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bwoop
<darsie>
.
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<Flayer>
"overkill" which turned out to be just enough with some aerobreaking
<Mat2ch>
darsie: I fear you have to explain what dV means ;)
<Mat2ch>
Fluburtur!
<Mat2ch>
Fluburtur: what are you up to lately?
<Mat2ch>
I always think at you when I visit my parents. There's still so much stuff for you there ;)
<darsie>
dv (or correctly Δv) is the change in velocity you can achieve with a rocket: Δv=v_e*ln(m0/m1). v_e=exhaust velocity=Isp(specific impulse)*g(~9.81 m/s2). m0=initial/wet rocket mass, m1=final/dry rocket mass.
<darsie>
Flayer: ^
<Flayer>
well i have no idea what any of that means
<Flayer>
but i am aware of 'dv'
<Flayer>
its the numbers on the left
<darsie>
To get from LKO to the Mun you need to increase your speed by 860 m/s, according to the dv map.
<darsie>
Flayer: Don't be scared of what I wrote. Read it slowly.
<Flayer>
i'm not scared, just not that interested
<darsie>
But you don't actually need to know how to calculate it yourself, since recent versions of KSP do it for you.
<Flayer>
exactly!
<darsie>
Δv=v_e*ln(m0/m1) is a quite simple formula, though.
<hatrix>
before understanding the physics, my journeys always were a failure
<hatrix>
now it's still the same, but I know why :p
<darsie>
:)
<Flayer>
tee-hee
<Flayer>
i feel like going to the supermarket and getting a big box of peanut butter candies
<Flayer>
but i'm not sure if they will even have them
<darsie>
Sometimes I'm not sure if it works out and test it.
<Flayer>
i doubt i would be able to get that into orbit lol
<Flayer>
also my kerbonaut would be doa
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<hatrix>
already saw that screenshot :)
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<darsie>
Flayer: Do you use a life support mod?
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<Flayer>
yus
<darsie>
ok
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<darsie>
I could have used only one Oscar B tank, I think and used the jetpack for the remaining dv. But this way was more convenient.
<packbart>
I'll start the next career without life-support mods and go back to the good old ways. I've been using Tac-LS before and now Kerbalism which is frustrating me a bit with its time-warp weirdness
<Flayer>
i got snacks cause its nice and simple
<darsie>
Kerbals are plants. All they need is Sun :).
<UmbralRaptop>
pacifist orks
<Flayer>
nah, my kerbals are underground dwellers
<darsie>
Maybe some tardigrades to turn the oxygen back to CO2 :).
<darsie>
Flayer: Get some artificial lights, then :).
<sandbox>
Urist Kerman
<darsie>
Admittedly, it took some trial and error tuning to get this and other rockets to work.
<darsie>
Those are declared simulations.
<darsie>
Like, I tilt the rocket so it flies just too low, so I have to fly straight for a certain while (e.g. till I reach a certain speed) before switching to prograde hold.
<darsie>
That reaction wheel is in this position cause it counterbalances the seat that has to be off center to fit the horizontal Kerbal in the fairing.
<Flayer>
in better news
<Flayer>
it appears my toothache has been resolved
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<Tsar_bomba>
What are the rules, they are blocked for me
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<packbart>
The rules are offline.
<Flayer>
there's one that says 'no cursing' i think
<Tank2333_>
asking questions and leaving after 5 seconds?
<Althego>
why bother asking the question if they dont wait for the answer?
<packbart>
why bother asking yourself that question? because people :)
<Althego>
because science
<Althego>
self playing banjo
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<UmbralRaptop>
Why are humans like that?
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<transit1>
reminds me of the time a woman and her child asked me which train goes to nyc from trenton, to which i replied "this one does, and the next one, but the next one is an express, so it gets in quite a bit before this one"
<transit1>
they thanked me then boarded the local
<transit1>
express pulls in 5 minutes later, i board, ride, get out at newark for my routine switch to PATH
<transit1>
train comes in on track 1 while i'm texting with my girlfriend at the time
<transit1>
(trakc 1 is connected to the PATH system across the same platform)
<transit1>
lady and kid come off the train, look at me like i have 3 heads
<Althego>
cikin separated?
<transit1>
yeah maybe i knew what i was talking about after all :P
<Althego>
colon
<Althego>
(because PATH)
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<transit1>
its a system that connects hudson county with new york county across the hudson river and operated by the ny nj port authority hence PA TH port authority trans hudson
<transit1>
anyways, i was a nyc tour guide for 6 years and i can confirm that people are a pain in the buttocks
<transit1>
myself included
<transit1>
:D
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
i am quite sure neanderthals were better people, but we killed them all, so we are the surviving evils
<transit1>
we have some of their genes
<transit1>
so now we can have orange or red hair .. and wear jeans?
