ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
VanDisaster has quit [Ping timeout: 383 seconds]
VanDisaster has joined #RO
<Bornholio> my nuclear rockets are also dropping, maybe its a change induced fromthe spreadsheet import
lamont_ has quit [Quit: lamont_]
Maxsimal has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds]
<Raidernick> egg, should RSS be added to the ro organization permissions like rssdatetime was?
<Raidernick> it seems like that of all things should be
<egg> Raidernick: yeah, it should
<Raidernick> who can do that
<Raidernick> or to contact
<egg> I mean tbh everything should, and we should get new maintainers
<egg> Raidernick: stratochief and NathanKell|AFK can do things
<Raidernick> well that's going to be a problem
<egg> and pjf of all people
<Raidernick> i think agathorn can also
<egg> Raidernick: but at least for RSS I have the permissions needed to make a release
lamont_ has joined #RO
<egg> so we're not blocked by it
<Raidernick> i believe he was the one who added rssdatetime
<egg> yeah but he owned that one personally iirc
<egg> not so for RSS
<Raidernick> he's a ro org maintainer
<Raidernick> like nathan/strat and pjf
<egg> oh?
<Raidernick> the jvwander
<Raidernick> forgot the whole name
<Raidernick> that's him
<egg> well then maybe we can haz more maintainers? because this is silly
<Raidernick> i made a rss issue asking aobut rss specifically but also all other hard dependencies
<Raidernick> i pinged you for it also
<Raidernick> hopefully he responds to that
<Raidernick> egg, can you create new repos in RO?
<egg> no
<Raidernick> well i can create and remove repos
<Raidernick> but i can't edit half the exsting ones
<Raidernick> how fucked up is that lol
<egg> oh, you can create new repos in KSP-RO? that's fun :D
<Raidernick> i know right
<Raidernick> but i can't edit rss or realheat
<Raidernick> or anything
<Raidernick> lol
<Raidernick> the permissions are all over the place
<egg> NK what pandemonium of a permission system hast thou wrought
<Raidernick> welp i'm going to call it a day on this, did everything i could atm
<Raidernick> waiting for those last 3 dependencies egg
<Raidernick> whenever that happens
<Bornholio> RSS, Heat and ...
<Raidernick> Bornholio, ?
<Bornholio> last three dep's
<Raidernick> oh FAR
<Bornholio> ah of course
<Raidernick> ferram4, said he's working on the release and needs to test a few things first
<Raidernick> realheat was just updated
<Raidernick> we need ksc switcher for RSS
<Raidernick> then rss
lamont_ has quit [Quit: lamont_]
<Raidernick> egg, before we finally do a ro release you think i should grab like 5 or so testers from irc/discord and give them a full loadout of the release candidate mods and have them test it all for errors?
<Raidernick> there are a lot of new changes in RO to mods i don't use that would need testing by several people
<egg> I mean, more testing is good, but I think Bornholio has been coordinating that through the golden spreadsheet already
<egg> so a lot of this is tested
<xShadowx> everyone is disappearing? :|
<Raidernick> egg, a lot of the dependency mods are tested
<egg> xShadowx: it's more that NK has all the keys and vanished into the darkness
<Raidernick> but not RO, we update those configs daily
<Raidernick> i just merged over 50 prs in the last week
<Raidernick> i went on the word of 1 person for those to whether or not they worked
<Raidernick> i only checked the syntax myself
<schnobs> Raidernick: how would I get these? Just "git pull master" or somesuch?
<Raidernick> no dev
<Raidernick> not master
<Raidernick> merging dev into master is the last thing before release
<Raidernick> so right now it's very outdated
lamont_ has joined #RO
<schnobs> Well, I'm not much of a tester, basically just playing the game. Still, I should stumble across the more obvious stuff.
<Raidernick> schnobs, 99% of the stuff that is going to be in the release is merged right now
<Raidernick> i have 3 prs of my own i need to finish, i still need to finish modeling those parts i'm adding
<Bornholio> I wish more people would comment, we've had a steady 15-30 people using the sheet for more than two months
<Raidernick> Bornholio, can you make a note on there saying we need people to be testing dev branch
<Raidernick> as i said it's pretty much done
<Raidernick> need to know if there are any mm config errors with mods and such
<Raidernick> too many to test for a couple people
<schnobs> Well, now I know it I'll pull the stuff ASAP. but between holiday and stuff, you can't expect speedy feedback from me.
