<Eddi|zuHause>
<Scolar_Visari> Item Number 1: Space, in fact, exists. <-- somehow i think that this line would get more controversial replies than anything else you could write...
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<UmbralRaptop>
Nah. They'd have to claim something controversial like "earth is not a cube" or "birds exist"
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<Guest36993>
m7000 survey scanner needs to be below 60000km above surface, i keep slowing down in the atmosphere and crashing
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<Guest36993>
ok then
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<packbart>
Scanning Jool?
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<JVFoxy>
I do a twin mk1 command pod version with 6 juno engine packs to fly out to highlands and mountains for science. Have to be careful landingon mountains as juno's don't preform quite as well high up
<JVFoxy>
technically, I don't need the winglets. They more there for directionatly
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<Scolar_Visari>
Sons and daughters of Kerbin: By Korolev's bright glare!
<Scolar_Visari>
Alright, I've now gotten to the point in this awful movie where Salyut 7 has a fire (which did not happen) that forces it to explosively decompress (which also did not happen).
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<UmbralRaptor>
Better than by Teller's bright glare >_>
<Scolar_Visari>
THE GLOW, THE BEAUTIFUL GLOW!
<Scolar_Visari>
Also: The movie has foreign news media speculate that Salyut 7 is going to crash and it has nuclear weapons aboard that will detonate.
<Scolar_Visari>
And now the Soyuz got gutted by the fire. I'll give you three guesses as to whether this happened or not.
<UmbralRaptor>
… are they going to launch a replacement Soyuz?
<Scolar_Visari>
Given how poorly this movie is constructed, I'd almost expect them to simply pilot it back to Earth by eyeball.
<Scolar_Visari>
To my knowledge, only one unmanned Soyuz has ever been sent up to a space station as a relief ship. Otherwise, they were always occupied, mostly as part of the Interkosmos program.
<Scolar_Visari>
Ah, yes, Soyuz 32 to Salyut 6 because the original relief craft had failed to dock.
<UmbralRaptor>
huh
<JVFoxy>
weapon wise... didn't one of the designs include some 'space gun' for anti spy satellite thing?
<UmbralRaptor>
One of the earlier Salyuts
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<JVFoxy>
looking it up.. ya 3
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<JVFoxy>
though wasn't ever fired while anyone was on board due to concerns over shaking the station
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<Scolar_Visari>
It's believed the ~23mm cannon (exact caliber and specifications are unknown) was less intended as an ASAT weapon and more for ASAT missile defense.
<Scolar_Visari>
Remember that the Almaz configuration Salyuts were intended as military observation stations, so it was thought they might be ASAT missile targets.
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<Scolar_Visari>
Teehee, they light up a cigarette in space.
<UmbralRaptor>
Did they at least burn a bunch of CPU time to make the smoke interesting?
<Scolar_Visari>
Nope, it actually looks like something from a game developed a decade ago.
<Scolar_Visari>
They used up all their CGI time for zero-g water.
<Scolar_Visari>
Did I mention I hate this movie?
<Azander>
Which one?
<Scolar_Visari>
What makes this smoking all the worse is that A. There's no fresh air running through the ship and B. THE STATION WAS JUST ON FIRE.
<Scolar_Visari>
Azander: Salyut 7 the movie. It's like if Apollo 13 was directed by Michael Bay.
<Azander>
ahhhh, too many inaccuracies ruined Apollo 13 for me too (little things)
<Scolar_Visari>
And I don't mean Bad Boys Michael Bay or The Rock Michael Bay. No, I mean Pearl Harbor Michael Bay, but in space.
<JVFoxy>
ugh.. youtube channel I follow posted a bunch of actual footage from Apollo 11. Trouble is, they at least half a day long each
<Scolar_Visari>
This movie is so inaccurate, I literally have over 2,100 words for the first 16 minutes of run time. This movie runs nearly two hours.
<Scolar_Visari>
[sarcasm]NASA probably removed the parts with aliens![/sarcasm]
<JVFoxy>
hyper acurrate, stupid long vs inaccurate, supposedly short?
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<Scolar_Visari>
Long and so inaccurate I think I've suffered a severe concussion.
