raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.1.3.0 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | bugfixes and capybara improvements
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<XXCoder> ;mission
<LunchBot> Due to recent major budget cuts, the KSC facility has been reduced to Gene's backyard, while his wife is not at the house. All the hot, sixties-looking girls defect to the Strong-Badian Administraion of Some Aluminum Foil to cheer on Space Captainface.
<XXCoder> aw no money no hot girls I guess?
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<FLHerne> no, before they were all at Gene's house while his wife was out
<FLHerne> but there's no space or privacy with KSC being based there
<XXCoder> oh boy
<FLHerne> .outcome The mantises are not impressed by your inferior artificial carapace.
<LunchBot> No outcome found matching "The mantises are not impressed by your inferior artificial carapace.".
<FLHerne> .outcome add The mantises are not impressed by your inferior artificial carapace.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: The mantises are not impressed by your inferior artificial carapace.
<XXCoder> pretty random
* FLHerne has been reading pulp sci-fi again :p
<Mat2ch> meh. I hate SEO, because it hides the useful information.
<Mat2ch> What was the maximum size of a ship that can be operated without a permanent crew?
<packbart> like the descriptions of Youtube videos that only consist of "click here for dealz" links?
<Mat2ch> Uh, you should at DeArrow: https://dearrow.ajay.app/
<packbart> doesn't help for the preview in Signal and other messengers
<Mat2ch> true
<FLHerne> Mat2ch: operated autonomously, or left at anchor uncrewed?
<Mat2ch> left at anchor uncrewed
<Mat2ch> There was a length limit. If you go above you can't leave the ship uncrewed at berth for example.
<Mat2ch> Some international code
<FLHerne> In the UK, most vessels up to 24m load line length seem exempt from STCW and thus requiring an anchor deck watch
<FLHerne> vessels with main propulsion under 3000kW son't
<FLHerne> don't require an engineering watch when moored
<FLHerne> vessels under 500GT don't need to file a minimum safe manning document, but I think still have to comply with requirements
<Mat2ch> I'm wondering if those are international code numbers. I think they are, at least the 24 m
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<Mat2ch> FLHerne: STCW seems to be an international standard. So load line length below 24 m will be fine.
* Mat2ch is planning his yacht he will never have
<Althego> lol
<Althego> do you have at least a lake nearby?
<Mat2ch> A river. But not suited for a 24m long yacht :D
<Mat2ch> There are cargo vessels driving there and in the middle of the fairway it could be deep enough, but the bridges are too shall most likely ;)
<Mat2ch> On the other hand, if I could afford such a boat, I'd live on it fulltime
<FLHerne> Mat2ch: if you want to discuss living on a boat, I live on a boat ;-)
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<Mat2ch> FLHerne: Narrowboat, Widebeam, river boat, sailing boat or yacht? ;)
<FLHerne> Small narrowboat
<Mat2ch> A short one then?
<FLHerne> my dad lived on a smallish yacht for a while, but mostly while propped up doing work on it
<FLHerne> narrowboats are more comfortable
<Mat2ch> that's a cutey!
<SporkWitch> yaughts are dumb; worst money i ever spent in GTA lol
<Mat2ch> and it does the Evergiven! :D
<SporkWitch> (though in fairness, none of the really cool stuff had even been announced yet, so tehre was nothing else to spend it on lol)
<FLHerne> I also muck about with a big ex-working pair sometimes https://www.flherne.uk/files/IMG_20230417_133249.jpg
<Mat2ch> I'm watching Cruising The Cut for some time now. Must be marvellous to have nature and water so close by all the time.
<Althego> is that a boat on the boat?
<FLHerne> the handling skills don't really carry over from one to the other
<Althego> and a garden gnome
<FLHerne> Mat2ch: oh, I might be on that next week :D
<FLHerne> David was out with us on Atlas & Malus recently
<SporkWitch> pedantic, but if it carries other boats, it's a ship (as a general rule)
<Mat2ch> FLHerne: You are? Wow! I'm really looking forward to it!
