ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
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<Bornholio>
rokker frequency agile correction channel. does differential improvements when not jammed and limits degredation when jamming happens
<Bornholio>
likely one or more of the global hawks is acting as the correction channel
<Rokker>
Bornholio: russian ambassador is claiming a predesigned scenario is being enacted, as to what that means who knows
<Bornholio>
they are saying among other stupid things we made up the chemical attack
<Rokker>
Bornholio: Rivet Joint over med
<soundnfury>
at this point I think we should just assume that everything Russia says is dezinformatsiya and thus, even in cases where it happens to be true, is a memetic hazard and should be ignored as fully as possible
<soundnfury>
of course, it is difficult to act as though you did not have a piece of information that you in fact have encountered; where's my sophotechnology dammit
<Rokker>
Bornholio: all the people calling this illegal and unconstitutional need to A) brush up on their legal knowledge and B) realize this really isnt much different from last year beyond russia making a big fuss about it
<Bornholio>
yeah i have little use for limited CM volley fire. unless its a ADZ breaching start its a waste. Not like assad is dead or the people who ordered the chemical attacks
<soundnfury>
If you're gonna play world policeman, do it properly.
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<soundnfury>
Either invade the country, depose the government that's acting like barbarians and run the place as a protectorate for a while, or stay out of the affairs of countries that aren't shooting at you.
<Rokker>
Bornholio: idk, the response seems appropriate. diminish their chemical abilities, if they do it again, diminish it further
<soundnfury>
This kind of half-way intervening-but-not-too-hard just makes things worse
<Bornholio>
there is always chemical capability in the modern world. diminishing the people willign to use it is more important
<Rokker>
Bornholio: never shoot the leader cause then he cant end the war
<Bornholio>
yeah always another leader
<Rokker>
dawns early light taught me that one
<soundnfury>
Rokker: eh, you can usually find a Dönitz
<Bornholio>
aint any fun to live in a ditch like sadam
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<schnobs>
Trying to rescale the ranger panel for use on earlier probes.
<schnobs>
Models have height, width, and length.
<schnobs>
width, in this particular case, means "length (extended)"
<schnobs>
Do you think a telescoping panel would be acceptable?
<schnobs>
Also, do you happen to know if solar panels can be double-sided?
<schnobs>
(as in, "does the game allow it")
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<Starwaster>
Is Aerojet still working on a new main engine for Orion or are they going to use any off the shelf engines?
<Starwaster>
schnobs no, solar panels can't be double sided. It's hard coded that a particular transform has to be pointing at the sun
<Starwaster>
IRL the only reason for such panel would be to boost electrical output so if you want to talk about a new solar panel part then the easiest way to do that would be to boost output by a small amount
<Qboid>
[#875] title: Tech Changes for RP-1 | There's a few changes I'd like to do, preferably before the RP-1 release. As I expect some reactions to this, I'd rather discuss it first than just hand in a PR. In no particular order:... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/issues/875
<schnobs>
basically, "get folding panels sooner".
<schnobs>
Installing this or that modpack would maybe take care of it, but that's not the kind of solution I'm looking for.
<Bornholio>
problem is that folding solar panels do indeed historically happen that late, same for most parts you see that "appear missplaced" If you have research that shows otherwise and not just game balance or do't like it concerns that would have much more weight
<Qboid>
[#875] title: Tech Changes for RP-1 | There's a few changes I'd like to do, preferably before the RP-1 release. As I expect some reactions to this, I'd rather discuss it first than just hand in a PR. In no particular order:... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/issues/875
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<BadRocketsCo>
Howdy
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<user>
Hello there.
<Rokker>
Bornholio: God, this has to be the most boring start to a world war ever
<user>
I've question about installing RO on a steamversion of KSP. I've already tryed to unzip the .zip-file into the gameData folder, but unfortunatly ksp is launching the mod.
<Rokker>
huh?
<user>
This is the realism overhaul channel for KSP, right?
<Rokker>
yes
<Rokker>
but if it's launching the mod what's the problem
<user>
Well, I'm trying to install RO via linux.
<user>
But it doesn't work.
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<schnobs>
User: first off, rip KSP out off steam. Just move the whole directry elsewhere.
<Rokker>
wait
<Rokker>
User: you don't unzip the zip into gamedata
<schnobs>
Then... don't install it by hand. CKAN is there to help you.
<Rokker>
you unzip the zip into the main ops folder
<Rokker>
User: the gamedata will merge with the gamedata, the ships will merge with the ships
<schnobs>
User: Getting CKAN to work is definitely worthwhile. Not sure where to pick you up, though.
<taniwha>
I don't remember installing anything else
<schnobs>
Hmmm. Are working Comm networks a design goal?
<schnobs>
The KR-7 dish has been specifically made to cover Earth from GEO. It's nowhere powerful enough to act as Comm relay for ordinary probes in LEO, though.
<schnobs>
If I crank up the power to sufficient levels, it quickly becomes interplanetary-capable (which it shouldn't be)
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<schnobs>
Ofc one could tweak the other end. It takes approx 12Mm (3 Comm-16) on the probe to establish a connection to a KR-7 in GEO. What if that was the default range of upper stages?
<schnobs>
Only downside I can think of is that it would enable uppers to go to the moon without any antenna.
<Bornholio>
you can put several com 16's and plenty of coverage, and if you put larger amounts on you can cover from geo
<Bornholio>
you can use KR's for point to point early but the are hard to get coverage with
<schnobs>
KR-7 was made specifically to cover Earth from Geo. At least angle-wise. (it was me who did it)
<schnobs>
Range is another matter. In order to pick up a KR-7 sitting in GEO, your upper stage (or whatever wants connection) needs to have ..hold on..
<Bornholio>
you don't get good high angle coverage with them, like real life
<schnobs>
Yep, your probe in LEO needs 3 Comm-16 worth of range in order to link up to the KR in GEO.
<Bornholio>
i punt eliptical 100x1500km pairs over teh poles on terra and luna and use 8xcomm16 in geo to get coverage. i find the KR's useful for keeping far side links up on mars/venus/moon missions
<schnobs>
??
<Bornholio>
on earth you leave the triangle/quad mid altitude network in for most leo stuff
<schnobs>
Can't solve equations anymore, but midle triangle seems easier to pull off than GEO.
<schnobs>
Lower delays, too.
<Bornholio>
yes, i prefer quads since you can get them up earlier
<schnobs>
How do you launch these, btw?
<schnobs>
I can calculate a dV requirement for circularization, but first I need to hit the target altitude *precisely*.
<Bornholio>
you can do all the orbit tuning by dropping into slightly lower than intended orbit and tune the hohmann for side slip. that can take a while but gets very nicely formed comnet by using launch to plane in MJ if you want direct ascent
<Bornholio>
the kick motor planning then is harder tho
<schnobs>
Well. XASR for me (easier to tune dV than juggling Sergeants).
<soundnfury>
schnobs: I agree with you about small folding panels, btw
<schnobs>
Not that we have much use for them, early on. But (again transmitters) the KR-7 is built to draw a lot of power, which is difficult to satisfy with static ones.