<transit1>
darwin's hunger games
<Althego>
still ongoing
<transit1>
cognitive bias
<Althego>
doesnt end as long as there are living things on the planet
<transit1>
i think some people when they drive use cognitive bias ply tires.. they just have way less control and are inferior handling
<Mat2ch>
The problem with thinking is: You've got to have time and energy for that. Our modern society deprives us from both things.
<Althego>
how so
<Mat2ch>
Well, not you and my obviously. We both have time to hang around in this channel and chat all day
<Mat2ch>
but look at the rest of society
<Althego>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
I could use a project, though
<Mat2ch>
not earning any money in January hurts my feelings
<Althego>
technically i am here all day, but not really listtening
<Althego>
but you dont have a boss
<Mat2ch>
and also no money to buy me nice things :P
<Mat2ch>
well, I need not only nice things, but to replace a few things here
<Mat2ch>
Worst part is that I'm waiting for two companies to give me a call. If I have to wait any longer I'll start looking for new projects
<Althego>
"ring ring, why dont you give me a call?"
<Mat2ch>
I'm a bit sad that there are so few tandem rotor helicopters
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<Tank2333_>
ill can confirm that in a bluecollor/industrial job industrial automation killed a lot of thinking time, because you have to pay attention to something without having anything to do most of the time,
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<Tank2333_>
also often the "free" time you gain when a process gets automated is used for more low skilled work like hauling
<Althego>
worse, excel sheets :)
<Althego>
the biggest lie in moden history. it doesn help anybody
<Tank2333_>
:)
<Althego>
hehe i remember we were often hunting with the siemens support guy suitable wooden parts behind the warehouse for the air cushion floatation thing
<Mat2ch>
You mean the Siemens Lufthaken.
<Mat2ch>
:P
<Tank2333_>
i wish i could use excel for the planning steps in my daily parts list i have to do, but half of the people that work at thos machines dont have computers at home
<Althego>
hehe no
<Althego>
anyway working in factories is one of the biggest waste of time
<Althego>
so elon wants people on mars until 2050? isnt that way later than he originally planned?
<Tank2333_>
some people are made for it though, but general there is no personal development to be had
<Althego>
exactly
<Tank2333_>
2050 is even later than nasa
<Althego>
maybe i should watch thevideo to see what he meant by that
<Althego>
maybe colonists, not just people
<Tank2333_>
yeah
<packbart>
Mat2ch: The problem with thinking is that it requires too much order. Entropy will win in the end
<Tank2333_>
one time a apprentice said to me "i feel like people here can only do things fast and not good anymore" i could only nod to him... kind of sad
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<packbart>
you didn't have the time for a proper answer and had to do it fast? ;)
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<Althego>
so next starlink is on friday
<Tank2333>
packbart exactly
<Althego>
hehe
<Tank2333>
how will starlink be priced? is that out yot?
<Tank2333>
yet
<packbart>
I can already feel the howls of astrophysicists on another channel
<Althego>
hehe
<NGC3982>
already?
<packbart>
Tank2333: both customers share the costs
<Althego>
liek the famous obi wan quote about alderaan?
<NGC3982>
i thought commercial usage of starlink was years away
<Althego>
probably
<Althego>
i dont remember but they need few hundred to start making any use of it
<Althego>
and that is only for tests
<Althego>
and thousands for any commercial usage
<Althego>
they want what, 12000?
<Tank2333>
+3000 from oneweb
<Althego>
is that the amazon thing?
<packbart>
I wonder how many StarPing sats China is going to want to launch
<Tank2333>
and amzon will get onto that band wagon too i guess
<Althego>
supposedly with starship they can launch 400 at one time
<transit1>
they should name the first one "jefferson"
<Althego>
why
<Tank2333>
starship i pretty far out i think
<Althego>
they need a few years for that
<Althego>
it is very much in the early stages
<Althego>
i think if they can make it to comercial usage in 5 years they were really fast
<Tank2333>
maybe they have to ditch the stainless steel in situ building
<Tank2333>
100k is a good size, you still have cultural things going on with 50 below it gets realy boring :)
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<Tank2333>
but the smaller the city the nicer the people
<UmbralRaptor>
ahahahahah
<Tank2333>
in the villages around here if the employees in shops have a very good modd in general
<Tank2333>
-if
<Althego>
good modding comunity :)
<UmbralRaptor>
I'd suggest that you need >500k to have interesting restaurants barring cities that make culture a big deal
<transit1>
dont you remember? We built this city! We built this city on rock & soil!