TM1978m has joined #RO
<schnobs> TLDR: if you wait for me, you won't release until the next full moon.
<Raidernick> we are releasing during this week if possible
<Raidernick> as soon as those dependencies are updated i plan to release that day
<Bornholio> notes added to all sheet pages, i'll go pester forum threads also
lamont_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<egg> Bornholio: so right now we have actually released realheat and rsstimeformatter for 1.3.1
lamont_ has joined #RO
<schnobs> Now for something completely different... does anyone around here have a working, CKAN-based 1.2.2 install?
<schnobs> I've seen people wondering if they can still install it, with mods updating in the wake of 1.4 and unkempt CKAN metadata.
<schnobs> If someone who still has everything in place could create a dump in CKAN?
<Raidernick> i thought 1.2.2 was fine?
<schnobs> This stores precise mod version numbers, and would allow anyone to install said versiond of mods.
<schnobs> I honestly do not know about 1.2.2.
<Bornholio> i'm already testing in five installs between 1.3.1 and 1.4.2 whats one more, after easter dinner maybe :P
<schnobs> I do know that I completely ruined an earlier RP-0 install by just trusting CKAN to update mods.
<Bornholio> I purposely let CKAN wrenck house just to be able to let people know when the problems occur
<Bornholio> wreck
TM1978m has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<schnobs> Raidernick: maybe something to pass onn to discord as well: if 1.4 mod versions wreck RO 1.2, someone who hasn't ruined his install yet should open CKAN -> File -> Export installed Mods.
<Raidernick> ckan shouldn't be installing an 1.4 mods in 1.2 or 1.3
<Raidernick> i test it on my installs and those ro releated mods aren't even available to download
<schnobs> OK, then I made a fuzz about nothing. Sorry.
<Raidernick> schnobs, there ARE mods that do that, however luckily none of the ro/rss related dependencies are currently doing that
rsparkyc has joined #RO
<egg> rsparkyc!
<egg> rsparkyc, we need you
<rsparkyc> o/ egg
<Qboid> rsparkyc: Bornholio left a message for you in #RO [31.03.2018 23:21:43]: "would you be able to edit the RO thread a bit paring off some of the dead mods see #1796"
<egg> rsparkyc: ignore that !tell
<rsparkyc> lol
<egg> rsparkyc: we need you to tag a release in KSCSwitcher
<egg> you are our only hope
<lamont_> schnobs: here’s my list of mods in my 1.2.2 install: https://gist.github.com/be4d566142d29e37de5fd91de363953e
<rsparkyc> do i own that?
<Raidernick> rsparkyc, yes you and nk
<schnobs> 3am for me. 'night all.
<rsparkyc> i’m trying to get myself back in the game :)
<schnobs> lamont_: thanks!
<Raidernick> rsparkyc, preferably we could add that repo to ro organization
<egg> rsparkyc: you made the last release so you probably own it
<lamont_> (i have not tried updating in awhile)
<egg> rsparkyc: but we have no bloody clue who owns what and how much
<rsparkyc> ok, well i’ll put that at the top of my todo list then
<egg> rsparkyc: so it's understandable that you wouldn't know that you own it :D
<Raidernick> we are trying to make a list of proper permissions for all these repos as it's all over the place
<rsparkyc> and see what i can do to move it over so RO owns it
<Bornholio> snoobs i'll load and post results of a CKAN everythign 1.2.2 run
<Raidernick> also rsparkyc ignore the forum and git messages i sent you
<Raidernick> just wanted to cover my bases
<egg> e.g. Raidernick can create KSP-RO repos but I can't, but I can tag RSS releases and Raidernick can't :D
<egg> it's insane
<egg> NathanKell|AFK left us in insanity
<egg> insanitea
<rsparkyc> aww, NK left again?
