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<Kopernicus> [Kopernicus] Maxybo commented on issue #179: ok thanks, i could not find any other reference in the logs for VertexColorMapBlend other than where the parsing error was, sorry no idea how to check or changes paths for this. Which cfg file would be of use?... https://git.io/vHHM2
<Kopernicus> [Kopernicus] Sigma88 commented on issue #179: you linked the "Moho" log file, I assume you have some cfg in gamedata that change moho... https://git.io/vHHDk
<Sigma88> 0/
<Kopernicus> [Kopernicus] Maxybo commented on issue #179: Found the issue thanks to your pointer, turned put i had missing textures from the KSPRC mod, once added all working now. Thanks again. https://git.io/vHHFv
<Kopernicus> [Kopernicus] Maxybo commented on issue #179: Found the issue thanks to your pointer, turned put i had missing textures from the KSPRC mod, once added all working now. Thanks again. https://git.io/vHHFv
<Sigma88> UmbralRaptor: remember the csv of stars you sent me?
<Sigma88> it goes up to 6000 something kelvin
<Sigma88> could you show me where you exported it? maybe there are more
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<GregroxMun> o/
<Sigma88> 0/
<Sigma88> I'm starting to regret rangemachine taking over TR
<Sigma88> kind of
<Sigma88> not rangemachine
<Sigma88> sorry
<GregroxMun> why?
<Sigma88> he doesn't seem to be very familiar with the concept of MM
<Sigma88> :D
<Sigma88> I meant HaArLiNsH
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<Qboid> [#14] title: TRR Config Structure Discussion | before I start working on the config structure I'd like to get a feel of what developers and users need / want... | https://github.com/HaArLiNsH/TextureReplacerReplaced/issues/14
<GregroxMun> that looks good to me
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: if you have some free time could you take a look if you can find mass/radius/temperature for all the Castor stars?
<GregroxMun> I could probably
<GregroxMun> https://pastebin.com/1MdA9PCZ So I had an idea for an American flag with the LGBT rainbow flag, but the blue patch with the stars would be filled with stars that have the rainbow colors as their peak wavelengths.
<GregroxMun> But then I decided against it because having all white stars sends the wrong message
<GregroxMun> Still a useful document for referencing peak wavlength vs color vs blackbody color vs spectral type vs temperature.
<Sigma88> !wa Castor Ab temperature
<Qboid> Sigma88: temperature | Castor, Av (Jewish calendar): (no data available for Castor during Av (Jewish calendar))
<Sigma88> wat?
<GregroxMun> Wikipedia doesn't list it
<GregroxMun> Nor Bb
<Sigma88> that's why I'm looking for it
<Sigma88> I managed to find the masses of all 6 stars
<GregroxMun> Wiki says its dM1e
<GregroxMun> so M1 class star?
<Sigma88> I still need radii and temperature for those not listed in wiki
<Sigma88> yes
<Sigma88> but there must be some kind of database somewhere that lists the temperature
<GregroxMun> The spectral types of the Ab and Bb stars are unknown for sure on account of them being really close and dim to their companions.
<Sigma88> damn
<Sigma88> from where?
<GregroxMun> I'm taking my numbers from the estimates given here.
<Sigma88> let me link you the paper with the masses
<GregroxMun> ok good because these mass numbers don't look right.
<Sigma88> these are the masses:
<Sigma88> Aa = 2.76 // Ab = 0.47 // Ba = 2.98 // Bb = 0.24
<Sigma88> Ca = 0.59 // Cb = 0.58
<Sigma88> !c 1.05e28/1.75656696858329e28d
<Qboid> 0.597756885322083
<Sigma88> that's the mass I used for Bb
<Sigma88> idk why
<Sigma88> castor is probably the first system I designed
<Sigma88> so it was due a fix
<GregroxMun> Here's the temp/mass/radius
<Sigma88> how did you come up with those?
<GregroxMun> Ab and Bb were partially filled in using tables of information for other stars.
<GregroxMun> As well as the solstation link
<Sigma88> so Bb is bigger, and hotter, but less massive?
<Sigma88> no sorry
<Sigma88> smaller and less massive
<Sigma88> but hotter
<Sigma88> right?
<GregroxMun> Apparently.
<GregroxMun> That's from solstation, and may be taken with some salt grains
<Sigma88> solstation?
<Sigma88> ah yes
<Sigma88> the link in the cfg
<GregroxMun> Oh you link there in the GN cfg?
