bluetooth? ie my dvd drive and monitor both use usb to my pc, but i wanna skip the cable, pc has bluetooth, so just need something that can plug into the usb-B port on dvd/monitor
<G-Mobile>
It'd have to be double ended, bluetooth drivers arent prepared to tunnel usb connections
<G-Mobile>
I know I've seen RF usb bridges, maybe even wifi, but bluetooth has historically sucked
<SilverFox>
what's the easiest way to ddos your own network?