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<krb>
heyo
<krb>
does it usually take 3 daysn, not in game but real days, to refill a small ore tank?
<krb>
or is something going terribly wrong
<Althego>
lol
<Althego>
no, why would it take that long
<krb>
idk
<krb>
i've been drilling for an entire day and i've..actually lost fuel in the process
<Althego>
ah you mean isru
<krb>
almost a year in-game
<Althego>
the place matters
<krb>
no I don't not yet
<krb>
I can't isru cos I haven't got any ore at all
<krb>
i'm in eve highlands and scanners say ore 8.33 percent
<Althego>
2 things influence this. the place on the planet and heat
<krb>
thankfully I can scoot along eve's surface at 60m/s with this vehicle
<krb>
so I can easily relocate but i'm running low on fueal
<Althego>
ah eve
<Althego>
there are places on eve that dont even have minable ore
<krb>
down is easy, up, not so much
<krb>
oh what
<krb>
it says ore 8.33%
<Althego>
there is a small flat island close to the shore of one of the seas. once i landed there to see if i can go back to orbit from that low altitude. there was no ore there at all
<Althego>
then the other thing is heat
<Althego>
i am not sure the heat on eve is taken into account. but for mining and isru radiators are a must
<Althego>
do you have radiators?
<Althego>
the bigger the better
<krb>
two large
<Althego>
that should be doing something
<Althego>
together with the 8.33% it should be ok
<Althego>
are the drills reaching the ground? it is not enough that they are touching
<Althego>
they have to go deep enough
<krb>
yes, right through thye surface
<krb>
I can adjust camera view and see them below the rendered ground
<krb>
also scanning arms hate me'
<Althego>
did you start them in surface harvester mode?
<krb>
yes
<Althego>
what does the drill action window say about its status?
<Althego>
harvesting?
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<krb>
harvesting then switching between harvest and inactivity
<Althego>
strange
<Althego>
that should stay in harvesting constantly
<krb>
0.007 a second
<Althego>
also do you have an engineer?
<krb>
ugh now it's refusing to go activve
<krb>
an engineer is piloting
<Althego>
must be some not too apparent issue then. these are he usual things we went through
<krb>
insufficient power
<krb>
the whole time
<minas_tirith>
Hi
<Mod9000>
Hello, minas_tirith
* minas_tirith
Mod9000
<krb>
nice name
<krb>
lol
<minas_tirith>
uwu
<krb>
;3
<minas_tirith>
krb, meow :
<minas_tirith>
;3
<Althego>
hehe didnt expect that
<Althego>
i pack two large solar panels for each large drill
<raptop>
にゃあ！
<Althego>
nyaa
<minas_tirith>
raptop, hewwo
<minas_tirith>
uwu
* raptop
should probably mess around more with my current campaign
* minas_tirith
messes around with raptop
<minas_tirith>
How are you
<raptop>
surviving
<Althego>
how is the research going?
<raptop>
probably not doing enough studying or research calcs/writing, but *gestures vaguely at the uncontained pandemic*
<krb>
I have 10 panels
<Althego>
life is an uncontained pandemic. or contained, but by earth
<krb>
i forgot to bother with them
<krb>
unless
<minas_tirith>
uwu
<krb>
there's life on maaaaaaaarrrs,
<Althego>
supposedly the heat on eve decreases solar panel efficiency
<Althego>
there probably is
<krb>
*crappy bowie reference intensifies*
<Althego>
some chemosynthesizing microbes many km underground
<krb>
lol someone asked me over my shoulder what chemosynthesising meant: I said "smol bug et rock"
<krb>
x3
<Althego>
hehe
<krb>
so
<krb>
bad joke
<raptop>
Althego: IIRC, yeah, post-1.0 solar panels have a heat component
<krb>
has anyone got a kersona
<krb>
nyehehehe
<krb>
ker-sona
<krb>
i may be more amused with myself than I should be
<Althego>
probably use the structural elements with the gold color scheme from making history
<Althego>
ah
<Althego>
in irc, there are no gold letters :)
<krb>
yellow
<minas_tirith>
krb, ists your client colors
<minas_tirith>
Its not controlled by server
<krb>
o
<minas_tirith>
Just what colors your client chooses
<Althego>
it wasnt yellow for me
<minas_tirith>
Yours is probably coloring the /me messages yellow
<krb>
you're teal, i'm pink, when you rp you're in yellow
<minas_tirith>
krb, type /me then a message
<raptop>
Must be the webchat client
* krb
hi
<krb>
ohh
<Althego>
test
<Althego>
well, still not yellow
<krb>
the drill disappeared
<krb>
off of the craft
<Althego>
lol
<Althego>
f3?
