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<awang> ...One of my landed probes just literally _vanished_
<awang> Returned using FMRS, go back to space center after landing but after recovering due to misclick
<awang> _gone_
<awang> Also, is there a reliable way to determine how much dv you lose due to aerodynamic drag?
<awang> /r/spacex guy notwithstanding
<ProjectThoth> Well, yeah, you gotta shroud your grid fins.
<awang> Speaking of which, are there working FAR-compatible grid fins in any pack?
<awang> Seems to me that they'd be slightly more difficult to model than regular fins
<awang> Wonder if /r/spacex guy would take KSP for evidence :P
<ProjectThoth> I don't think FAR models grid fins yet.
<awang> ferram4: ^
<awang> How hard would it be?
<ferram4> Absolutely not possible without lots of extra work, and I haven't found any concise and simple way of modelling them at all.
<ferram4> Grid fins are complicated.
<ferram4> The folded configuration shouldn't be, but the extended one is.
<ProjectThoth> Just put a shroud on them, it'll add a hundred billion kilos of payload.
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<schnobs> heya.
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<Rockwell> My output log is being spammed with
<Rockwell> "Trying to create a material from string - this is no longer supported.
<Rockwell> (Filename: Line: 638)"
<Rockwell> Any idea what this error is about?
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<schnobs> Rockwell: sorry, I don't have the slightest.
<schnobs> (been looking at your question for so long, at least wanted to let you know that it has been seen. This channel is not dead.)
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<taniwha> Rockwell: some mod is attempting to load a shader from a string which is no longer supported
<taniwha> don't know which one. look for magenta objects
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<BadRocketsCo> Woop woop!
<BadRocketsCo> Getting ready for the first ATV and Gemini docking
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<schnobs> Why is it that ckan tends to stall on downloads?
<schnobs> I know this from mass-install, but right now I even get it for a single download.
<schnobs> OK, I get it. Github just has a slow day.
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<schnobs> or maybe it's the CDN? My server can pull the file quickly, but me@home receives mere bytes per minute.
<BadInternetCo> Hmm
<BadInternetCo> I wonder what'd be the most cost-effective way of launching a Gemini to lunar orbit
<BadInternetCo> Would a fully loaded Agena do the trick?
<schnobs> IIRC, no way.
<BadInternetCo> Hmm
<schnobs> Though I only ever planned for there and back missions. If you just want to get there, Agena might do.
<BadInternetCo> Nah, I'm not a big fan of casualties :P
<schnobs> But I think I used more like a centaur to get there, and an Agena to get back.
<BadInternetCo> ah, that does make sense
<schnobs> (not the actual items, but similar stages hand-shaped to the purpose).
<BadInternetCo> Hmm, maybe I should add an AJ10 and a small fuel tank to the gemini, dock it with an agena and then try again
<BadInternetCo> I remember trying that but can't remember if that worked
<schnobs> Could someone please look in their CKAN download folder, what's the checksum-prefix for procedural fairings?
<schnobs> (ProcFairings_4.0.zip)
<schnobs> never mind, figured it out.
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<APlayer> Hi people! Just decided I'd have another try at installing RO, and joined in case I have problems
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<APlayer> Could anyone try downloading CKAN? Is it really slow, or do I for some reason fail to download it? https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/releases
<APlayer> Okay, nevermind that. GitHub seems to be overloaded or blocked by my firewall or something, I cannot download any files.
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<taniwha> seems ok here. try again?
<APlayer> The downalod ZIP link in the master branch is kind of working (At < 100 KB/s :/ ) and releases don't download at all
<APlayer> Let me restart my computer, perhaps that helps
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<APlayer> Nope, no effect
<schnobs> APlayer: had the same issue two hours ago.
<APlayer> What solved it?
<schnobs> Apperently something's odd about amazonaws (the github CDN) -- it will happily deliver to some network but not others.
<schnobs> I solved it by using enother network.
<schnobs> If you have some way of connecting to the internet through another provider? Cellphone vs cable perhaps, or ask a neighbour?
<APlayer> Uh, I don't know. May I use one of those browser based bouncers?
<APlayer> I am not very knowledgeable with networking, forgive me if I am misunderstanding that
<schnobs> No, you're gtting it right.
<github> [RealismOverhaul] h0yer opened pull request #1778: Maufacturer entry updates and conformalization (dev...maufacturer-update) https://git.io/vdWXH
<APlayer> Uh, I don't think I can connect through a neighbour, I am living in a stand-alone house. Cellphone could work, but I have a 100 MB monthly flatrate, I don't think that's enough.
<APlayer> Is the issue gone for you?
<APlayer> Or did you switch networks?
<APlayer> What I /may/ do (but it's a headache) is try to get the files from my shared hosting space and download them from there via FTP :P
<schnobs> That's basically what I did :)
<schnobs> I just needed a single file, though.
<APlayer> I mean, I can just make it get files given the URL, shouldn't be too hard
<schnobs> (bites tongue)
<schnobs> It *is* easy if you know how. I don't, though, and inventing that particular wheel would probably take me a while.
<schnobs> All I know is that "it shouldn't be too hard". But I still remember the last time I said that.
<APlayer> Oh, I've been working with PHP just recently, I think I know how to do it... Let me have a try, I believe it won't be more than two or three lines
<APlayer> There we go. Code: <?php copy($_GET["url"], basename($_GET["url"])); ?>
<APlayer> Request files using file.php?url=requestedfileurl
<APlayer> Now I realize I have a problem, though. I downloaded CKAN, but it's completely useless because I have to do things by hand with this script
<APlayer> Unless my host is okay with me running a Windows .exe on his server and downloading thigs this way :P
<APlayer> Ooh, the "normal" download just went past 100 KB. I guess I'll keep my now-downloaded CKAN and attempt the thing another time
<APlayer> Ah, no, CKAN seems to work for some reason. Perhaps it has its own server?
<APlayer> Anyway, does it affect my GPU strongly which RSS textures I select? I have devent (8 GB) RAM, but a crappy GPU.
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<APlayer> '
<APlayer> And that is easily explained by clicking on that link
<APlayer> What mod needs that?
<APlayer> Ah, nevermind, RP-0 depends on SXT and SXT depends on that
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<schnobs> Ahhh! Are there any fairings that do not suck?
<schnobs> Procfairings at least allow for the desired size, but don't hold the part above them. And as I just noticed, they don't decouple either.
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<schnobs> OK, decoupling was my fault. Sorry about that.
<schnobs> Anyway, how's this for an ugly duckling?
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<APlayer> Hi again!
<APlayer> I still have trouble with installing RO via CKAN (not mentioning by hand)
<APlayer> It gets stuck downloading B9PartSwitch, however I managed to download it by hand directly. May I cancel this process and trick it into thinking it has already downloaded and cached B9PartSwitch?
<APlayer> I installed it by hand already, but it keeps downloading (and failing) anyway
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<APlayer> To be exact, I found the cache folder myself, but there is some hex before each file name. Probably a checksum of some sort? How may I recreate this?
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<APlayer> Also, GitHub is working again! :-)
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<APlayer> Okay, I am off for today then. See you!
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<github> [RealismOverhaul] AlphaMike741 opened pull request #1779: New AdjustableCoMShifter class (master...master) https://git.io/vdlWt
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<Rockwell> Thanks schnobs and taniwha
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<ProjectThoth> Has anyone here done high-powered rocketry?
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