<packbart>
ah, ok, they roughly followed the book, it seems. I thought we'd been up to Season 5 already, covering Book #4. I was wrong
<packbart>
yeah, I'm currently listening to the audio book series
<JVFoxy>
ah
<JVFoxy>
I read the first Eragon book.. it was a gift from co-worker ages ago.. then saw the movie. One of the times I got to compare to the two... other one was Golden Compass (I read all 3 books, though it took me a while to aquire)
<umaxtu>
don't get me wrong, the actor that plays Avasarala does a fantastic job, but the character loses something without the potty mouth
<JVFoxy>
you get a sense of her attitude in the series. I might end up a little turned off if she'd did fire her mouth off more
<Mat2ch>
umaxtu: JVFoxy: Reference to the boom lifts. ;)
<JVFoxy>
Mat2ch: ok.. what's the cherry picker boom cage thing doing? I'm not sure see connection with 'booming'?
<Mat2ch>
JVFoxy: I call it "booming", because from the distance it looks like they are doing something with the boom lifts themselfs on SN8.
<Mat2ch>
Think of it like "inspecting" or "repairing"
<JVFoxy>
ok.. different kind of 'boom'... was thinking explody boom type
<Mat2ch>
:)
<Mat2ch>
it looks like they are inspecting the cableing?
<JVFoxy>
cursor over the link, shows youtube link like it should. Copy it, then paste shows long garbage..
<Rokker>
oh btw JVFoxy a friend of mine is uploading videos of a livestream tour of the air force museum i did if you wanna check em out
<JVFoxy>
Rokker: ya.. sad about Yeager too. Friend gave me a heads up. I had someone reply to a comment I made on youtube about him a few weeks ago. It was a clip of his cameo in The Right Stuff.
<JVFoxy>
Rokker: sorry.. which one?
<Rokker>
the National Museum of the USAF
<Rokker>
in Dayton
Azander has joined #KSPOfficial
<JVFoxy>
ah..
<Mat2ch>
oh, in the NASA Spaceflight stream they just said that the target altitude of 15 km got lowered due to high wind zones there
<Mat2ch>
so they stay below that to get a more predictable fliggt
<Mat2ch>
*flight
<Tristen_Simon>
We don't want them to lose control and spin like a helicopter and hit the ground at Mach 3 unlike how we do in Kerbal Space Program
<Mat2ch>
SN8 venting
<Rokker>
they lowered it to 12.5 sometime last week
<Mat2ch>
And some kind of car just drove by
<Tank2333>
still no official stream?
<JVFoxy>
Rokker: just looking at some pics, was just curious. I'm not too big on fighter/air force stuff.
<JVFoxy>
I mean. .there are some stuff, but .. eh I don't know these days
<Tank2333>
JV how dare you
<Rokker>
we have the fastest X-15
<Rokker>
aka fastest plane in the world
<Rokker>
shoo
<Tank2333>
its more a rocket though
<Rokker>
nah
<Rokker>
its got wings
<Tank2333>
does it lift off from a runway?
<Mat2ch>
Then the Space Shuttle was faster. :D
<Tank2333>
on its own power
<Mat2ch>
stupid nitpickers here!
<Mat2ch>
;)
<Tristen_Simon>
The space shuttle is technically a space plane and not a spaceship
<JVFoxy>
Karmen Line...
<JVFoxy>
Spaceshuttle: launches like a rocket, floats in space like a spaceship, lands like a plane... jack of all trades
<Tristen_Simon>
Wasn't the space shuttle carried upwards into the sky by another plane?
<Tank2333>
for testing yes
<Tristen_Simon>
ah
<JVFoxy>
shuttle transport plane.. it was drop tested, acted more like a glider.
<JVFoxy>
first flights were with an aerodynamic fairing. Later ones, it was removed, and engine bells exposed to see what the drag was like
<JVFoxy>
the fairing was kept for when the shuttle got transported during its operations
<Tristen_Simon>
and then once that was done, it launched straight up, put a satellite into orbit, and came back down AND LANDED ON A RUNWAY?! That must've taken a freaking BUNCH of aero-braking.
<Tristen_Simon>
Or parachutes
<Tristen_Simon>
Depending on whether it moved relative to the Earth's rotation, or to the opposite.
<JVFoxy>
flaming belly aerobraking.... (geez, almost was going to say aerobreaking.. that woudn't be good)
<Tristen_Simon>
If it moved to the opposite, then there would've been more atmospheric pressure and drag, because the air and the atmosphere are moving one way, and the space shuttle is moving the opposite direction to it.
<Tristen_Simon>
don't break the air that's not good
<JVFoxy>
retro orbits aren't really done
<Tristen_Simon>
what's a retro-orbit
<Tristen_Simon>
it says it's a radiation disease
<Mat2ch>
JVFoxy: except by Israel... :D
<JVFoxy>
orbiting the opposite direction the planet spins..