<GregroxMun> I just googled it
<Sigma88> yes
<Sigma88> :)
<Sigma88> but it says the radius is "slightly less than sol"
<Sigma88> it also sais that Bb should weigh ~ 0.4 / 0.6 MSol
<Sigma88> "or even more"
<Sigma88> >_>
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<Sigma88> GregroxMun: for comparison, Gliese 317 has mass/radius/temperature = 0.243 / 0.302 / 3192
<GregroxMun> Yes I know it looks wonky
<GregroxMun> You don't need to convince me
<Sigma88> no, I just thought you might be interested
<Sigma88> that's all
<GregroxMun> oh ok
<Sigma88> you were pretty close after all
<GregroxMun> That's for Cab though, isn't it?
<Sigma88> no Bb
<GregroxMun> oh ok
<Sigma88> Ca and Cb are roughly 0.5 M
<Sigma88> even 0.6 iirc
<Sigma88> yup
<Sigma88> s/Ca =/Ca =
<Qboid> Sigma88 meant to say: Ca = 0.59 // Cb = 0.58
<GregroxMun> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomalhaut_b Fomalhaut b has a non-designation name: Dagon. I wasn't aware they were giving exoplanets names .
<Sigma88> is that an official name?
<GregroxMun> According to wiki, IAU recognizes it
<Sigma88> ah yes
<Thomas> \o
<Sigma88> 0/
<Thomas> Sigma88: What do you think about the SD comments in 158?
<Thomas> Tbh I think it's just sd being compiled against an old parser
<Sigma88> it could be
<Sigma88> #158
<Qboid> [#158] title: Kopernicus spams NRE's under Linux | Steps to reproduce.... | https://github.com/Kopernicus/Kopernicus/issues/158
<Sigma88> let me check
<GregroxMun> Thomas: Kopernicus Expansions when? :P
<Sigma88> lol
<Thomas> When Sigma confirms that the latest reports on 158 are just stupid users
<Sigma88> Thomas: the problem is, if that was a SD issue I would expect to see SD mentioned in the logs
<Thomas> Well, it's a parser issue
<Sigma88> but it's always "Kopernicus.something"
<Thomas> or rather external parser issue
<Thomas> and sd triggers the external parser
<Thomas> and I changed the signature of ParserTargetExternal so it fails
<Sigma88> ah wait
<Sigma88> it is mentioned
<Thomas> Because sd uses the release parser
<Sigma88> SpaceCenterFixer
<Sigma88> let me check what that does
<Thomas> and the test build is using the dev parser
<Sigma88> I think he must have something wrong
<Sigma88> because I think SD is throwing an error when it doesn't find the homeplanet
<Sigma88> here
<Sigma88> it's literally the only line that can throw an error
<Thomas> Because there are no planets
<Thomas> the parser literally dies
<Thomas> while loading planets
<Sigma88> let me check the MM
<Sigma88> sorry I have no idea
<Sigma88> can't see why it would die
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: any idea of what this means? MA sin3 i (M⊙) . . . . . . . . . 0.5938 ± 0.0046
<Sigma88> MA is Mass of "A"
<Sigma88> what's sin^3 i ?
<Sigma88> !g sin^3 i
<Qboid> Sigma88: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC133546/ [Role of the Sin3-Histone Deacetylase Complex in Growth ...] (78000000 results found, took 0.73s)
<Sigma88> !wa sin^3 i
<Qboid> Sigma88: sin^3() = - sinh^3(1)
<GregroxMun> Sin^3 means sine function cubed, if my Precalc Trig from High School is memorized properly
<GregroxMun> so Sin^3 X would be like, (Sin X)^3
<Sigma88> yes that's what I thought
<Sigma88> but what does that have to do with i and mass
<Sigma88> ?
<Sigma88> I guess i is sqrt(-1) ?
<Sigma88> idk
<GregroxMun> I don't know either
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<GregroxMun> Sigma88: where is that sin3i thing coming from?
<GregroxMun> OH
<GregroxMun> it could be a thing regarding its position in the sky
<teabot> Positeaon.
<GregroxMun> bc that's angles.
<GregroxMun> or maybe not, idk.
<Thomas> <Sigma88> can't see why it would die -> because parser changed and the data that is compiled into sd isnt valid anymore
<Sigma88> Thomas: ok so I just tell him to roll back to the old SD for 1.2.2?