<rsparkyc> i’m sure he’ll be back in a few months like always
<rsparkyc> uless you guys know more than I
<egg> hasn't been seen for a while, which is why we're releasing ourselves
<egg> yeah, I assume he'll be back
<egg> but by then KSP will have gone through a bunch more versions
<Raidernick> yeah rsparkyc we are trying to make a more normal release schedule
<egg> rsparkyc: Raidernick is coordinating the release, targeting 1.3.1 for this one
<Raidernick> a lot of people put a bunch of work into these mods
<Raidernick> and it's not fair to screw them over with once a year or 2 year releases
<Raidernick> it's a collaborative effort
<Raidernick> i want a normal release schedule
<egg> rsparkyc: I'm tentatively floating around the idea of "every full moon" (principia being every new moon)
<lamont_> FWIW i am very +1 on thinking a more iterative release schedule would be better
<Raidernick> lamont_, it's kind of important for RO
<egg> lamont_: s/iterative/lunatic/
<Qboid> egg thinks lamont_ meant to say: FWIW i am very +1 on thinking a more lunatic release schedule would be better
<Raidernick> which goes through hundreds of config changes a month
<Raidernick> that's a crazy to only release every 500 days
<rsparkyc> ok, well i actually only got on just now to check on the status of Tiangong-1
<lamont_> yeah stuff like that should have a more rapid release tempo definitely
<egg> Raidernick: every martian year :-p
<rsparkyc> but, i’m off work this week
<rsparkyc> so maybe i can find some time to release “more of the things"
ProjectThoth has quit [Ping timeout: 186 seconds]
<rsparkyc> for now though, i need to sign off
<rsparkyc> but thanks for the warm welcome :)
<egg> \o
<lamont_> and i tend to think that for RP-0/RP-1 that RP-0 should have been ported to 1.3.x even if it was feature and bug frozen while RP-1 development was happening
rsparkyc has quit [Quit: rsparkyc]
<lamont_> and gonna lose power in a second
<egg> ow
<lamont_> plane is so old it doesn’t have power sockets
<lamont_> hope the landing gear still deploys
schnobs has quit [Ping timeout: 190 seconds]
<lamont_> don’t need to lithobrake into seatac
<egg> is it powered by a laptop battery
<Bornholio> just use the hand crank
<lamont_> there’s no video displays on the back of everyone’s seats either, its positively retro
<Bornholio> ...positively retro OH NO THE PLANE FLIPPED AROUND!
<Bornholio> CKAN load 1.2.2 RP0/RO everything Req/Dep/Sug. loads fine runs fine 55k patches
TM1978m has joined #RO
<Bornholio> !tell schnobs CKAN load 1.2.2 RP0/RO everything Req/Dep/Sug. loads fine runs fine 55k patches
<Qboid> Bornholio: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<lamont_> i don’t think this plane has JATO units
lamont_ has quit [Quit: lamont_]
ProjectThoth has joined #RO
ProjectThoth has quit [Ping timeout: 182 seconds]
rsparkyc has joined #RO
rsparkyc has quit [Client Quit]
qwertyy_ has joined #RO
qwertyy has quit [Ping timeout: 186 seconds]
ProjectThoth has joined #RO
Olympic1 has quit [Ping timeout: 186 seconds]
<soundnfury> Hmm, suddenly my loading screen has Nyan mode active. What is MM trying to tell me?
<Bornholio> april fools
<soundnfury> oh wait, it's april
<soundnfury> there was me thinking "have I messed up my install? Did I paste in the wrong version of MM from somewhere?"
<soundnfury> 'cos IIRC it also Nyans if you're running an unsupported version
<Pap> You are all doing a great job with the 1.3 release!
<Qboid> Pap: egg left a message for you in #RO [31.03.2018 12:00:16]: "Raidernick so, I have control over RSS-Textures as well as RealSolarSystem, I guess we should bump that one for the new bodies"
<Qboid> Pap: egg left a message for you in #RO [31.03.2018 12:02:26]: "can you make a pull request to https://github.com/KSP-RO/RSS-Textures so that the textures are found there rather than in https://github.com/pap1723/ScaledRSS-Textures ?"
<Qboid> Pap: egg left a message for you in #RO [31.03.2018 12:24:22]: "Raidernick: https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/pull/133"
qwertyy has joined #RO
<Raidernick> Pap, can you take a quick look at the RO pr for the descent mode update as well as pushing a new rss textures to the official RO textures git
qwertyy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 198 seconds]
<Pap> Raidernick: yeah, I will take a look. Want me to create a new RSS Textures upload with the format that is in my scaled RSS Textures?