<Tristen_Simon>
oh
<JVFoxy>
Mat2ch well right... forgot about them. Though its not like they much choice..
<Tristen_Simon>
Mat2ch wait what
<JVFoxy>
polar orbits are a touch retro.. only cuz it helps to move the orbit around so its somewhat in line with the sun
<Mat2ch>
Tristen_Simon: that's the only way they can launch rockets from their country without going over another country
<Mat2ch>
also SN8 is venting
<Mat2ch>
but slowly
<JVFoxy>
well you could launch straight up.. although its not exactly.. efficient.
<Tristen_Simon>
oh
<Mat2ch>
JVFoxy: I guess then going retrograde is more efficient
JVFoxy has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<Tristen_Simon>
If you want an orbit, use SRBs to get out of the atmosphere, then use LFE to get into orbit so that way you can control your thrust
<Tristen_Simon>
and how elliptical of an orbit you want
JVFoxy has joined #KSPOfficial
<Tristen_Simon>
But, to escape Earth's Sphere of Influence, you're gonna want a few more SRBs to go after you decouple your LFE you used to get into orbit.
* JVFoxy
pokes net connection
<JVFoxy>
chances of them calling it off due to hydrolic issues?
<Tristen_Simon>
That would suck
<JVFoxy>
no.. it would suck if they launched and wings just flapped randomly
<Tristen_Simon>
But, better to be safe than sorry
<Tristen_Simon>
Then Starship gon go spin
Ezriilc has joined #KSPOfficial
<Tristen_Simon>
or just plummet back towards the Earth
<JVFoxy>
I know the Atlas rocket for Apollo was somewhat rushed. They do pressure testing like they do today or..?
<Tristen_Simon>
We need fins because it helps control the ship's steering and direction.
<Tristen_Simon>
They do pressure testing a lot more seriously now and take the time to do it
<JVFoxy>
not so much steering but I think more pitch, angle. Steering you would need to roll the body, have a tail fin
<Tristen_Simon>
They won't release a launch date or launch at all if atmospheric pressure is too high
<Tristen_Simon>
yeah that's what i mean
<Tristen_Simon>
there's so many people here but barely anybody's talking
Tristen_Simon has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
JVFoxy has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
Tristen_Simon has joined #KSPOfficial
<Tristen_Simon>
i have returned
<Tristen_Simon>
hello
<Mod9000>
Hello, Tristen_Simon
<Tristen_Simon>
halo
hnOsmium0001 has joined #KSPOfficial
Deddly has joined #KSPOfficial
JVFoxy has joined #KSPOfficial
<Tank2333>
tristen welcome to irc
<Tristen_Simon>
yes
<Tristen_Simon>
I have a question
<Tank2333>
this is the way it was and ever will be
<Tristen_Simon>
How are Kerbals so stupid, but they're able to understand Rocket Science more than we can.
<Tank2333>
behind the scenes its all different
<Tristen_Simon>
wdym
Deddly has quit [Client Quit]
<Tank2333>
wdym? is that a code for something?
<Tristen_Simon>
what do you mean (wdym)
<flayer>
Tank2333, you should have gone: "wdym? wdym?"
<Tristen_Simon>
i gotta go
Tristen_Simon has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<Tank2333>
that was a fast goodby
Jebediah_Kerman has joined #KSPOfficial
<Jebediah_Kerman>
aloH
<sandbox>
hola
<flayer>
hey tristen
<sandbox>
gone
<flayer>
he's back
<sandbox>
so it is
<Jebediah_Kerman>
oy yos iS
<Jebediah_Kerman>
beJ res odneignif yotsE
<Jebediah_Kerman>
odneicid yotse euq ol sadneitne on etnemelbaborP
<Jebediah_Kerman>
Translation: Hello. It is me. I'm pretending to be Jeb. You probably don't understand what I'm saying. (It's reversed Spanish)
<Althego>
maybe try reversing it like this
<Althego>
sᴉɥʇ ǝʞᴉl ʇᴉ ƃuᴉsɹǝʌǝɹ ʎɹʇ ǝqʎɐɯ
<Jebediah_Kerman>
how do i do that
Jebediah_Kerman has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<JVFoxy>
lol.. RUD
<JVFoxy>
crazy elon..?
Tristen_Simon has joined #KSPOfficial
<Tristen_Simon>
im back
<Tristen_Simon>
flayer how did you do that upside down text
<JVFoxy>
Didn't Scott get a space body named after him?
<JebediahKerman>
you know you can just look upside down
<JebediahKerman>
¿pıp ǝɥ
<JVFoxy>
I can read it backwards, upside down.. its not /that/ hard
<JVFoxy>
ya.. video was a while back.