<krb>
idk where go
<krb>
ah
<krb>
crashed into terrain
<krb>
well duh it was in the terrain what's the dealio
<krb>
Is this /me kraken?
<krb>
fug no highlight
<Althego>
the actuall drill part is not colliding with the ground, the main body is
<minas_tirith>
hewwo
<minas_tirith>
<Althego>
so if the ship is shaking because of the drilling and the body is close to the ground, it can collide
<krb>
heyo
<krb>
hm
<krb>
should be 5m above the ground
<Althego>
then it is random base kraken thing
<Althego>
things can reposition and explode upon changing to that location
<krb>
a a a a
<krb>
changing to what location
<raptop>
proper collision physics hard
<krb>
the thing rests at 5m
<Althego>
when there is a scene change, for example from tracking station to something on a planetary surface. physics start up and probably the game also wants to put things on the ground
<krb>
now I can't find a place to sit still now I've landed
<Althego>
you cant :)
* raptop
wonders if the mimus flats are safer
<krb>
i keep rolling
<krb>
with brakes on
<Althego>
on landing legs?
<krb>
no it's got landing geaar
<Althego>
how steep is the slop?
<Althego>
e
<krb>
picture a plane/hourglass with fuel tanks in place of wings and a whole lot of wheels
<krb>
and rockets on the back
<krb>
for pushing it
<krb>
like 20 degrees
<Althego>
that is quite steep for eve
<krb>
sort of
<Althego>
you could try to rotate the plane so that the wheel direction is perpendicular to the slope
<Althego>
but probably doesnt help
<krb>
it is already
<krb>
0.2m/s slide
<krb>
but there isn't anywhere flat
<krb>
the flat bits are too small for the whole roverhing
<Althego>
there must be a local minimum somewhere :)
<krb>
roverthing
<krb>
i'm impressed with this design though, heavy, but it can travel realy infinitely on duna
<krb>
*nearly
<krb>
@raptop minmus is poorly suited for this craft
<krb>
ins tant bouncing and flipping
<krb>
goes over a bump and wheee
<Althego>
hehe
<krb>
buggered
<krb>
x3
<Althego>
so anyway doing wheels correctly is also hard
<Althego>
you can experiance sliding in ksp randomly on any surface
<krb>
they're on evenly
<krb>
no problems on a 35 degree hill on kerbin
<krb>
no turning problems
<krb>
can drift 180 degrees to stop quickly, from 80m/s
<krb>
it's just hard keeping it on the ground, anywhere but eve
<krb>
and dres is too hard
<krb>
i keep landing in an enormous crack with no sunlight
<krb>
xD
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
the only mildly interesting place there
<Althego>
if you assume that dres exists :)
<Althego>
the ksp version of the bielefeld conspiracy
<raptop>
Dres is inhabited by birds
<Althego>
blunderbirds?
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<raptop>
Dres isn't real, birds aren't real
<Althego>
i havent heard that
<krb>
...q u e?
<Deddly>
raptop isn't real
<krb>
dres is working for the bourgeoisie
<Althego>
but complex :)
<raptop>
well, yes, I have imaginary components
<krb>
don't we all
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<Althego>
m odcall
<Althego>
why
<raptop>
"chanlog" is not doing
<Mod9000>
I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
<Althego>
that, but why are there spaces in the m odcall
<Althego>
i could try to implement the chanlog, but i am not sure how fast it actually updates
<Mod9000>
I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
<Althego>
eh
<Deddly>
I dunno where the spaces came from
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<Althego>
at least it doesnt react to the topic
<Deddly>
That would be amusing
<Deddly>
Eggdrop is pretty robust. It shouldn't even get into a loop with another bot
<Deddly>
It's not infallible, but it's about as mature as software gets
<Althego>
not much development going on there
<Deddly>
It was updated just a few months ago
<Deddly>
How much development do you need on something that's been working mostly flawlessly since the '90s?