<UmbralRaptor>
ow
<Scolar_Visari>
Even so, the filmmakers decided to add padding in the form of a Space Shuttle Challenger stealing Salyut subplot.
<JVFoxy>
eh.. well, I saved my videos, need right mood to sit back and watch. Probably take me a few months on and off
<Scolar_Visari>
Amusingly, the only Challenger mission that would've taken place in the timeframe of the movie was both canceled and for an entirely different inclination for the infamous TDRS-B sat.
<JVFoxy>
scolar_visari how do you rate it against Gravity movie?
<Scolar_Visari>
JVFoxy: Worse. At least Gravity doesn't pretend to be based on real events.
<JVFoxy>
who needs satellite killers when you got space debris planet-wide..
<Scolar_Visari>
In retrograde orbits at all altitudes!
* Scolar_Visari
notes Salyut 7 even has a Gravity moment with debris crippling the station, which is a lot more exciting than a simple bad relay preventing the batteries from charging.
<JVFoxy>
shows with anti-space plots: Earth: final conflict - flying cars but aliens programmed a barrier into them. Defiance: radiation, though guess being in stasis helps get around that?
* UmbralRaptor
is convinced that you could do a good miniseries about the Salyuts and Mir
<Azander>
Space 1999
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<JVFoxy>
Azander now sure how that relates to anti-space travel plot theme. Though how much nuke power was back there that pushed moon out from earth and not oboliterate everything?
<Azander>
that and the Eagles were nuke powered without needing fuel
<Azander>
yet they had plumes :P
<Rokker>
Scolar_Visari: long time no see, how ya been
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* Scolar_Visari
grumbles something about suffering for one's art.
<Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Salyut 1 could be a pretty good movie in and of itself.
<Scolar_Visari>
Ditto with Mir during its later years.
<UmbralRaptop>
I mean, Soyuz T-13, T-15, That Progress collision…
<Scolar_Visari>
Well Salyut 1 did have the crew dying on the way back down.
* Scolar_Visari
remembers they can separate the movie into its own window.
<Scolar_Visari>
I might actually rival the Pearl Harbor BadHistory thread if I keep this up.
<JVFoxy>
technically, you could use a fusion core to power thrusters, but you'd need to input some reaction mass, or else, core would eventually run out
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<Scolar_Visari>
Or use the fusion process as propulsion!
* Scolar_Visari
actually likes to think that the ships in Elite: Dangerous employ fusion thermal rockets because they don't need high IS.
<JVFoxy>
using a nuke like a ram jet.. pass air over it.. eh. so, radiators?
<Scolar_Visari>
Well there have already been terrestrial tests of fission nuclear thermal rockets using liquid hydrogen propellant.
<Scolar_Visari>
This would be the same, albeit with a proton chain fusion reactor.
<UmbralRaptop>
The full proton chain? Including deuterium production?
<Scolar_Visari>
However it works in Battletech.
* Scolar_Visari
suspects tiny fusion gnomes are responsible.
<Scolar_Visari>
10 minutes left. Thank the Chief Designer!
<Scolar_Visari>
The spacesuit CGI is pretty bad, too. It's not far removed from Babylon 5, which makes me think they must've done the animations in a single night.
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<JVFoxy>
B-5, have to give them a little slack, given the era they did CGI in
<Scolar_Visari>
This movie has no such excuse, especially since there aren't any likeable characters like Ambassadros Londo and G'Kar.
* Scolar_Visari
winces upon seeing the not Soyuz-T again.
<Scolar_Visari>
OH BOY HERE'S CHALLENGER!
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<UmbralRaptop>
Given how this has been I'm going to assume that Challenger has Columbia's black chines for no reason
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<Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Amusingly, one of the few errors pointed out on the film's IMDB page was the fact that Challenger was boasting NASA insignia from the 90's!
<UmbralRaptop>
Oh, they have the meatball?
<Scolar_Visari>
Yep!
<Scolar_Visari>
Phew! It's over, now I just have to write a small novel.
<Scolar_Visari>
Oh good grief they couldn't even get T-13's launch time remotely accurate!
<Scolar_Visari>
You'd think there'd be HD stock footage of a Soyuz launch during the day!