#KSPOfficial on 2023-08-24 — irc logs at esper.irclog.whitequark.org

2023-07-11 17:36 raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.1.3.2 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png

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00:24 <XXCoder> ;outcome add Failed, but hey in least you have something to publish about!

00:24 <LunchBot> Added outcome: Failed, but hey in least you have something to publish about!

00:29 <raptop> !outcome impact factor

00:29 <LunchBot> Your confusion of impact factor with impact parameter results in the destruction of several Elsevier and Springer offices.

00:29 <raptop> (this is, perhaps surprisingly to those outside of academia, a good outcome)

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05:02 <Izzy> FSR is v impressive, in most scenes I can't even tell the game is running at 2/3 res

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06:30 <Mat2ch> raptop: really? JavaScript on a space telescope?!

06:40 <raptop> Yes (I'm pretty sure that the really critical bits run something else. Also, it's a somewhat bespoke variant that by definition avoids a bunch of flaws that plague that broader javascript ecosystem)

07:14 <XXCoder> ;mission

07:14 <LunchBot> In effort to curb embezzlement, you spend all your funds to convert SolidFuel to FOOF. Your rocket sinks the recovery barge.

07:14 <XXCoder> too muchn f00f for mission

07:15 <Mat2ch> raptop: They could have used LUA to shoot themselves in the foot!

07:18 <raptop> possibly, though I'd expect that in the late-90s to mid-00s when the decision was made, JavaScript was more clearly the new hotness

07:19 <Mat2ch> I wouldn't be so sure if the computing stuff was one of the things that got fixed at the last point possible

07:22 <Mat2ch> They are using SSDs, so it must be newer

07:28 <raptop> You might be surprised: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20210005111

07:29 <Althego> galileo still used tape if i remember correctly

07:29 <Althego> cassino was only a bit newer

07:29 <raptop> Indeed it did

07:30 <raptop> Although Galileo was also supposed to launch in '86 or '87 and then sat in a warehouse for a bit...

07:32 <raptop> ah, may 1986

07:33 <Mat2ch> well, technically a magnetic-core memory is also a solid state disk...

07:35 <raptop> hah

07:36 <Althego> so after solids, can we make liquid and gas storage?

07:39 <raptop> Yes, also plasma storage

07:39 <raptop> obviously

07:40 <XXCoder> gases compressed to solid ;)

07:40 <Althego> sounds cool

07:40 <XXCoder> completing the circle

07:40 <Althego> plasma based datastorage

07:40 <Althego> metal hydrogen storage

07:41 <Mat2ch> if you use a plasma monitor and a camera... is that plasma storage?

07:41 <XXCoder> I remember one book had a energy matrix storage. it looks like crystal and grows when more storage is needed

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07:41 <Althego> we have something like that

07:41 <Althego> you cnagrow trees for energy storage

07:42 <Althego> and burn them to get back the nergy

07:55 <sandbox> cnagrow nergy

07:56 <Althego> start wandows ngrmadly

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08:00 <raptop> But if I set windows on fire, will I get energy?

08:06 <Mat2ch> No, but good conscience

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09:03 <Izzy> re: javascript spacecraft, the SpaceX capsules have all their controls implemented inside a web browser, don't they?

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09:04 <Althego> they still have a few buttons for emergencies

09:04 <Althego> but yes the controls are in a browser

09:06 <sandbox> !mission

09:06 <LunchBot> Prince Rupert's Drops seem neat, so you devise a way to achieve the same effect with a planet. You get rebuffed.

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10:43 <Mat2ch> Izzy: from what I've read they just use a subset of commands and they have their own interpreter

10:43 <Mat2ch> so it looks like JavaScript most of the time, but isn't really it.

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11:09 <FLHerne> Mat2ch: according to the reddit AMA a few years ago, it was literally Chromium https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/gxb7j1/we_are_the_spacex_software_team_ask_us_anything/ft5zou3/

11:10 <FLHerne> another relevant answer https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/gxb7j1/we_are_the_spacex_software_team_ask_us_anything/ft68jpb/

11:13 <Mat2ch> I sometimes wonder about the state of mind of my fellow software developers.

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11:36 <FLHerne> "This project started as a simulator prototype to showcase the design vision to NASA. We then attempted to run it on a flight hardware and with modifications it worked pretty well."

11:36 <FLHerne> lol

11:36 <FLHerne> I've had prototypes accidentally become the final product, but not on spacecraft

11:39 <Mat2ch> I really REALLY wonder about the state of mind of them.

11:39 <Mat2ch> You never do a mockup so good it can become the final product OR you do the mockup in a way that it can become the final product and not be on the edge of sane things to do.

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11:56 <FLHerne> I mean, it's just the UI

11:56 <FLHerne> JS is pretty good at being a UI really

11:57 <FLHerne> there's probably an order of magnitude more interaction with JS-based UIs than everything else put together

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12:15 <Izzy> kinda messed up that so much software is implemented inside documents huh

12:16 <Izzy> apparently excel has python support now, so you can have a full stack of cursed: excel "database", python webserver, document masquerading as software for the interface

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12:19 <Mat2ch> Izzy: Clear case of Featuritis. Modernizing a 20 year old server landscape will cure that.

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12:20 <Mat2ch> FLHerne: But even then it's a bad solution in my opinion. A webbrowser is extremly complex and you don't want to rely on complexity.

12:20 <Mat2ch> Simple and stupid, that's the way you should always take.

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13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> these days "modernizing server" means "put it in the cloud"

13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that makes it less complex :p

13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

13:22 <LunchBot> You cook up a really nice batch of random. You become obsessed with what you can convince your stove to burn... Large, unwieldy or inflammable objects of rubbish are graded highly, according to your success in convincing the stove to eat them.

13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> today is cooking day...

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22:27 <Azander> !mission

22:27 <LunchBot> You arrive on the Mun, only to discover that Scott Manley has beaten you there. The hatch is obscured.

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22:28 <darsie> .mission add You blast off to get a surface sample of Scott Manley.

22:28 <LunchBot> Added mission: You blast off to get a surface sample of Scott Manley.

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22:29 <darsie> .mission fixup s/Scott Manley/Scottmanley/

22:29 <LunchBot> New text is: You blast off to get a surface sample of Scottmanley.

22:30 <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meanings_of_minor_planet_names:_33001%E2%80%9334000#434

22:31 <darsie> https://www.spacereference.org/asteroid/33434-scottmanley-1999-fu

22:32 <darsie> Magnitude: 14.07 ... I should shoot it.

22:40 <darsie> Ahh, that's its absolute magnitude. Visual magnitude is 18.27, too dim for me.

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23:51 <packbart> Mat2ch: I think a widely used HTML/JS engine is no more complex than someone whipping up a custom UI with QT

23:57 <packbart> (and it seems to be a bit different in the JWST - https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/18/23206110/james-webb-space-telescope-javascript-jwst-instrument-control )