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<Eddi|zuHause>
so, irrespective of all the unupdated mods, should i try salvaging my last carreer save? otherwise i'll start over and get exactly as far as every time, which is i'm never reaching duna/eve or any other place outside kerbin SoI
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<packbart>
I know that problem
<hatrix>
that's why I'm playing stock
<hatrix>
and struggling with everything
<Eddi|zuHause>
"last played: 27. Okt 2018", that can't be right
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<Eddi|zuHause>
so, starting up the game it complained about FAR more than all the other mods... anything i should know?
<Deddly>
Eddi|zuHause, why not just continue with your old save until the mods have been updated, and only then upgrade KSP?
<Eddi|zuHause>
nah
<Deddly>
Eddi|zuHause, what version is FAR officially compatible with?
<Eddi|zuHause>
so, load menu still not sorted by file date...
<Eddi|zuHause>
also, i click "load" and it doesn't do anything
<Eddi|zuHause>
console just says "nullreferenceexception"
<Eddi|zuHause>
according to CKAN FAR Continued is compatible with 1.8.99
<Eddi|zuHause>
i try without it now
<Eddi|zuHause>
yeah, loading now
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<Deddly>
1.8.99??
<Eddi|zuHause>
i assume that means 1.8.*
<Eddi|zuHause>
as in "we're confident that no 1.8.x update will break this"
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<UmbralRaptor>
sounds right
<packbart>
the version thing has become more confusing than useful, I think. linuxgurugamer doesn't even set the max version anymore
<Mat2ch>
I guess for some mods there's just no reason to set a max version
<Mat2ch>
as long as the API is not changing they will just work fine
<Eddi|zuHause>
anyway, i'm declaring FAR as "known broken" for 1.9
<Eddi|zuHause>
nothing else seems to have any immediately obvious problem
<packbart>
Eddi|zuHause: the forum thread says you should try the pre-release if you want FAR
<Eddi|zuHause>
now, last thing i was doing is trying to get my minimus base further uphill to get out of the one spot on north pole that doesn't get any sun
<Eddi|zuHause>
i kinda wish i could tell SAS a heading and keep it on that
<Althego>
there used to be a mod for this
<Althego>
some pilot something
<Althego>
for airplanes
<Althego>
actually for the shortest route you dont want to keep heading
<packbart>
MechJeb and others
<darsie>
Althego: An asteroid randomly takes its final shape/size etc. when you get to within 2.2 km. So I stop beyond that, save, then approach it as often till I find one I like.
<Althego>
hehe
<darsie>
s/size/mass
<Althego>
the good old save and retry method
<darsie>
ore content ...
<darsie>
This time I wanted a lightweight magic one.
<darsie>
Easier to push.
<Eddi|zuHause>
FAR has "flight assistance toggles" but i have no clue what they do
<Blu3wolf>
@Althego: not always true. For points directly north or south of you, a constant heading is the shortest route.
<Althego>
that is why i said it. unlike really specific scenarios you must change heading for shortest route
<Althego>
in the general case
<Blu3wolf>
Technically, you dont need to change heading so much as that your heading will change on its own. You are still going the same direction.
<Althego>
yes, but if you have a heading setpoint on a compass, that must move
<Althego>
so for long distance navigation that would not be a good solution
<Blu3wolf>
Correct. There is a (now obsolete) workaround for this problem.
<Blu3wolf>
You plan your flight in legs of 100 miles or so, and take up a new heading for each leg.
<Blu3wolf>
this lets you maintain a compass heading, while gaining the benefits of great circle navigation.
<Althego>
hah, i dont believe you. nobody would use miles :)
<Eddi|zuHause>
well, i could do that, but i'm not travelling that far anyway
<Blu3wolf>
Actually, pretty much everyone uses (nautical) miles for aviation.
<Althego>
yes, nautical miles
<Blu3wolf>
China and Russia being good counter-examples
<Althego>
not miles
<Blu3wolf>
miles != statute miles
<Blu3wolf>
miles is the set that contains nautical miles and statute miles
<Althego>
the only non si unit i can think of as making some sense is the nautical miles. maybe knots along with it
<Blu3wolf>
and just for the heck of it, it also contains country miles
<Eddi|zuHause>
i'm also not technically doing aviation :p
<Blu3wolf>
Over a short distance, you can safely ignore great circles as having an appreciable impact on your navigation
<Althego>
obviosuly
<Althego>
thus flat earthers are born
<Blu3wolf>
people who dont navigate long distance? Makes sense. People can travel a long way these days without having to think much... hmm.
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<Eddi|zuHause>
my current problem is that i'm rolling constantly (intentionally) and that means correcting for heading needs a different WASD key at every moment in time, so i can only do that if i stop rolling
<Althego>
ah yes i know that problem
<Althego>
but i dont use that for longer distances than from the launchpad to the vab area :)
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<Eddi|zuHause>
distance left is about 2.5km, not sure how precisely i have set the waypoint
<Althego>
will martian settlers use km or martian mile for navigation? :)
<Blu3wolf>
Id vote for km
<Blu3wolf>
Im sure at some point aviation will end up moving to metric in the rest of the world outside the former soviet republics + China
<Eddi|zuHause>
Althego: depends on if they elect a "mars first" guy as a leader that, whatever everyone else thinks, does the opposite.