<JebediahKerman>
¿ɯıɥ ɹǝʇɟɐ pǝɯɐu ʇoƃ ʇɐɥʍ
<JVFoxy>
In recognition for his work as a popular science communicator, asteroid 33434 Scottmanley was named after him. The official naming citation was published by the Minor Planet Center on 18 May 2019 (M.P.C. 114954).
<Tank2333>
nice
<JebediahKerman>
ohhh
<Tank2333>
he deserved it :)
<JebediahKerman>
who's scott
<Althego>
hehe
<JebediahKerman>
is he a KSP developer or a kerbal
<JVFoxy>
he's reading off speeds.. I still remember when Apollo did that, it was read off as ft/s... brain can't figure that scale out yet other than for vertical speed in aircraft
<TwistenX>
what
<TwistenX>
are you talking about the physics and pressure project?
<Tank2333>
my cat sunk into the ground
<JVFoxy>
watching the stream, guys replying to questions
<TwistenX>
we're doing m/s and km/s in the final project because that's what KSP uses
<Rokker>
I'm gonna point out that when canada converted to metric they almost killed a hundred people
<TwistenX>
they're numbered by diameter in mm
<Althego>
estimation is totally learned, so you can learn to estimate in any unit
<Rokker>
METRIFICATION KILLS
<TwistenX>
they also have a population of millions out of a hundred dead
<Rokker>
almost*
<JVFoxy>
... I could see someone saying, "I only use the width of my finger to measure everything. I'm getting tired of all your scales"
<Rokker>
TwistenX: why do you hate Air Canada passengers?
<Tank2333>
Metric is good because it works in all scales with the same base
<Tank2333>
or so
* Tank2333
feels sorry for starting a Metric war
<Althego>
at least something is happening
<deadmind>
snakes work in all scales
<deadmind>
we should just use snakes/sec
<Althego>
it is a pointless war, since metric already won
<TwistenX>
Canada: *has 37.59 million population* Canada: *switches to metric system and 100 people die* Canada: "that's ok we still have lots of people" Rokker: "We're all gonna die!"
<Rokker>
honestly I think people make a bigger deal about metric-imperial than it really is
<Althego>
just backward places like usa keep hanging to imperial
<TwistenX>
I started the war WDYM
<TwistenX>
I said we're gonna used m/s and km/s in KSP2D and then this started
<Tank2333>
TwistenX well i pinged rokker fully aware of what would happen
<JVFoxy>
... there was that UFO sim game.. they used their own esoteric scales
<TwistenX>
Rokker i only been on wilson airlines
<Rokker>
if metric users were really concerned about ease of use and stuff then yall would stop using km/h
<TwistenX>
i've only been on a commercial airline once
<Rokker>
thats a sad existence
<TwistenX>
like, 6 years ago, when i went to Texa
<Rokker>
go ride some planes
<TwistenX>
Texas*
<Rokker>
also
<TwistenX>
but there's a travel ban
<Rokker>
the aviation industry uses imperial
<TwistenX>
and they're really expensive
<Rokker>
internationally
<TwistenX>
metric still better tho
<Rokker>
then why don't planes use it
<Rokker>
checkmate
<TwistenX>
cuz they're dumb
<TwistenX>
checkmate
<Rokker>
planes are smarter than y
<Tank2333>
Rokker napolion tried to get rid of the 60 seconds minute, but it was too much
<Rokker>
u
<TwistenX>
planes don't understand rocket science
<Althego>
yes i think that can stay
<TwistenX>
checkmate
<Althego>
annoying to use
<Althego>
but it is too hard to change it
<Rokker>
napoleon tried to get rid of russia too, look how that worked out for him
<JVFoxy>
rocket planes.. or aka superplanes
<TwistenX>
russia
armed_troop has quit [Ping timeout: 194 seconds]
<Rokker>
metric is for countries that don't know how to land people on the moon
<Tank2333>
in russia russia gets rid of you
<TwistenX>
i tried to show people the progress i'm making on my KSP2D but it ended up starting Metric/Imperial Warfare.