<krb>
now the isru won't work
<Althego>
stable release 1.8.4 2018
<Althego>
i dont consider it as update if there was no release
<Deddly>
Late December though
<Althego>
there are some commits though, from few days ago
<krb>
i've spent 20 mins for 4 units of fuel
<krb>
is that typical
<Althego>
it never was fast but i dont know its exact speed
<Deddly>
Seriously though, the first release was in 1993. I think they have ironed out most of the vulnerabilities since then
<Althego>
it can have heat issues too
<Deddly>
krb, it depends on how much ore there is at the location you have the ISRU set up.
<krb>
it hits 100k in 30s
<Deddly>
Have you done the scan?
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<Althego>
have you tried turning it off and on again? :)
<Deddly>
Looks like that's what he's doing right now
<Deddly>
Clearly lacks an SSD
<Althego>
webchat
<Deddly>
Yeah I know. Just kidding
<Deddly>
So I missed the crew mission in its entirety :(
<Althego>
cloning lxc 4 times. the host clearly lacks an ssd too
<Althego>
not really, they will be up there for half a year
<raptop>
Deddly: yeah, have to watch out for all those resources IRC consumes
<Althego>
heh, you can drag the pages with the cursor, and they bend as real paper would
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<Deddly>
And yet you can't bend the hard cover. Nice touch
<Deddly>
That's a really well put together report
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<Mat2ch>
.oO( what is going on here, while I'm sleeping? So much backlog! )
<Althego>
not important
<Mat2ch>
no road closures scheduled yet. That's important
<Mat2ch>
means: No flight this week :/
<krb>
all your rovers belong to china uwu
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<Mat2ch>
This could be interpreted as political expression/discussion. But since this is a real possibility, I file it under "possible threats that need discussion".
<Mat2ch>
:P
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<darsie>
Yay, someone downloaded my 'Second flight to Kerbin orbit' video :).
<Mat2ch>
darsie: a torrent is an interesting way to distribut those videos, but most people would have to set up a client for it first. :D
<Mat2ch>
Is there a torrent client for a webbrowser?
<darsie>
idk
<darsie>
Normal ppl would upload to youtube, but I don't want to stay away from google as much as possible.
<darsie>
220 MB is a bit much.
<Althego>
in this day and age? not really
<darsie>
for some ppl
<darsie>
on a phone
<packbart>
it's probably not easy. Non-HTTP connections with Javascript in Browsers is tricky, bordering on impossible
<Althego>
websockets and stuff
<Althego>
but that is black magic i dont need to know yet
<packbart>
that still relies on an initial HTTP request. UDP DHT probably won't work, either
<darsie>
I had a meal at a supermarket restaurant and tried to IRC, but it didn't work. They just opened some essential ports. IRC? We don't open that. Hackers use it.
<packbart>
Hotels aren't better. The more expensive the hotel, the worse is their Internet for anything but browsing
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
if ssh works, then it solves every problem
<darsie>
All those other orbit Kerbin tutorial videos use needlessly complex or overengineered rockets. I just used 16 FL100 tanks and a swivel.
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<Althego>
remember the song "go west" and do the exact opposite :)
<darsie>
:)
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<darsie>
The internal name for the small Klaw is smallClaw!
<darsie>
I will always find something to complain :).
<Althego>
where is the problem?
<darsie>
Should be smallKlaw!
<packbart>
it could be "part546761"
<packbart>
at least you don't have to type "persistant" like them modders do
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
what is "persistant"?
<Althego>
used for
<packbart>
it's an attribute for a field in a mod that should be saved in the persistent.sfs
<Althego>
hehe
<packbart>
"isPersistant = true"
<packbart>
I blame modern IDEs. they'll happily complete and change typos throughout the whole source code
<darsie>
Refuels in LKO and at Minmus orbit. Docking port balanced by rotating the mirror chutes and shifting the port.
<packbart>
darsie: yeah, the keys sometimes just stop what working. I guess the reason for the prominent "reset" option is that nobody knows how to fix it :)
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<darsie>
:)
<darsie>
Oh, forgot an antenna ...