<Blu3wolf>
If we have a multiple planet society, it makes sense to have standards common everywhere
<Blu3wolf>
And taking nautical miles and using them elsewhere takes away all the usefulness they have on Earth
<Eddi|zuHause>
Blu3wolf: politics on that level rarely happens based on "it makes sense"
<Blu3wolf>
Depends on who is setting the standard. If its a politician, then of course. If its an engineer/scientist....
<Blu3wolf>
Note that NASA is using metric.
<Eddi|zuHause>
it'll never be an engineer/scientist
<Blu3wolf>
I have to say, it feels weird flying an aircraft with metric instrumentation
<Althego>
trust me i'm an engineer :)
<Blu3wolf>
Ive got a little time in a CJ-6A and its just weird flying at 330m instead of 1000ft
<Althego>
never flew in any cockpit that was not a simulator :)
<Eddi|zuHause>
but that's only because you got taught it that way, not that one way is better than the other
<Blu3wolf>
thats the point Im making :)
<Althego>
si is better. defeated by a single question. how many feet in a mile?
<Blu3wolf>
6000
<packbart>
NASA uses a mix of systems and can use "meter" and "feet" in the same sentence
<Althego>
also all units for electricity are si, probably doesnt mix well with imperial units
<Blu3wolf>
Didnt know that about NASA, but its true in aviation
<Althego>
if they used millimiles for altitude i would be content
<Blu3wolf>
vis is in meters and kilometers, altitude is in feet, separation is in feet, distances are in nautical miles...
<Althego>
but no, they use feet
<Blu3wolf>
except in the US, where vis is in statute miles (!)
<Blu3wolf>
really dont understand that. Why mix nautical miles and statute miles!??
<Althego>
souls on board and fuel remaining
<Althego>
fuel in pounds, kg, tonnes, minutes
<Blu3wolf>
fuel is a PAIN
<Althego>
at least counting people is not that complicated
<Eddi|zuHause>
1.9km
<Blu3wolf>
aircraft are american, so the manual will have fuel in pounds. But the placards are local, and the ops manual is local, so the limits are in litres
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
still better than timezones :)
<Blu3wolf>
and technically: fuel isnt measured in minutes - endurance is
<Blu3wolf>
whats wrong with timezones?
<packbart>
the one NASA text I thought of was talking about Curiosity's skycrane extending a 20ft rope 6m above the surface
<Althego>
nothing. except they change their location and offset from time to time
<packbart>
can't find that anymore
<Blu3wolf>
I mean, Id argue that the timezones themselves dont move
<Althego>
their edges move
<Blu3wolf>
Just that some areas decide to observe a different timezone from time to time
<Althego>
ther are also half out and quarter our offsets too
<Blu3wolf>
they arent a geographic concept to have 'edges'
<Blu3wolf>
watch is set to zulu time, no matter where I go. Keeps it simple for me
<Althego>
hehe
<Blu3wolf>
although I might need to set it because it looks a couple minutes fast :/
<Blu3wolf>
showing 1557 atm
<Althego>
only 56 now :)
<Althego>
(in a same timezone)
<Blu3wolf>
tis not a terribly expensive watch :/
<Althego>
*sane timezone
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<Rokker>
guess what ima go see one last time before it goes back to Washington
<Althego>
trump's hair?
<Rokker>
huh, I thought politics was still banned
<Althego>
hair is not politics
<Rokker>
the Columbia module
<Mat2ch>
Althego: one question that bothers me is still if it is sentient or not.
<Eddi|zuHause>
1km...
<hatrix>
where is it now Rokker?
<Althego>
it can be only one place :)
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<packbart>
they totally should put wheels on it and use it as a bus
<hatrix>
where is it? :o
<packbart>
oh right, I was thinking of a Shuttle, not a Module
<Althego>
use what? rocker? or the columbia module? not really a bus with place for only 3 people
<packbart>
hatrix: "As of September 28, 2019, the spacecraft is on display temporarily at the Cincinnati Museum Center."
<darsie>
I wonder if it saves delta-v. The new orbit is more eccentric. But I want an equatorial orbit. We'll see how well the asteroid tolerates aerobraking. I'm afraid not enough.
<hatrix>
can asteroids desintegrate in atmospheres?
<packbart>
yes, they can overheat
<packbart>
maxTemp = 2500 // way hotter than the melting point of "Ore" but oh well.
<hatrix>
hmmm
<hatrix>
would it be easier to capture an asteroid and use it as a heatshield to land on eve?
<Althego>
melting point of ore. what is the melting point of boku? :)
<hatrix>
in contrast of using regular heatshields
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<Eddi|zuHause>
almost at the peak now
<packbart>
great. I had to restart Firefox and now the ranty posts on the forum that I were about to read have already been redacted :)
<packbart>
someone didn't like JNSQ
<Deddly>
Redaction for the w
<Althego>
lol elon and the evangelion tweet
<darsie>
If I manage to pull off this maneuver, I'm the master of chaos, because this is literally a chaotic situation. And by literally, I literally mean literally.
<darsie>
Not like ... "She literally broke my heart." ...
<Althego>
chaos is everywhere
<packbart>
Chaos wins. Einstein said so.
<Eddi|zuHause>
chaotic neutral, chaotic good or chaotic evil?
<darsie>
Mhm, but tiny variations in the first flyby have a strong influence on the second flyby.