<Sigma88> or are you using an even newer parser?
<Thomas> No, you update SD to the newest parser version when I release 1.3.0-3
<Thomas> Yes
<Thomas> The build they got was newer
<Sigma88> ok
<GregroxMun> Sigma88: I think the sin3i thing is just mass.
<Sigma88> at the very end
<GregroxMun> wiki lists Ca and Cb as 0.5992 and 0.5971 respectively, the paper you linked has Msin^3 i as 0.5938 and 0.5971 respectively.
<GregroxMun> I don't know what that pasteb.in is
<Sigma88> the pastebin is the last bit of the paper
<Sigma88> page 16
<Sigma88> before all the pics
<Sigma88> 5992 is the mean mass
<Sigma88> not the Ca mass
<Sigma88> wiki dun goofed
<Sigma88> what I don't understand is
<Sigma88> why mass of Ca is lower than Cb?
<Sigma88> >_>
<GregroxMun> this is also true of Aa and Ba
<Sigma88> yes, but on the wiki, even if Aa > Ba
<Sigma88> soryr
<Sigma88> Aa<Ba
<Sigma88> but
<Sigma88> Aa+Ab > Ba+Bb
<Sigma88> so I think the nomenclature goes
<Sigma88> Castor
<Sigma88> Castor A+ Castor B + Castor C
<Sigma88> and then lists all 6
<Sigma88> which means Castor A > Castor B
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: look at table 8 >.<
<Sigma88> there is a crapton of possible values for mass and radius
<Sigma88> my brain hurts
<Sigma88> hmmm the article cited on wiki for the temperature of the stars has been published april's 1st 1974
<Sigma88> I'm not sure what is more worring
<Sigma88> apr 1st
<Sigma88> or 1974
<Sigma88> >_>
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<Kopernicus> [Kopernicus] StollD pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vH7tq
<Kopernicus> Kopernicus/master 429db48 thomas-jenkins: Kopernicus 1.3.0-3 - "Nothing-to-see-here Edition"
<Thomas> Okay, Kopernicus release: Check
<Thomas> I will ignore the Kopernicus thread and write up a Kopernicus Expansion OP now :P
<Thomas> GregroxMun: ^
<Thomas> GregroxMun: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/162036-130-122-kopernicus-expansion-rekerjiggered-release-1-13-jun/
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<Sigma88> thomas congrats on the release :)
<Sigma88> oh god you put the procedural fart giants in there
<Sigma88> >_>
<Thomas> fanboy protection
<Thomas> removing the aliens will cause enough hate, lol
<Sigma88> were there ppl using those?
<Sigma88> ugh, you even put it in the tag
<Sigma88> should add a tag "noaliens"
<Sigma88> :D
<Thomas> aliensgohome
<GregroxMun> Where can I get the compatible Kopernicus?
<GregroxMun> Thomas
<Thomas> From github
<GregroxMun> I'm gonna try LavaLaythe with KopX glow map.
<Sigma88> that might be interesting
<GregroxMun> Thomas, is this the proper path for configuring a glow map: Kopernicus/Body/KopernicusExpansion/EmissiveFX/Configuration ?
<Thomas> No
<GregroxMun> what is it then
<Thomas> For PQS: Kopernicus/Body/PQS/Mods/EmissiveFX/(color, brightness, transparency), for ScaledSpace Kopernicus/Body/ScaledVersion/EmissiveOverlay/(emissiveMap, color, brightness, transparency)
<Sigma88> lol
<GregroxMun> Sigma88: can you send me an alpha map for Laythe?
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: I think my orbits for K-stor are a bit small
<Sigma88> this is Kstor b
<Sigma88> :D
<GregroxMun> oh my
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: I think you can just put the colormap
<Sigma88> I think thomas made it so it loads the alpha map automatically
<Sigma88> unless you specify one
<Sigma88> I'll need to check the code
<Sigma88> in the meantime
<Sigma88> if you put the colormap in the dropbox folder I can extract the alpha layer
<Sigma88> I don't have it anymore
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<GregroxMun> yeah emissive ocean isn;t working
<Sigma88> can I see the cfg?
<Sigma88> mm cache file
<Sigma88> that's better
<GregroxMun> just the laythe portion of the cache
<Sigma88> are you sure you need .png ?