<packbart>
so, like the US? they don't know how to land on the moon anymore, either. scnr :)
<packbart>
the knowledge is gone by now
<TwistenX>
NASA just gave up on space
<Althego>
and by the speed sls is developed, china will be there fastser in this round :)
<Tank2333>
TwistenX often things end up in a metric war
<TwistenX>
they just decided that it's Elon Musk's responsibility now
<packbart>
I say, SLS is not supposed to fly ever
<JVFoxy>
there's no pressure like with moon race.. derp
<Althego>
but elon may skip the moon and go to mars directly
<TwistenX>
Now it's a Mars race
<TwistenX>
U.S.A. vs. China
<JVFoxy>
moon not worth it? riiiiight
<Althego>
and let the lobby people do the lobby launcher and lobby lander for the moon
<packbart>
there's not much to do on the Moon
<JVFoxy>
rather see us do moon as a learning step before mars
<TwistenX>
Falcon Heavy vs. Falcon 9 (Made in China version)
<Rokker>
HOW MANY INCHES PER HOUR DO I NEED TO TRAVEL FOR ORBIT
<Tank2333>
i guess all the plans for the artemis programm will be shuffled again with this new administration, SLS will be new designed to use MEthan! for Mars! by 2026
<TwistenX>
21360 inches/h
<Rokker>
thats definitely not right
<TwistenX>
then you need to have a equatorial speed of 21360 inches/h for a low-earth orbit
<Rokker>
1.1 million inches per hour
<TwistenX>
earth's gravity is 386 inches per second
<Rokker>
ur wayyyy off
<TwistenX>
386*60=21360
<Rokker>
what
<Rokker>
thats not how math works
<Althego>
wrong units
<TwistenX>
i used a calculator wdym
<Tank2333>
lol
<Althego>
cant be inches per second, that is speed
<Rokker>
7.8 km/s
<Rokker>
right?
<Tank2333>
yeah
<TwistenX>
oh im stupid i had to do 386*60*60
<TwistenX>
bruh
<Althego>
!calc 386*60*60
<Kerbot>
Althego => 1389600
<Althego>
behold
<TwistenX>
woah there's a calc command?
<TwistenX>
poggers
<Althego>
not that it sees much use here
<Tank2333>
we had muh more fun things in here back in teh old days
<TwistenX>
ok
<Rokker>
the wb-57 is gonna be watching the launch
<Althego>
so what are they doing now? poking around a huge shiny metal rod
<Althego>
just let it fly
<Tank2333>
i guess no launch today?
<TwistenX>
Hey, Vsauce! Michael here. Red was not An Impostor. Or was he? *Vsauce theme*
<Rokker>
they are unhooking the flaps
<TwistenX>
hi herbert
TwistenX is now known as herbert
<herbert>
eeeee
<herbert>
e
<packbart>
miles per megadarwins per minute
herbert is now known as ReliantBetterThanSwivel
<ReliantBetterThanSwivel>
ok
<Tank2333>
wtf is "a" darwin
<ReliantBetterThanSwivel>
SWEAR WORD
ReliantBetterThanSwivel is now known as ReliantBetterSwivel
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
ok does this nick better
<Tank2333>
im sorry my lord for that i have have sinned,
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
Now, it's time for you to PERISH
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
also
<Althego>
the hubble constant has a strange unit
* Tank2333
perrishes
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
"Reliant" is better than "Swivel." -ReliantBetterSwivel
<Tank2333>
Althego isnt that the expanding universe acceleration thingy?
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
how do you do those star thing
<packbart>
I like the Pug from Missing History
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
bro my cat just kissed me'
<Mat2ch>
oh no, they are booming it again :P
<Althego>
that is a kiss of death, the cat wants to kill you
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
kerbal-boom
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
u o
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
but it's sleeping on my lap and purring
<Althego>
i almost always use the swivel, because it swivels :)
armed_troop has joined #KSPOfficial
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
what does swivel mean
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
I like "Reliant" because it's reliable XD
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
and because it has more thrust
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
and oxidizer usage
<Althego>
it is slightly ebtter just by engien paramters
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
ye
<Althego>
but the lack of gimbaling makes it a lot worse in practice
<Althego>
i am not going to put fins on a rocket if i can avoid it
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
y tho
<Tank2333>
oh the LV-T30
JVFoxy has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<Tank2333>
wich version did they name the engines?
JVFoxy has joined #KSPOfficial
<Althego>
in star trek 2 there is a battle between the reliant and the enterprise :)
<mrBlaQ>
enough with the cranes just launch the dang thing
<mrBlaQ>
something's gotta blow
<Althego>
the nameing happened years ago :)
<Tank2333>
i know, i do feel old but i would like to know how old :)
<Althego>
i started without names too
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
LV-T30 is Swivel
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
LV-T45 is Reliant
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
I literally have the name of every stock KSP part written down for KSP2D
<Tank2333>
LV-T30 "Reliant" Liquid Fuel Engine
<Tank2333>
from the wiki
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
oh dang it i mixed it up
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
fricc
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
did you guys check out the KSP2D soundtrack
<JVFoxy>
reliant.. swivel... bells on those makes me think of two versions of raptor engines
<ReliantBetterSwivel>
Reliant and Swivel do sound like engine names
<Althego>
i think of star trek and an old game (swiv)
<JVFoxy>
vector is the shuttle main engines
ReliantBetterSwivel is now known as Kerbodyne
jazzkutya has joined #KSPOfficial
<Kerbodyne>
and kerbodyne engines and fuel tanks
<Kerbodyne>
there aren't any ore engines tho
<Kerbodyne>
there's ore tanks
<Kerbodyne>
no ore engines
<Tank2333>
ore?
