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<Fluburtur>
yes
<Fluburtur>
trying to make my long range plane work and trying to somehow make money
<Fluburtur>
why does burning lithium smell like cake icing
<Mat2ch>
I'd like to know how much dV it has and it they could just straight deorbit it...
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<Althego>
it may be geostat
<Althego>
no?
<Mat2ch>
It is
<Mat2ch>
but being so high up means that it's easy to fall down...
<Deddly>
Wow, engaget has some serious hoops you have to jump through if you don't want to consent to tracking and ad cookies
<Deddly>
It takes a fair bit of fuel to deorbit from GEO
<Deddly>
It's a circularised orbit, not elliptical
<Mat2ch>
engadget is a nasty tracker. So nasty it was on a block list for a few weeks once.
<Deddly>
The law is quite simple in that respect: A simple on-off toggle, defaulted to off
<Deddly>
After going through all the hoops, it seems that they are, indeed, off. Maybe I've been on that site before
<packbart>
explody sat is a Boeing, too ;)
<Deddly>
If I remember correctly, the problem with GEO is that it takes so much fuel to get down from there, most don't bother trying - they just change to a graveyard orbit
<Mat2ch>
105000 m/s?
<Mat2ch>
Sounds too much
<Deddly>
More like 1500, I think
<Deddly>
That's 1.5 km/s, which seems a big budget to have to keep if you are planning on deorbiting the satellite some day
<Mat2ch>
True
<Mat2ch>
but the sat has a lot of fuel left it seems
<Mat2ch>
And you don't need to stop it, just get slow enough to drop into the atmosphere
<Althego>
what do you mean? if it is during the windows install it will do everything it needs to
<Althego>
i cant reproduce that because i dont have any disk needing initialization
<Deddly>
Althego, I'm not doing it from install, I'm doing it from this machine. It's a 2nd SSD, I'm not installing anything to it
<Althego>
whateevr that means
<Althego>
then just create single partition and format it
<Althego>
i think this disk management thing can do all of this
<Deddly>
I right-click on the drive from Computer Management and the only options I get are: New Simple Volume, New Spanned Volume, New Striped Volume, Properties and Help
<Deddly>
I guess "New Single Volume" then
<Althego>
probably
<Deddly>
I mean Simple, not single
<Althego>
the others sound like raid
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<Deddly>
Althego, Best to use the whole disk now and then let Linux play with it later, or set aside space now?
<Althego>
you can shrink the partition
<Althego>
later
<Deddly>
OK cool
<Althego>
if not with windows, then with things like gparted for sure
<Althego>
but it can be a bit painful
<Deddly>
NTFS or exFAT are the options. NTFS, I assume
<Althego>
like you boot on a linux, start gparted. it says go back to windows and repair the filesystem
<Althego>
i dont see any point in exfat now
<Althego>
maybe on an usb disk
<Deddly>
Last time I installed Linux years ago, partitioning was incredibly painless
<Deddly>
Allocation unit size?
<Althego>
and adter it starts shrinking it, it can take a long time
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<Althego>
hmm i am not sure. this can impact performance
<Althego>
it usedto be 4k, but lately everything is 512 bytes
<Althego>
or something like that
<Mat2ch>
I thought the other way round. To be able to have those huge devices?
<Mat2ch>
But usually the device itself tells the os how big the allocation unit size should be
<Deddly>
I mean, there's "default", I guess...
<Althego>
probably defaults to 4k
<Althego>
cant hurt you that much
<Althego>
on an ssd
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<Deddly>
Yeah, seems default is the way to go
<Deddly>
Quick format OK or no?
<Deddly>
File and folder compression?
<Deddly>
I tell you what, Linux is so much easier for this kind of thing
<Althego>
well, fdisk is not the tool i would ever want to use if i has a choice
<Althego>
i have
<Althego>
parted is a bit better, gparted is for me :)
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<Althego>
just click and drag the things
<Deddly>
Yeah, I loved that
<Deddly>
I'm actually really looking forward to maybe having Linux again. Do most distros still use Grub for the bootloader?
<Althego>
grub2 for debian
<Althego>
i hate all that autogenerated config files thing
<Althego>
you have to fumble around in etc and run some commands to regenerate the grub config
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<Deddly>
If I do get Linux again, I want it to default to Windows on startup. Is that easy these days?
