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Starwaster >
So what's the deal on RO updating to 1.3? I've been out of things for the past couple of weeks
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man, the early controllable core does not have a lot of avionics
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awang >
soundnfury: I like your taste in music :D
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awang >
Is there a way to "turn off" proc avionics?
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awang >
Like make them stop drawing power?
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wb99999999 >
hey...
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wb99999999 >
I think we could use a metholox ecosystem in RO in the future
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wb99999999 >
there's too few options if you want to use a bunch of methane engines
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blowfish >
wb99999999: to be fair, no methalox engines have even flown at this point in time
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wb99999999 >
I am aware
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wb99999999 >
but neither do any NTR
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wb99999999 >
I believe there's some liberty in RO
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awang >
The parachute icons in the staging stack are lying to me :(
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awang >
Grey background, indicating that parachutes should be fine to deploy
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awang >
Parachutes deploy, instantly destroyed
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taniwha >
awang: realchutes?
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Howdy
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BadRocketsCo >
Welp, it's official
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BadRocketsCo >
Organic chemistry is work of the devil
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awang >
taniwha: Yep, RealChutes
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awang >
Also, if we're going for realism should the crewed sound barrier contract have a time/altitude restriction?
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awang >
To avoid using rockets instead?
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blowfish >
vertical speed maybe
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blowfish >
hard to say what's acceptable in this regard - the X1 did use a rocket engine after all
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awang >
idk, I was thinking basically some way to try to gauge level/sustained flight
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awang >
Don't think it'd apply for crewed Karman, though
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blowfish >
I think you can set a maximum vertical speed
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awang >
Might be walking a fine line
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awang >
How fast did the X15 ascend?
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blowfish >
I suspect not very fast when it was nearing Mach 1, but I don't know for sure
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blowfish >
the record I've always heard for it was "breaking the sound barrier in level flight"
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awang >
So maybe something like ±10 m/s limit for 1 or 2 minutes?
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blowfish >
yeah, that seems pretty reasonable
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awang >
Patch incoming, then. Maybe.
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blowfish >
of course, nothing prevents you from launching a rocket vertically then flying it horizontally
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awang >
True, although at that point it's sort of blurring the lines, isn't it
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awang >
And given the sorry state of the runway, it might be ok
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blowfish >
heh yeah
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blowfish >
although I thought RP-0 starts above the tier 0 runway now
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Rokker >
ferram4: oi
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Rokker >
ferram4: remember fairings over the gridfins guy
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ferram4 >
What next? Fairings over the engine exhausts?
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Rokker >
ferram4: he got a problem right in freshmen physics, clearly hes far smarter than i thought
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ferram4 >
Someone should ask him what he thinks the aerodynamic proportion of dV losses during ascent is.
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ferram4 >
I suspect his numbers will be equivalent to pre-1.0, no-FAR KSP.
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Rokker >
ferram4: i tried pointing out to him that for something like the saturn V it was only 50 m/s
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ferram4 >
Even with the smaller Falcon 9 scale it shouldn't be much more than 150 m/s
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Rokker >
ferram4: even that sounds high if you ask me
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Rokker >
but you are more of an expert than i
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ferram4 >
I'm setting an upper limit.
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ferram4 >
I don't think it can get higher than 150 m/s for that size. Actual estimate I'd put it around 100 m/s.
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Rokker >
ferram4: and what portion do you think is caused by folded grid fins?
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Rokker >
10% perhaps?
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Bornholio >
those russians with chain link fence for interstages must be pulling an extra 1000m/s for drag too right? :P
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Rokker, maybe? Depends on what speed. I can see it being a very large portion around Mach 1 - 1.5 where the drag from the front and legs won't be very high, but the flat surface of the fins will be a bigger deal.
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ferram4 >
But a "very large portion" still isn't much more than 15% or so
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ferram4 >
They just aren't big enough
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ProjectThoth >
F9 S1?
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Rokker >
ProjectThoth: we are discussing grid fin guy
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ProjectThoth >
Oh, that moron.
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ProjectThoth >
Oh, NO.
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ProjectThoth >
NONONONO
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Rokker >
ProjectThoth: hes a genius man
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Rokker >
ProjectThoth: i mean did you see what he did in freshman physics?
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ProjectThoth >
Rokker: No, what'd he do?
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Rokker >
ProjectThoth: read the replies
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ProjectThoth >
I just found it.
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ProjectThoth >
This is why parents should hit their kids.
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ProjectThoth >
He could literally calculate the drag at maximum dynamic pressure by himself.
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ProjectThoth >
He could even treat them as flat fucking plates.
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ProjectThoth >
And I guarantee that the drag force nets a penalty of less than a meter per second.
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ProjectThoth >
Also, what the hell is "mg/6" referring to?
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ProjectThoth >
I'm still pissed that ptp is considered a valid business model, this is just making it worse.
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awang >
blowfish: It starts on the tier 3 runway, but it still has issues, unfortunately :(
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blowfish >
oh right
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blowfish >
but didn't some work go into a recent version of KSP to fix the seams?
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blowfish >
1.3 maybe?
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egg >
<ferram4> What next? Fairings over the engine exhausts? :D :D :D
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awang >
blowfish: I thought so too, but I'm on 1.3, and can assure you that the runway is still a pain in the neck
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blowfish >
oh nice, screw dropping from a bomber or booster rockets or whatever, my X-1 type thing can take off and reach Mach 1 on its own
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soundnfury >
blowfish: well done :)