<Tank2333>
like iron ore
<Kerbodyne>
Yeah, ore is a material in KSP
<mrBlaQ>
is that a flight qualified tie down strap on the port flap
<JVFoxy>
lol... ore engines
<JVFoxy>
was that mood dust powered engine, but its a mod
<Kerbodyne>
y do we get ore tanks but no ore engines
<JVFoxy>
.. moon.. ugh this whole thing is a mood but anyways
<Tank2333>
Kerbodyne what would thos ore engines do?
<Kerbodyne>
IT'S THE MUN
<packbart>
well, you could patch the nuke engine to "burn" ore
<Kerbodyne>
They'd probably be turned into solid fuel or liquid fuel maybe?
<Kerbodyne>
OH
<JVFoxy>
iron fusion.. ya considering the sun can't fuse heavy metal elements.. think we can?
<Tank2333>
Go to Cern for that
<JVFoxy>
fuse lead.. make gold
<Kerbodyne>
What if Ore Engines burn the ore in the Ore Tanks and it gets transported to the SRBs with a Fuel Transporter?!
<Tank2333>
that is devils work
<JVFoxy>
I wanna see solid fuel tanks
<Kerbodyne>
yes
Shoe has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
<Kerbodyne>
SFTs
<JVFoxy>
stackable SRBs
<Althego>
so everyday astronaut started his stream too
<Kerbodyne>
Kerbot
<packbart>
the sun could fuse iron, iirc. it's just doesn't make a profit
<Kerbodyne>
well yeah the Sun don't need profit
<Kerbodyne>
it's just gonna kill us all in 5 billion years
<Tank2333>
packbart when it fuses iron its more like an investment in the future
<packbart>
entropy is going to kill us all, eventually
<Tank2333>
for more profit
<Tank2333>
now im sad
<JVFoxy>
death taxes entropy...
<Tank2333>
didnt know that
Kerbodyne is now known as LV-T30_Reliant
<LV-T30_Reliant>
Finally I got this nick to work
<LV-T30_Reliant>
Why am I changing my nick so much
<JVFoxy>
bored?
<LV-T30_Reliant>
yeah
<Tank2333>
fidn a job
<LV-T30_Reliant>
Im 13
<LV-T30_Reliant>
wdym
<Tank2333>
even better
<Tank2333>
the arly bird...
<LV-T30_Reliant>
u wot m8
<Tank2333>
early
<LV-T30_Reliant>
i have school
<Tank2333>
onyl because you have no job
<LV-T30_Reliant>
BRO IM 13 I CANT HAVE A JOB
<Tank2333>
work for my retirement! now!
<LV-T30_Reliant>
nah
<LV-T30_Reliant>
i don't want to
JVFoxy has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<Tank2333>
what about the american dream?
<LV-T30_Reliant>
keep dreaming
<LV-T30_Reliant>
it's not happening
<Tank2333>
wash some dishes and become a millionare
<LV-T30_Reliant>
imagine that happens
<Tank2333>
ive seen that,
<Tank2333>
in the movies
<LV-T30_Reliant>
wot
<Tank2333>
its real
<LV-T30_Reliant>
in movies
<LV-T30_Reliant>
bru
<Tank2333>
well elon musk kinda did it
<Tank2333>
:)
JVFoxy has joined #KSPOfficial
<LV-T30_Reliant>
elon musk didn't become a millionare by washing dishes
<JVFoxy>
so.. 3pm I hear?
<LV-T30_Reliant>
ok
<LV-T30_Reliant>
...
<Tank2333>
he was behind paypal and sold his part of it and with that he started making rokets
<LV-T30_Reliant>
ah
LV-T30_Reliant is now known as yes
<yes>
or no
<yes>
or no
<yes>
#kspofficial
<Mat2ch>
no
yes is now known as no
<no>
or yes
no is now known as _
<_>
ok
<_>
i gtg
<_>
bye
_ has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<Mat2ch>
uh, well
<JVFoxy>
wasn't expecting this big of a delay. Bad enough i didn't sleep yet
<Althego>
there is always a delay
<JVFoxy>
spacex said 8amPST.. coming up to 11am. Now they pushing till 1pm
<JVFoxy>
lol.. 114k still waiting on that channel
<JVFoxy>
but anyways
<JVFoxy>
I'mma rest a little, otherwise I'm going to be too out of it by the time they test
<Mat2ch>
Have a good sleep
<JVFoxy>
thanks.. will try
JVFoxy has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<Althego>
after hours of delay, it is going to happen on the next day :)
Tristen_Simon has joined #KSPOfficial
<Tristen_Simon>
I have returned.