<Althego>
the windows has a boot loader too
<Althego>
so you can jsut chain in the linux bootloader
<Althego>
in a separate menu
<Deddly>
OK I'll hold up for a bit on that, then
<Althego>
or you can choose the linux to take over
<Althego>
and default to windows
<Althego>
it has been a while since i did this
<Althego>
linux would probably recognize the already installed windows and put it in the boot menu eanyway
<Mat2ch>
If everything is implemented correctly there is no boot loader necessary anymore and everything managed by UEFI
<Deddly>
Huh
<Althego>
which is even more horrible
<Althego>
if you have an efi
<Althego>
machines from the last 10 years or so have one :)
<Althego>
(u)efi, the os in your motherboard
<Althego>
because they had to have one
<Mat2ch>
bios wasn't any better in its later stages
<Althego>
then poettering decided you need an os for your init sisytem
<Mat2ch>
are you shaming systemd? :P
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<Althego>
so first efi starts up, then it starts systemd, and then the 3rd os to boot is linux
<Mat2ch>
It was finally a solution to the sysinit stuff, which was painfully slow and outdated
<Mat2ch>
nonono
<Mat2ch>
first efi, then the kernel, then systemd
<Althego>
yes it was old
<Althego>
it worked
<Althego>
maybe wasnt that fast on an ssd
<Mat2ch>
it wasn't fast on a hdd either
<Deddly>
I can't get over how fast SSD are
<Althego>
and with systemd you got anyther spaceship you have to maintain
<Althego>
and the best is yet to come
<Althego>
pcie4 ssds
<Althego>
6GB/s
<Mat2ch>
but having to write a shell script for every single service is not a good way to start things.
<Mat2ch>
Now there's a single piece of software managing all the services
<Althego>
now you have to write a unit file for those
<Mat2ch>
which makes life much more easy
<Deddly>
Moving 26,000 files from one SSD to another, 50% complete already
<Althego>
actually i have no problems with this
<Althego>
the problem is that systemd has everythng
<Mat2ch>
Have you ever written both? I love unit files, they're small and peaceful
<Althego>
from dns to 3d barcode reading, why? beats me
<Althego>
yes i did
<Althego>
i like unit files too
<Althego>
that is not the issue
<Mat2ch>
well, they are going to far a bit, yes. But that's how people are with new tools. They have to play with them and figure out what's good and what's not
<Mat2ch>
uh, where's the systemd barcode thingy at? I'd like to take a look ;)
<Deddly>
Right, if I want Linux Mint that never needs reinstalling, that's LMDE, right?
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<Deddly>
C'mon Althego you're about to convert me to Linux ;)
<Althego>
lol why
<Althego>
for everyday use it literally doesnt matter what your os is
<Althego>
i guess mint is ok, since it is not rpm based :)
<Deddly>
I always liked dual booting, and now I have the space for it. In the past, I have also repaired Windows from within Linux
<Althego>
there are a bunch of live distros for rapir
<Deddly>
Linux has a lot of great applications, as well. I remember some very good video editing software I used to use
<Althego>
hehe, video editing used to be rocky seas for linux
<Althego>
but i dont know what is its current state
<Deddly>
So you're saying I should NOT get Linux?
<Althego>
my main computer is on windows, for work i use linux
<Althego>
i wouldnt want to compile anything on windows
<Deddly>
Well in that case, maybe I should get Aros instead, :D
<Mat2ch>
Well, on the plus side now I have time to finish my Jool mission
<Deddly>
Erbin looks like he's about to throw up
<Mat2ch>
and then KSP2 will come out and have no Linux support as well.
<Mat2ch>
Well, time to move on then
<Deddly>
KSP2 has no Linux support? Huh. I'd forgotten that. Wine 5?
<hatrix>
he has only been hired because he's expandable
<hatrix>
no linux for KSP2? :o
<hatrix>
I guess proton will work well
<Mat2ch>
Deddly: It's not yet announced, but I bet it wont have
<Mat2ch>
hatrix: not buying
<Mat2ch>
Not for a game I like modding. Proton/wine will add a layer of pain
<hatrix>
for sure
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<hatrix>
I don't fully understand Δv maps, for Duna it takes me around 700m/s to be captured
<hatrix>
on the map it's written 250m/s
<hatrix>
what do I do wrong?
<UmbralRaptop>
How did you do your capture? In practice these tend to assume a very low periapsis, and I'm not sure if they include circularization
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<hatrix>
I'm high, roughly 4 000 000m
<UmbralRaptop>
ah
<hatrix>
should I try to be closer next time?
<UmbralRaptop>
It's worthwhile to aim for an arrival with periapsis just above the atmosphere (beware of Ike)
<hatrix>
I took enough Δv to be comfortable but I'm still worrying
<hatrix>
how do you handle maneuvers when periapsis kicks?
<UmbralRaptop>
I'm not sure I understand the question
<hatrix>
with nuclear engines, my burn time is around 15 min, I'd like to burn for a few mins, do one orbit and burn again, etc
<hatrix>
the maneuvers don't like that though
<UmbralRaptop>
Ah, something like multiple maneuver nodes. Though with that sort of TWR with nuclear engines, I'd hope you have a few km/s to spare? >_>;;
<hatrix>
the only way I found to make it work is to create a new maneuver node every node
<hatrix>
it's painful
<UmbralRaptop>
yeah
<hatrix>
every orbit*
<packbart>
there was a mod once (rather a kOS script, iirc), "MechVal" that set up a number of periapsis kicking nodes
<packbart>
from an initial node
<hatrix>
I'd prefer to stay stock though
<packbart>
add moar boosters ;)
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<hatrix>
this mobile processing lab does wonders :o
<hatrix>
almost feels like cheating earning so much science at once