<Raidernick> yeah we want to replace the old repo with yours basically
ProjectThoth has quit [Ping timeout: 190 seconds]
ProjectThoth has joined #RO
blowfish has joined #RO
<Raidernick> hi blowfish
<blowfish> hi
<Raidernick> we are making progress on the releases still, only waiting on rss and far
<Raidernick> and trying to get the organization permissions fxied
<Raidernick> fixed*
<Raidernick> so more members can push
<blowfish> huh, who even has admin access?
<blowfish> other than NK of course
<Raidernick> pjf, straochief
<Raidernick> pjf is long gone
<Raidernick> strat also quit
<Raidernick> nk is not around
<blowfish> oh, I can see who does actually
<Raidernick> agthorn has some ownership abilities
<blowfish> I've seen stratochief around
<Raidernick> i'm trying to get him to fix it
<Raidernick> strat sometimes comes online discord
<Raidernick> haven't seen him here
<Raidernick> but he apparently quit modding
<Raidernick> and he doesn't respond to messages anymore
<blowfish> which discord?
<Raidernick> just discord in general
<Raidernick> i have him added there
<Raidernick> he was on like 20 minutes again
<blowfish> ahh
<Raidernick> ago*
<Raidernick> messaged him and he logged off
<Raidernick> apparently doesn't want to talk lol
<Raidernick> it's been that way for a while
<blowfish> jwvanderbeck too
<Raidernick> that's agthorn
<Raidernick> he apparently doesn't have full ownership permissions
<Raidernick> been messaging him about it to get some things fixed
<blowfish> ahh, didn't know agathorn's github username
<blowfish> hmm
<blowfish> what are the exact permission issues we are encountering? Just not enought people with commit access to RO?
Mike` has quit [Ping timeout: 186 seconds]
Mike` has joined #RO
<blowfish> Stratochief: I'll fix #1776 and #1814
<blowfish> sorry, Raidernick
<blowfish> whole permissions thing is still on my mind
<Raidernick> everyone has different access levels
<Raidernick> like ro ppl cant edit rss
<Raidernick> rss people cant push on rss required deps
<blowfish> I wanted to get input, but since no one has objected to the proposed fixes they seem fine
<Raidernick> and weird stuff like that
<blowfish> ah yeah
<blowfish> if all the admins are AWOL, is there someone non-AWOL we want to nominate as new admin (assuming we can find a person who can do it?)
<Raidernick> probably
<blowfish> any idea who that should be?
<Raidernick> nope
lamont_ has joined #RO
<blowfish> okay, just PR'ed those two things
<Raidernick> blowfish, should that issue be reopened
<blowfish> about the X-405H?
<Raidernick> yes
<blowfish> it was random musings from reseach I had done, I wanted to see if anyone else had input on it
<blowfish> *research
<Raidernick> merged your prs and closed relevant issues
<blowfish> thanks
camlost has quit [Ping timeout: 198 seconds]
CommandoDiamond has quit [Quit: Leaving]
probus_ has joined #RO
Probus has quit [Ping timeout: 190 seconds]
<Raidernick> egg, the permissions(at least for me) are fixed for all those repos
<Raidernick> I can push/release in all ro/rss related repos in the organization
<Raidernick> !tell egg the permissions for all the repos on RO git have been fixed for anyone in the hidden group. I can release on them all now at least so we can get them all updated.
<Qboid> Raidernick: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
ProjectThoth has quit [Quit: +++out of cheese error+++]
blowfish has quit [Quit: Leaving]
Probus has joined #RO
probus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 190 seconds]
TM1978m has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Olympic1 has joined #RO
<egg> Raidernick: same
<Qboid> egg: Raidernick left a message for you in #RO [01.04.2018 07:04:28]: "the permissions for all the repos on RO git have been fixed for anyone in the hidden group. I can release on them all now at least so we can get them all updated."
Shoe17 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
Shoe17 has joined #RO
<Probus> Nice little video: https://youtu.be/EO_gwxon764
Maxsimal has joined #RO
<Bornholio> yes french space guy is very good
<Starwaster> dammit... forum is jarateeing me off.... how the hell do you embed an imgur album these days? Is it even still possible?
<Bornholio> you yell loudly in russian
camlost has joined #RO
<egg> Bornholio: I'll fix the duplicate 4096, I can push to your branch myself
<egg> I think
<egg> Bornholio: it seems I successfully pushed to your master but the pull request isn't updating? Ꙩ_ꙩ
<Bornholio> to much pushing, are we giving birth yet?