Tristen_Simon is now known as TwistenX
<TwistenX>
Wanna start another Metric/Imperial War? :D
<TwistenX>
Tank2333 You there?
<TwistenX>
Mat2ch?
<TwistenX>
Rokker is back!
<TwistenX>
helo?
<Tank2333>
damn did i miss it?
<TwistenX>
miss what
<Tank2333>
Starship
<Tank2333>
hop
<TwistenX>
idk
<TwistenX>
i was doing schoolwork
<TwistenX>
IDK if it's launched yet
<Tank2333>
no
<TwistenX>
hold on brb
TwistenX has quit [Client Quit]
<UmbralDrone>
...
<Tank2333>
hi raptor
<UmbralDrone>
hi
<Mod9000>
Hello, UmbralDrone
<Rokker>
Tank2333: no
<Rokker>
still waitinf
<Tank2333>
yeah
<Rokker>
Tank2333: we have at least an hour until the observation plane takes off
TwistenX has joined #KSPOfficial
<TwistenX>
K, I'm back
<TwistenX>
So, Starship hasn't launched yet?
<Tank2333>
i see
<TwistenX>
BTW, what is Starship's mission?
<Tank2333>
fly to around 12km and land
<TwistenX>
Oh
<Tank2333>
not sure if it will belly flip
<TwistenX>
That's just 2km above the atmosphere
<Tank2333>
12... not 102
<Tank2333>
the karman line is around 100km
<Tank2333>
playnes fly around 10km for cruising
<TwistenX>
Why is Kerbin, like 10x smaller than Earth, but it's atmosphere is only 0.5x smaller
<Tank2333>
because its a game
<TwistenX>
The karman line is the absolute VERY end of the atmosphere
<Tank2333>
not in reality
<TwistenX>
10km is just the end of the main part of the atmosphere
umaxtu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
<TwistenX>
Where most of the O2 is
<Tank2333>
the higher you go the thinner the air gets, but at 100km its so thin you can call it space
<TwistenX>
At the Karman Line, there's only about 1 O2 molecule every cubic meter
<TwistenX>
At 60m, sea level, there's about 1 million ever cubic centimeter
<Tank2333>
well the iss is around 400km and it still has to fight the drag and the russians have to boost it up from time to time
<Tank2333>
its just not a hard line
<TwistenX>
Anything above 30km is pelted with radiation because that's where the Ozone Layer is
<Tank2333>
ozone is the result of radiation
<TwistenX>
The layer keeps us safe from it
<TwistenX>
Ozone is radiation
<Tank2333>
no
<TwistenX>
hence the name
<Tank2333>
ozone is o³
<Tank2333>
3 oxigen atoms
<TwistenX>
Trioxygen
<Tank2333>
kinda
<TwistenX>
That's literally it's name
<TwistenX>
Here's what Google says
<TwistenX>
Ozone, or trioxygen, is an inorganic molecule with the chemical formula O ₃. It is a pale blue gas with a distinctively pungent smell. It is an allotrope of oxygen that is much less stable than the diatomic allotrope O ₂, breaking down in the lower atmosphere to O ₂.
<Tank2333>
when UV hits o² it splits up and when reforming it sometimes forms with 3 atoms
<Tank2333>
or so
<TwistenX>
I guess ozone is also kinda why the sky is blue
<TwistenX>
it takes part in it
<TwistenX>
but it's mainly O2 molecules taking in blue light from the sun
<Tank2333>
i dont think so, that has more to do with how light gets absorbed by the atmosphere
<TwistenX>
yes
<TwistenX>
the O2 molecules take in the blue light while the rest are ineffective
<TwistenX>
thus, making the sky blue
<Tank2333>
blue mainly does get scattered farhter because it ha more energy so that is what we see
<TwistenX>
The more the energy, the slower the light moves
<Tank2333>
if O2 would absorb blue the sky would be green :)
<TwistenX>
Purple light moves the slowest, and Red light moves the fastest
<Tank2333>
fast?
<TwistenX>
Ye
<TwistenX>
Different colored lights have slightly different speeds
<Tank2333>
but red has the lowest energy density
<TwistenX>
they're off by about 1 hectometer or decimeter
<TwistenX>
It has the lowest density, which makes it move faster
<TwistenX>
the lower the energy and density, the faster it moves
<TwistenX>
Red: Lowest energy and density/fastest colored light. Purple: Highest energy and density/slowest colored light.