<Sigma88> ah yes
<Sigma88> it's plugindata
<Sigma88> try without that
<Sigma88> just color / brightness / transparency
<Sigma88> wait
<Sigma88> let me check the code
<Sigma88> !g kopernicusexpansioncontinued
<Qboid> Sigma88: No results found for "kopernicusexpansioncontinued"
<Sigma88> !g kopernicus expansion continued
<Qboid> Sigma88: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/119211-wip-kopernicus-expansion-v02-comets-footprints-new-pqsmods-for-kopernicus/ [[WIP] Kopernicus Expansion v0.2: comets, footprints, new PQSMods ...] (121 results found, took 0.43s)
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: do you have a link to the source?
<Sigma88> idk
<Sigma88> try with a custom map
<Sigma88> if it works I'll export you one
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: remember how small kstor was? well.... kind of
<GregroxMun> yes
<GregroxMun> oh wow
<Sigma88> that's the sun
<GregroxMun> that's sub-interstellar distances for you
<GregroxMun> I see the stars in the backgroun
<Sigma88> kstor is in the background
<GregroxMun> separate dots
<Sigma88> yes but kstor C is a bit too much far away
<Sigma88> :D
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: refresh the image
<Sigma88> I've added labels
<GregroxMun> is that out of scale?
<Sigma88> I didn't change the orbits
<GregroxMun> from previous or from realistic?
<Sigma88> from GN
<GregroxMun> oh, so C was always too far out?
<Sigma88> iirc GN had the correct ratio of SMA
<Sigma88> no
<Sigma88> it's just too close
<Sigma88> :D
<Sigma88> Ceres from RSSx was in another star SOI iirc
<GregroxMun> do you mean Sedna?
<Sigma88> yeah sorry
<Sigma88> I'm tired
<Sigma88> I don't even want to imagine where P9 would end up
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: here are listed orbital parameters for castor
<Sigma88> what does the ' mean?
<Sigma88> Semi-major axis (a) = 7.369″
<Sigma88> is that AU ?
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<Sigma88> !g 0.1AU in meters
<Qboid> Sigma88: http://www.unitconverters.net/length/astronomical-unit-to-meter.htm [Convert Astronomical Unit to Meter] (1300 results found, took 0.55s)
<Sigma88> !wa 0.1AU in meters
<Qboid> Sigma88: convert 0.1 au (astronomical units) to meters: 1.5×10^10 meters
<Sigma88> !wa 1.5e10/13599840256d
<Qboid> Sigma88: (1.5×10^10)/(13599840256 days): 1.103 per day
<Sigma88> !c 1.5e10/13599840256d
<Qboid> 1.10295413164006
<Sigma88> so kerbin is closer than earth?
<Sigma88> !wa earth semimajoraxis in meters
<Qboid> Sigma88: convert Earth | semimajor axis to meters: 1.49597887×10^11 meters
<Sigma88> !c 1.49597887e10 * 0.022
<Qboid> 329115351.4
<GregroxMun> yeah, Kerbin SMA isn't equal to 0.1 AU
<Sigma88> I thought it was smaller than that
<Sigma88> ah yes
<Sigma88> derp
<Sigma88> :D
<Sigma88> I'm tired
<Sigma88> turns out that castor Ab SMA is 0.022 AU
<Sigma88> they are pretty close
<Sigma88> and C is over 1100 AU
<Sigma88> >_>
<Sigma88> so probably it wasn't to scale :D
<Sigma88> !c 2.9283*24*3600
<Qboid> 253005.12
<Sigma88> !wa sun mass in kg
<Qboid> Sigma88: convert Sun | mass to kilograms: 1.988435×10^30 kg (kilograms)
<Sigma88> !wa sun radius in meters
<Qboid> Sigma88: convert Sun | average radius to meters: 6.957×10^8 meters
<Sigma88> !wa sun radius
<Qboid> Sigma88: Sun | average radius: 695700 km (kilometers)
<Sigma88> !wa 8848830046m to AU
<Qboid> Sigma88: convert 8848830046 meters to astronomical units: 0.05915 au (astronomical units)
<Sigma88> GregroxMun: now I remember, the two close binaries are so close that I used solar radii to set the distance
<Sigma88> !c 1.47554E+12 / 57750000000
<Qboid> 25.5504761904762
<Sigma88> soooooo
<Sigma88> castor A - B semimajoraxis is 25 times bigger than what it is in GN
<Sigma88> in proportion
<Sigma88> they are very far
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