<Bornholio> not sure
<Bornholio> your deletes are showing fine want me to close and re-PR?
lamont_ has quit [Quit: lamont_]
<egg> Bornholio: nah
<egg> Bornholio: I'll merge the pull request from the command line
lamont_ has joined #RO
rsparkyc has joined #RO
<Bornholio> lol change is commited but PR still exists .sigh
rsparkyc has quit [Quit: rsparkyc]
lamont_ has quit [Quit: lamont_]
camlost has quit [Ping timeout: 182 seconds]
AndroUser has joined #RO
rsparkyc has joined #RO
<egg> Bornholio: what does the "scaled" part of scaled RSS mean
<egg> and how does it take advantage of new kopernicus features
* egg would like to understand what happened to write the release notes :D
<Bornholio> load on demand, but i'm not the eggpert
<Bornholio> let me go over to Kopernicus release nots :)
<AndroUser> Not sure if i have scaling right. Cant get an falcon 9 even close to orbit. How do i check those settings?
<Bornholio> check the fuel ratio are right
<Bornholio> and that you are using the right enine model in Engine UI, since it will default to the earliest
<Bornholio> okay egg as i read it If the textures/biomes/normals are in the plugins folder they are not loaded until you are close enough to need them. that augments the Mipmap system that will low texture the planet at longer ranges
lamont_ has joined #RO
<rsparkyc> raidernick, egg, pushed a release here: https://github.com/KSP-RO/KSCSwitcher/releases/tag/0.8
<egg> yay
<egg> thanks
<rsparkyc> it’s under KSP-RO, figured anyone could make it
<egg> currently pushing a release on RSS-Textures
<Raidernick> cool
<egg> rsparkyc: it was added by Agathorn yesterday :D
<rsparkyc> ahh
<egg> it used to be just you
<rsparkyc> lol
<rsparkyc> well, that repo needs some cleanup anyway
<egg> everything needs a lot of cleanup
<rsparkyc> it has zip files committed with versions that were never released
<rsparkyc> like 1.1
<egg> :D
<rsparkyc> so i’ll probably work on that and push a real 1.0 release for KSP 1.4.2
<rsparkyc> LMK if you have any issues, signing off for now
<egg> rsparkyc: yeah but we're quite far away from 1.4.x because the deps are lagging
<egg> probably going to have a couple more 1.3.1 releases
<rsparkyc> yeah, but while i’m doing upgrades, i might as well make releases for all the versions
<rsparkyc> that’s what ive been doing with my mods anyway
<rsparkyc> ok, later guys
rsparkyc has quit [Quit: rsparkyc]
awang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
lamont_ has quit [Quit: lamont_]
Rokker has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
AndroUser2 has joined #RO
Bornholio has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Bornholio has joined #RO
AndroUser has quit [Ping timeout: 190 seconds]
AndroUser2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
AndroUser2 has joined #RO
lamont has joined #RO
lamont_ has joined #RO
lamont_ has left #RO [#RO]
<Starwaster> smash landed a probe into the moon because fuck going into orbit first.
Majiir is now known as Snoozee
<Raidernick> egg, doing easter related stuff today so I won't be here to help/review any of this stuff
<Raidernick> just checked you rss tex release before leaving
<Raidernick> thanks
<egg> Raidernick: for RSS you just need to merge RSS#133 and actually do the release, I think you can do that now
<Qboid> [#133] title: Preparations for version 13. | The following prerequisites are now fulfilled:... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/133
<Raidernick> i'm walking out the door can it wait until i get back?
<Raidernick> i want to double check everything before release when i have a minute
<egg> yeah, it can wait for you
<Raidernick> cool peace for now
<egg> in fact I think it no longer requires action from me, so it just waits for you :-)
Rokker has joined #RO
AndroUser2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Technicalfool_ has joined #RO
Technicalfool has quit [Ping timeout: 383 seconds]
qwertyy has quit [Ping timeout: 186 seconds]
egg is now known as egg|nomz|egg
blowfish has joined #RO
AndroUser2 has joined #RO
AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
AndroUser2 has joined #RO
blowfish has quit [Quit: Leaving]
Maxsimal has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
egg|work|egg has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
qwertyy has joined #RO
AndroUser2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
AndroUser2 has joined #RO
camlost has joined #RO
UmbralRaptor has quit [Quit: Bye]
UmbralRaptop has joined #RO
rsparkyc has joined #RO
UmbralRaptor has joined #RO
egg|nomz|egg is now known as egg
UmbralRaptop has quit [Ping timeout: 383 seconds]
lamont_ has joined #RO
Maxsimal has joined #RO
<Maxsimal> did this site just suddenly get a new front end?