<TwistenX>
How do I remember this, this is from 5th and 6th grade
<TwistenX>
I'm in 7th grade now
<TwistenX>
White light has the absolute least energy and density, so we see white light first before anything. Black light is the has the absolute most energy and density, so we see black light last.
<Tank2333>
black light?
<Tank2333>
you mean the absent of light
<TwistenX>
Yeah
<TwistenX>
It's just darkness
<Tank2333>
how can that has energy
<TwistenX>
Darkness is the densest
<TwistenX>
Nothing can't have energy
<Tank2333>
but no photon no energy
<TwistenX>
it's still has matter, right?
<Tank2333>
no
<TwistenX>
wait what
<Tank2333>
it is light
<TwistenX>
oh
<Tank2333>
light has no mass, thats the trick
<TwistenX>
light has no mass and no matter
umaxtu has joined #KSPOfficial
<TwistenX>
that's why black holes exist
<Tank2333>
kinda
<Mat2ch>
TwistenX: na, metric always wins. :P
<Tank2333>
...
<TwistenX>
Yesss Mat2ch
<TwistenX>
although, it's velocity also counts for creating black holes
<TwistenX>
If it's velocity is higher than the velocity of the gravity of the object, light can move
<Tank2333>
that makes no sense to me
<TwistenX>
But, black holes are SOOOO massive, not even light can escape it
<TwistenX>
Hold on, I'll explain it.
<TwistenX>
First, know these words;
<Tank2333>
what do you mean by velocity of the gravity
<kubi>
speed of light?
<TwistenX>
How fast the object's gravity is pulling them
<TwistenX>
Earth's gravitational velocity is approximately 9-10 m.s
<TwistenX>
*m/s
<kubi>
eh?
<TwistenX>
However, the black holes escape velocity is so high, that it's faster than light speed
<Tank2333>
yes
<TwistenX>
So, that's what makes black holes, black
<kubi>
is that Earth flat that has 9-10 m/s grtavitational velocity?
<Tank2333>
and the time stays still at the event horizon
<TwistenX>
kubi Yes, that's Earth's average gravitational pull speed at sea level.
<TwistenX>
Tank2333 yes
<kubi>
what is the pull speed?
<Tank2333>
9.82
<Tank2333>
i think
<kubi>
and what is that?
<TwistenX>
9.807 m/s
<TwistenX>
That's how fast things fall on Earth
<TwistenX>
On avergae
<kubi>
really?
<TwistenX>
Yeah
<Tank2333>
how fast thing accelerate
<Tank2333>
everysecond it gets 9.81ms/s faster
<TwistenX>
Every second, while falling, you'll gain a velocity of 9.81 m/s faster.
<kubi>
so, it is m/s2
<Tank2333>
m/s /s
<kubi>
that is the "speed of changing the speed", not how the fall
<TwistenX>
If you start at 1 m/s, then after 1 second, you'll be falling at 10.81 m/s
<Tank2333>
its linear
<TwistenX>
Gravitational acceleration
<kubi>
so, there is no such thing "gravitational velocity"
<TwistenX>
However, air resistance effects your velocity
<kubi>
unless you talk about the propagation of gravitational force
<TwistenX>
That's just how I say "Gravity speed"
<Tank2333>
i think he misspoke
<kubi>
I think many things...
<TwistenX>
I just call it that
<Tank2333>
im a working man, i dont think anymore
<kubi>
but physics is not really about beliefs (at least on our level)
<TwistenX>
Well, yeah. I guess it's gravitational acceleration and not gravitational velocity.
<Tank2333>
the new star trek shows tell me otherwise
<Tank2333>
everything is about emotion
<kubi>
well, that is not star trek anymore
<Tank2333>
true
<kubi>
whatever the title says
<kubi>
but this is my belief :)
<TwistenX>
But in space, outside of anything's SoI, there kind of is De-gravitational velocity
<TwistenX>
Because you're not accelerating
<Tank2333>
its not startrek, its action soap opra
<kubi>
not accelerating?
<TwistenX>
In Zero Gravity, you can't accelerate by something's gravity
<kubi>
in theory or in practice?
<Tank2333>
well you are kind of always accelerating towards something
<TwistenX>
In practice
<TwistenX>
Acceleration is gaining speed
<TwistenX>
I'm pretty sure this is theory though
<Tank2333>
you mean like lagrange points?
<kubi>
in practice, the gravitational force is negligible "far enough" from any other objects
<TwistenX>
Yeah, kinda. I'll explain
<TwistenX>
This say this...
<TwistenX>
You are outside of Earth's Sphere of Influence and are traveling at 8km/s.
<kubi>
acceleration is the vector (scalar and direction) of the velocity verctor's change
<Tank2333>
this feels like how my nephew tells me about how important protein shakes are for muscle building
<kubi>
:)
<TwistenX>
You won't be able to gain speed without being pulled by another object's gravitational pull, or using, say, a jetpack, or pushing off something.