* darsie
does the checklist ... Staging, electric, comms, crew, engineer.
<packbart>
"stop what working" wot. I don't even know what I meant
<Althego>
if keys stop working
<Althego>
i usually go int the locks menu and just kill that lock
<darsie>
"There is nothing concerning about this vessle." :)
<Althego>
this tarted to happen in 1.10 and i think in 1.9 too
<darsie>
locks?
<packbart>
Althego: the problem seems to be with the Editor Extensions mod, not in stock
<darsie>
imgur now requires me to disable ad blocking.
<Althego>
there is a submenu i the cheat menu for input locks
<Althego>
sometimes something stops keys from working
<Althego>
i think i cant even click
<Althego>
and then i just go into that input locks menu there is something with a button
<Althego>
i click on the button
<Althego>
and everything works gain
<darsie>
Console/Input locks
<packbart>
yeah, that's seems to be another common problem. there's even a mod with a "clear locks" toolbar button now
<packbart>
can't remember having that problem myself, though
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<Mat2ch>
How often do you want to be able to refill there?
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<darsie>
Till the next big bang :)
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<darsie>
Ohh, the refill was automatic :). All tanks were full and the refinery was active, automatically refilling whenever something docked.
<Althego>
what is the mass conversion ratio of ore to fuel + oxidizer?
<darsie>
1
<Althego>
hmm
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<Althego>
but it is denser, isnt it?
<Althego>
so basically it is valid solution to launch ore, then convert it in orbit
<darsie>
The fuel station Ap is aligned with Minmus AN. I don't think I did that intentionally, but it's great :).
<darsie>
Ore is denser.
<darsie>
mhm
<darsie>
And it's more flexible. Make LF/Ox/monoprop as needed.
<darsie>
I didn't launch ore, I think. I flew to get it from Minmus.
<Althego>
it seems space people never hurry
<darsie>
I use time warp :).
<Althego>
in reality it only works for events in the past
<packbart>
are they out yet? I wasn't watching for a while
<Althego>
no
<Althego>
that is why i said they never hurry
<packbart>
well, airlocks are large holes if handled in a hurry
<Althego>
because of some leak check they went down to vacuum, and then partially repressurized
<Althego>
supposedly this is the first usage of this module as an airlcock
<Althego>
so that is understandable
<packbart>
we really need those force fields
<Althego>
anly if you have an antimatter energy source :)
<packbart>
the Enterprise's shuttle bay never had to wait so long
<packbart>
Althego: it's probably also the last use of this airlock if I heard that correctly. they're going to unplug and deorbit it next month, then supposedly replace it with a new module
<packbart>
err, next year
<Althego>
isnt that the module on the other side?
<Althego>
so they exit the poisk
<Althego>
but they want to get rid of pirs
<Althego>
to get nauka
<packbart>
ah. I thought they were using Pirs today. makes sense though
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<Althego>
pirs is towards the bottom, poisk is on the top
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<Althego>
they are out
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<Althego>
they conduct repair in orbit: the orbital mechanics :)
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<darsie>
mission accomplished
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<Mat2ch>
What a beautitful netsplit
<Mat2ch>
So empty, so quiet
<Mat2ch>
:D
<Althego>
not that much happens even without it
<Mat2ch>
well
<Mat2ch>
the Vega rocket that crashed had cables wrong connected
<Mat2ch>
that is something the you usually design in a way that it can't possibly happen, except you force it really really hard
<Althego>
i think the upside down accelerometer was like that too
<Althego>
if spacex is progressing with this speed, they will have to launch sn8, because there will be no place left for sn9
<Althego>
!nela
<Althego>
what
<Althego>
lol the princess (bot is in another castle)
<Althego>
megdöglöttem
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<Mat2ch>
Althego: there's another launch stand for SN9
<Mat2ch>
SN10 on the other hand...
<Althego>
nice
<Althego>
but why isnt the split ending
<Mat2ch>
Not sure
<Mat2ch>
maybe the one server they all were connected to died the hard way
<Althego>
i dont think so, then people would come back in from another server
<Althego>
probably this one has an issue
<Mat2ch>
Then we should reconnect and see!
<Althego>
according to the bot it is connected to something
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