<FLHerne> Althego: yes
<Mat2ch> I'm going to go kajaking in a few days
<FLHerne> Althego: and a bicycle
<Mat2ch> already preparing all the luggage. Haven't been camping in a while, stuff needs some testing.
<Mat2ch> *kayaking
<Mat2ch> FLHerne: My "plan", if you want to call it that way, was to live on a sailboat and use it to sail around, wherever I want to.
<FLHerne> In what region?
<FLHerne> it's possible and I know people who've done it
<FLHerne> but a manageably-sized solo sailing boat *really* doesn't have a lot of living space
<Mat2ch> First the baltic sea
<Mat2ch> But first I've got to save money
<FLHerne> my 31ft narrowboat has about 3x more usable volume than Dad's 33ft sailing boat, because it's a box
<FLHerne> and not made entirely of sloping sides and pointy ends
<Mat2ch> and maybe start off with a small boat that's capable for a few daytrips first
<FLHerne> and frankly the usable volume of a 31ft narrowboat is a bit cramped to live in full-time
<Mat2ch> yeah, I'd probably need a bit bigger boat than 10 m
<FLHerne> also, visitors' mooring fees can be quite substantial at coastal marinas
<Mat2ch> true, especially in the high season
<FLHerne> sailing bigger than 10m will be hard work to crew single-handed, and cost even more in mooring fees
<Mat2ch> The plan is not to moor ;)
<FLHerne> that's sort of the 'standard' size for them IME, anything bigger and they assume you're rich
<Mat2ch> Or tall and want the headroom in the boat...
<FLHerne> then you'll have significant logistical problems
<FLHerne> carrying everything you need in your life by tender and being cut off when the weather's bad isn't very fun long-term
<Mat2ch> I'm having a worse time right now...
<FLHerne> also in many areas there are no reasonably sheltered anchorages outside harbour limits
<FLHerne> I don't know the Baltic though
<Mat2ch> not going out, because it's >30° for days and backing in the top floor apartment...
<FLHerne> you do get that on boats too
* FLHerne looks at thermometer
<FLHerne> 29.4° apparently
<FLHerne> it was about 32 yesterday
<FLHerne> and you can air-condition a flat, whereas you can't practically air-condition a boat
<Mat2ch> Waves never bothered me much
<FLHerne> it's less a "bothered" and more "get anything done"
<Mat2ch> also the Baltics doen't get that hot. Even on sunny days. And if it's sunny all day there's always wind due to the thermals
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<FLHerne> How much sailing experience do you have now?
<Mat2ch> A few weeks on the water
<FLHerne> my advice - as someone who considered pretty much that idea, decided it was impractical, and bought a narrowboat instead - is that it's not a practical idea
<Mat2ch> Have been sailing on and off for over 20 years
<Mat2ch> Would like to go more sailing, but the ocean is just not nearby
<FLHerne> in that type of craft?
<FLHerne> fair enough, that's more than the impression I was getting :p
<Mat2ch> In smaller boats usually
<Mat2ch> But I had my fair share of... uh, there's a thunderstorm coming and we should get somewhere safe soon...
<Mat2ch> nothing makes you cling to a boat more than black clouds running in
<Mat2ch> (we we did check the forecast, the storm was faster than expected)
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<FLHerne> .outcome add You set the network record for "longest time using IRC before realising there's more than one channel".
<LunchBot> Added outcome: You set the network record for "longest time using IRC before realising there's more than one channel".
<Mat2ch> And while we were talking about it, a new CrusingTheCut episode appeared.
<FLHerne> oh yeah, I'm in this one briefly :p
<Mat2ch> Will watch for dinner :)
<FLHerne> that's me on Atlas at 22:25 and 23:40
<Mat2ch> Thirty hour challenge, only time for 6 hours break, going as far as possible without breaking the speed limit. This sounds quiet hard with all the locks.
<darsie> scott
<Mat2ch> FLHerne: Did I hear correctly? It took 40 minutes to get through that tunnel?
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<FLHerne> The tunnel is almost 2 miles long
<FLHerne> and Atlas towing Malus is not particularly fast
<Mat2ch> At least you were in no danger of breaking the speed limit :)
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