<kubi>
then tell him that it is more important to move your fat bottom instead of typing on your phone
<Tank2333>
TwistenX well but at the end we are accelerating towards "the big attractor" if you want it or not
<TwistenX>
So, in zero gravity, you can only gain acceleration by external forces or gravity.
<Tank2333>
Kubi, he is 14 now and he has quiete the body, with sixpack and all
<kubi>
what is Earth's sphere of influence?
<TwistenX>
9.2 lakh km
<kubi>
ah, cool, so he might be right then
<TwistenX>
I don't know what "lakh" means
<TwistenX>
This feels like a Vsauce video
<UmbralDrone>
10000, typically as a unit of money
<kubi>
so then we do not know what sphere of influence is
<Tank2333>
he dreams of being a world class box champion
<UmbralDrone>
er, wait, 100000
* UmbralDrone
pokes India with a stick
<TwistenX>
We know what it is, we just don't know how to measure it
<kubi>
umm
<TwistenX>
It can be measured in any form you want
<TwistenX>
Anything can
<kubi>
so you define it as a distance
<TwistenX>
You can measure by km, or inches, or hydrogen atoms, or lightyears, or just units.
<kubi>
and beyond that there is no gravitational force from Earth>
<TwistenX>
Yeah, it's just called; "1 Earth soi"
<Tank2333>
so than lakh is not big enough to count my money... sad
<TwistenX>
Like how we have "1 Earth radius"
<kubi>
hmm
<kubi>
so what is that theoretical distance where we can say there is 0 force from another body?
<TwistenX>
So, it's bigger than the amount of money on Earth
<kubi>
and 1mm below that how much is the force?
<Tank2333>
1 picomenter
<UmbralDrone>
kubi: depends on how much precision you want
<Tank2333>
all of ti
<Tank2333>
it
<kubi>
so, we say, we neglect the force?
<kubi>
we can neglect anything
<TwistenX>
It would effect you about probably 1*10^10'000'000 less than it does at surface.
<kubi>
even the one here and now
<TwistenX>
yes
<Tank2333>
10E-7 is not that much though, ive seen worse
<TwistenX>
We have an operator in this conversation, wow.
<TwistenX>
yeah
<kubi>
smooth operator
<Tank2333>
dum dum da da dum da dum dum daradum dum
<TwistenX>
Tank2333 wot
<Tank2333>
smooth criminal
<Tank2333>
RIP micheal
<TwistenX>
rip
<TwistenX>
f
<Tank2333>
f
<kubi>
or a linear operator
<UmbralDrone>
aaaaaaa
<TwistenX>
kubi wot is a linear operator
<Tank2333>
sounds like a coding thing
<TwistenX>
It does, and I cde
<Tank2333>
something with class
<TwistenX>
code*
<Tank2333>
or in a libary
<TwistenX>
ye
<TwistenX>
Okay, what science should we talk about now
<Tank2333>
maybe something with a framework
<UmbralDrone>
I want to say an operator A such that when applied to functions b and c, A(b*c) = A(b) * A(c) and A(b+c) = A(b) + A(c)
<Tank2333>
IM OUT
<TwistenX>
How do you not understand this
<kubi>
a nice, well behaved, linear one, isn't it?
<TwistenX>
I just need to know what b or c is and I need to know how I'm supposed to answer it
<UmbralDrone>
so eg: a derivative d/dx is a linear operator
<TwistenX>
yes
<TwistenX>
Hey guys let's talk about atmospheric science
<Tank2333>
air is thinner than wat
<Tank2333>
water
<TwistenX>
Yes
<TwistenX>
Because air is gas
<TwistenX>
Water is liquid
<kubi>
ummm
<kubi>
is that true?
<TwistenX>
Solid are thickest, liquids are medium, and gases are thinnest.
<Tank2333>
TIL
<TwistenX>
Well, yeah
<Tank2333>
wow
* Tank2333
mind blown
<TwistenX>
I dunno about plasma tho
<UmbralDrone>
plasma densities are all over the place
<TwistenX>
Electricity, Fire, Cells
<TwistenX>
Radiation
<Tank2333>
3 words yes
<TwistenX>
4
<kubi>
d/dx(a(x)*b(x)), would it be d/dx a(x) * d/dx b(x) ?
<TwistenX>
ARE YOU BLIND
<TwistenX>
yes
<kubi>
I do not think so
<TwistenX>
The Sun is literally a burning, exploding ball of plasma and gas
<Tank2333>
Math is for losers
<UmbralDrone>
hm
<Tank2333>
Meth is for winners....
* UmbralDrone
may be misremembering the definition
<TwistenX>
Also for people who plan on getting a job