<egg> this site?
<egg> oh, webchat
<egg> apparently
egg|laptop|egg has joined #RO
<egg|laptop|egg> yeah
egg|laptop|egg has left #RO [#RO]
<Bornholio> so last hold out is FAR?
<egg> well RSS hasn't beeen cut yet but Raidernick can do it now and it's all ready
<egg> so yes
<egg> !wpn ferram4
* Qboid gives ferram4 a scandium bimap
<Starwaster> Ooops.... atomic engine 25 ton... want it to be 44 tons. @mass *= 44 is NOT THE SAME THING as @mass = 44!
<ferram4> I shall look at that later tonight then.
<Bornholio> FAR has 0.15.9 1.3.1 compat
<ferram4> There are a few bugfixes I want to get out though, and the release version does not have the things egg asked me to add to make it play nice with Principia.
<ferram4> Although I added those awhile ago and have been procrastinating on checking things and getting that out.
<Bornholio> eggscelent
<Bornholio> and happy easter all
<egg> ferram4: I think getting principia in atmospheres is also blocked on stupid_chris existing again so not sure it will happen soon
<egg> ferram4: on the other hand we are setting things up so we can have MOAR INTEGRATORS so our priorities are in order
<ferram4> Integrate the integrators?
<ferram4> Can you integrate the integration of integrators?
<egg> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<ferram4> How many integrators do you have now?
<egg> ferram4: I think we're still on 37 fixed-step and one variable-step, but now it's easier to select between ABA and BAB when using an SPRK as an SRKN
<egg> also we have defined new kinds of equations which will enable us to define more general integrators
camlost has quit [Ping timeout: 182 seconds]
<ferram4> Unh hunh.
Bornholio has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<Starwaster> egg what about stpuid_chris?
Bornholio has joined #RO
<egg> ferram4: so we now have y′ = f(y, t) (most general), X′ = A(X, t) + B(X, t) (example: Keplerian evolution + many-body gravitational perturbation), q″ = f(q, q′, t) (example: a shitty drag model, stateless guidance), q″ = f(q, t) (Newtonian gravitation)
<egg> ferram4: I think lamont needs y′ = f(y, t) (with differing types inside the y) for fancy stateful guidance stuff
<ferram4> mhm
<zilti1> I'm starting to be convinced that KSP is indeterministic. I added the "vapor vent" part to my rocket, tried to launch it, and... apparently my rocket is now somewhere in the black void https://i.imgur.com/YRLOIbp.png
SirKeplan has joined #RO
<zilti1> Heh I just went back to the space center, "recovered" the vessel and got 21.6 science for "Recovery of a vessel from a fly-by of Sun"
SirKeplan has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
SirKeplan has joined #RO
<zilti1> ...Ah no, it's not the part. I guess my save just broke. Oh well
Bornholio_ has joined #RO
<Starwaster> I don't know what's the matter with me today... I keep doing *= when I meant just =
<Bornholio_> that might cause problems, stop hitting the edibles :)
Bornholio has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
Bornholio_ is now known as Bornholio
<Starwaster> omg I forgot that today is NyanCat day!
<Bornholio> as did I till 5 minutes ago, wondered for 10 seconds if i damaged my load
zilti1 is now known as zilti
<soundnfury> Bornholio: ... but you explained it to _me_ when I wondered the same thing xD
<soundnfury> how did you forget again?
<soundnfury> btw is more than just nyanday today, so I made http://jttlov.no-ip.org/music/raf_march_past.ogg
camlost has joined #RO
<egg> zilti: ow, no principia?
<Bornholio> what?
<zilti> egg: Nah, no principia. I decided to wait until it shows accurate orbit info for my (now former) main save.
<egg> what do you mean accurate orbit info
<camlost> how to get the vector corresponding to vessel heading?
<camlost> does any1 know?