<UmbralRaptor>
Anyway, 1e6 people to Mars in 30 years is, uh,
<Althego>
make it 20
<packbart>
how many of them alive?
<Althego>
because you need to get the whole thing going, that is at least 10 years
<Althego>
if not 20
<Althego>
lol
<UmbralRaptor>
okay, 91 to 137 people per day
<Althego>
not a big deal if you have hundreds of starships
<Althego>
but this name is really dumb
<Althego>
could have named it the silver rod of joy :?)
<UmbralRaptor>
How many launch windows are there between now and 2050, anyway?
<Tank2333>
2
<Althego>
isnt it 2 years 2 months?
<UmbralRaptor>
Something like that
<Althego>
around 13?
<Althego>
maybe 14
<UmbralRaptor>
call it 14 windows, including the one *this year*
<Althego>
and lose around 4 of that
<UmbralRaptor>
Yeah, so on the order of 100k people per window
<Althego>
so make it 10, which means 100k people in each window?
<Althego>
that is an exodus
<packbart>
transport the colonists in dehydrated form, melt ice on Mars to resurrect them
<UmbralRaptor>
Why say 1 million instead of a plausible 10s, optimistically 100s?
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
like water ebars?
<packbart>
yes, I've listened to the first Trisolaris (audio)book
* UmbralRaptor
gestures at Antarctica
<UmbralRaptor>
human-tardigrade hybrids!
<Tank2333>
i get reminded of startrek discovery... please no
<Althego>
hehe
<UmbralRaptor>
Haven't seen that one
<Althego>
we live in a time when start trek is not star trek and star wars is not star wars
<Althego>
i was never a doctor who fan, but voount that in too
<UmbralRaptor>
So, 40k movies when?
<packbart>
hauling water bags is so inefficient. the future are travelluing virtual minds in computer bays
* packbart
likes The Culture, too
<Tank2333>
also jumanji is not jumanji anymore
<Tank2333>
jurassic park too
<UmbralRaptor>
Feathered dinosaurs when?
<Tank2333>
and a Matrix reboot is in the making i heard...
<Tank2333>
just no...
<Tank2333>
UmbralRaptor never
<Tank2333>
i would love that though
<Tank2333>
the amount of francises hollywood has tried to reboot and turned into garbage is mind boggling
<packbart>
no worries. KSP 2 is going to be great
<Tank2333>
its if they only want to make money and dont care about the art..
<Tank2333>
i hope so :)
<Althego>
continuing my though, supposedly the upcoming dune is going to be good
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<Althego>
i tell you what, princess bride remake
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<Althego>
at least there was a rumour about that last year
<Althego>
why would anybody want to make that?
<Althego>
ok, money, but it can only be a failure
<packbart>
Sissi!
<Tank2333>
not sure i evene know that movie
<Tank2333>
im up for sissi
<Tank2333>
watched the 3 movies with a freind lately :)
<Tank2333>
but i guess it would have 20 minutes of mindless action scenes at the end
<Althego>
hehe nerd question, did intel or boeing had the worse year in 2019?
<packbart>
I'd say Boeing. Intel is still selling chips and can't be tied directly to any deaths
<UmbralRaptor>
same
<packbart>
(probably not counting missile CPUs)
<Althego>
doubt those are intel
<UmbralRaptor>
Hm. Boeing doesn't make any ground attack aircraft, right?
<Althego>
did any of you get that yt ad about a social business something site with the grey haired guy with the fat head? a friend of mine told me that was alec baldwin. i was like, whaaaat
* UmbralRaptor
has been running adblockers for ~15 years, so no
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<Althego>
anyway it was shocking to see the difference to the image i had of him in my head. it was so big i didnt recognize him. this also means i am getting old too
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* transit1
noms tuna sandwitches & apple juice
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<transit>
Test
<transit>
O good
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<Althego>
o not good
<Althego>
or rather x not good
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<UmbralRaptor>
❌⭕
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<darsie>
Can we remove rule "Changing the subject of conversation in a thread without a natural tie to the topic at hand;" ?
<darsie>
Is this the international section?
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<Guest8169>
For IRC purposes?
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<raptop>
We've, uh, been stuck with that for ages for no good reason, and politely ignore it
<nate>
"in a thread" doesn't sound very IRC relative
<nate>
or were the IRC rules written by someone with more forum moderation experiences than IRC? lol