<egg> zilti: I'm not sure what you mean, but if you have a feature request you'd have to actually communicate it to us in some form if you want it to ever happen :-p
<zilti> egg: I mean that stuff like the number shown as apoapsis altitude and periapsis altitude fluctuate heavily over the course of getting closer to them in orbit
<zilti> You already mentioned it's on Principia's todo
<egg> zilti: uh don't trust the TODOs
<egg> zilti: isn't that just a question of lowering the tolerance for the prediction?
<egg> if you don't communicate playability issues to us we're usually not aware of them and so they don't get solved
<zilti> egg: I don't know, I didn't really play around with any settings. Thing is it can fluctuate by kilometers. Which is especially bad for any kind of rendezvous
<Bornholio> any problem i ever had was me and not understanding :P
<egg> zilti: that's not normal
<egg> zilti: unless you're predicting way too far out with overly high tolerance that shouldn't happen
<egg> maybe you need to tune the tolerance, in that case it's user error, maybe there's a deep numerical issue in that case it's an unknown bug
<zilti> egg: Just standard settings, controlling the craft in question
<egg> zilti: "standard settings" isn't magic
<egg> it depends what you're trying to do
<egg> if you're going past a very iffy close encounter it will massively amplify the error, you may need to tune the tolerances then
<zilti> Just flying in earth orbit
<egg> Can you make a video or something? like I said unless I can actually reproduce and poke at the issue I can't say anything useful and I can't help you, whether it's user error or a bug
<Bornholio> starting my first flyby of Vesta/Ceres
<Bornholio> soundnfury beer
<soundnfury> ?
<Bornholio> answer to how did i forget
<egg> zilti: can you check what happens when you reduce the prediction tolerance?
<zilti> egg: I'll try
<egg> please file a bug if that doesn't work, with as many details as possible on the magnitude of the fluctuations depending on the tolerance (and the save)
<soundnfury> ah
<lamont> zilti: are you talking about the display in e.g. mechjeb of the apoapsis and periapsis which is the oscullating (tangent) orbit values?
<zilti> lamont: yes
<lamont> not a bug
<zilti> ...does Wild Blue mess with Real Fuels? I guess I should start with a blank GameData now that my save is dead anyway
<egg> zilti: oh you mean the mechjeb display
<egg> zilti: yeah as lamont says, working as intended cannot fix
<zilti> egg: well, mechjeb, KER, map view, ...
<egg> zilti: no, map view is fine
<egg> map view is overriden by principia and has its own display
<egg> mechjeb and KER use the osculating orbit
<egg> nothing I can do about that, the osculating orbit changes because J2 and 3rd body effects
<egg> that's the point of Principia after all :-p
<egg> zilti: so the thing you should trust is the markers in map view
<egg> those are powered by principia and are accurate
<egg> [Principia inside]
<egg> also hi lamont
<egg> you no longer have your _
<egg> I gather you have landed then
<zilti> egg: maybe some mod messes with that. *sigh* *deletes GameData*
<egg> zilti: note that they are powered by principia only once you leave the atmosphere
<egg> (or on airless worlds, once you leave the ground)
<egg> (yes that includes kerbals jumping)
<egg> when you jump, suddenly the all-seeing eye of Principia sees you and applies gravitation to you
<egg> zilti: note also that the orbits of celestials are not yet drawn by principia, this is a long-standing issue (it's hard to do that fast enough)
<soundnfury> egg: osculating elements gonna oscillate
<egg> indeed
<egg> oscuillating ellements
* soundnfury gives egg an oscillating elephant
* egg pets the elephant
* xShadowx draws colorful things on egg and hides egg in the grass, then forgets where
* Starwaster ignores the oscillating elephant in the room
<Starwaster> ok what exactly does normalizeHeatForFlow do for ModuleEngine*?
<lamont> egg: plane did not lithobrake, got back safe
<egg> yay
<lamont> luggage took a friggin hour to show up
<lamont> now i’m kinda jetlagged
* egg pets lamont's endpoints
<lamont> hahahah
<lamont> yeah, my brain isn’t working well enough to look at those
<lamont> oscillating elephants
<lamont> someone needs to make a gif
<Bornholio> atleast the lugage made it with you my last time thru chicago it didn't get to my plane
Maxsimal has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<lamont> yeah it was so disorganized i almost left when my luggage did finally show up after some other flight started appearing on our carousel