<GlassYuri>
bones have a head and a tail, and as you'd expect the head is at the bottom
<GlassYuri>
(this might be standard terminology, in that case 'wtf computer graphics')
<ObservatoryRaptop>
Ah, the Australian edition
<Eddi|zuHause>
is it maybe about which end is further away from the body?
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<Scolar_Visari>
Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Where beith the creme filling?
<Scolar_Visari>
Also, I have good news: Salyut 7 is on Amazon Prime! I also have some bad news: Salyut 7 is on Amazon Prime.
<ObservatoryRaptop>
It's easy: just get through the hard candy shell of kerbin
<JVFoxy>
caramel is just posing as hot flowing magma
<JVFoxy>
come to think of it... there even any active plate tectonics on kerbin? I've not sure there's even volcanoes...
* Scolar_Visari
approaches a Kerbal and, with a great extension of their third grasping appendage, snatches the hapless peon with malevolent intent. With deliberate force, the poor Kerbal is snuffed out of existence and into red gibs as the grasping appendage squeezes as a vice.
<Scolar_Visari>
So . . . the cream filling's red?
* Scolar_Visari
wipes up one of the larger remaining pieces of viscera and partakes in a flavoring of pulped internal organs.
<Scolar_Visari>
Ew, this tastes awfully salty.
<Eddi|zuHause>
did they blame the kraken?
<ObservatoryRaptop>
Careful: several percent of those salts are fissiles
<Scolar_Visari>
Now that you mention it, the presence of mountains and clear continental shelves would indicate some level of tectonic activity.
<Scolar_Visari>
ObservatoryRaptop: Why careful? What do you think runs through my veins? I am powered by molten fissioning salts!
<Scolar_Visari>
The flavor could still use some work. Imma put this on my Yelp! review.
<ObservatoryRaptop>
hrm
<Scolar_Visari>
"Kerbals require considerable effort to eat raw, as most are stuffed inside hard, white shells and run around to avoid capture. Once you've gone through the motions of cracking them like a nut, all you get is a rubbery, bland texture filled with too many hints of salt. 1/10 would not recommend, visit Earth instead."
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<Scolar_Visari>
Alright, time to stop messing around and enter the nightmare fueled realm that is 2017's Salyut 7.
<JVFoxy>
eh.. c.c;
<JVFoxy>
kerbals vs minions...
* ObservatoryRaptop
gets the impression that it takes many liberties
<Scolar_Visari>
I'm doing a whole BadHistory article on it, if I survive to the end without permanent brain damage.
<JVFoxy>
I might try to do a Kerbal 'not space program' game session..
<Scolar_Visari>
The Kerbal Submarine Program?
<JVFoxy>
water kerbals
<Scolar_Visari>
You even get to keep the name and logo!
<ObservatoryRaptop>
AIUI, you can unlock all the techs that don't require upgrading the buildings without leaving the atmosphere
<JVFoxy>
was thinking more land based... just getting under water is pretty tough as is
<Eddi|zuHause>
reminds me of that time i used a car to get to one of the easter egg sites
<Eddi|zuHause>
i quickly complained about the lack of roads on kerbin
<Eddi|zuHause>
and ended up unable to cross the mountains
<Scolar_Visari>
Hah! The movie actually starts out with Svetlana Savitskaya's vacuum welding EVA!
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<Scolar_Visari>
Already some Bad History here. Salyut 7 has too many Solar panels.
<UmbralRaptop>
Just repurpose a TKS
<Scolar_Visari>
And, what on Korolev's red Earth . . . IS THAT A SOYUZ 7K!?
<UmbralRaptop>
Oops
<Scolar_Visari>
That's a pretty big oops. That'd be like like having American GIs in World War II movies using M-14s instead of M1 Garands.
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<GlassYuri>
UmbralRaptop, you can't upgrade the buildings without leaving atmo?
<GlassYuri>
or is it just not possible to get enough money and science to proceed further?
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<GlassYuri>
things that exist: "international " youth hostels that don't accept foreigners
<UmbralRaptop>
GlassYuri: you probably can with enough effort. More of a comment on how much science you can scavenge from Kerbin alone
<UmbralRaptop>
Also O_o at those hostels
<GlassYuri>
and how much fun is it to proceed further after the first few nodes?
<Scolar_Visari>
If I keep stopping to note the bad history in this movie . . . I'll literally be working on it for weeks.
<GlassYuri>
actually, even if I go to space, I always feel like the progression mechanics in this game are precision engineered to steer you away from doing the things you actually want to do
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<Scolar_Visari>
And, barely three minutes in, we get a spacesuit puncturing that didn't happen . . .
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<Scolar_Visari>
And, oh dear, they're throwing a fit about the suit pressure dropping to 0.7 atmospheres. Some one better tell them that's too high for an Orlan . .
<UmbralRaptor>
How are they this bad at their own space program?
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<Scolar_Visari>
The same way Gravity was I guess?
<Scolar_Visari>
It seems like the movie was little more than a cheap cash in to ride the same wave that The Martian and Gravity already brought in at the time.
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* Scolar_Visari
notes a similar phenomenon is in play with NTV's response to Chernobyl, which includes CIA sabotage.
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<Scolar_Visari>
And, oh dear, we start to get into the Space Shuttle Challenger subplot
<Scolar_Visari>
I . . . I should've settled for the trailer. I knew this was going to be a steaming pile of garbage, BUT I HAD NO IDEA IT WOULD BE THIS BAD!
<Scolar_Visari>
This is the part where sane people start ripping their eyes out Event Horizon style.
<Scolar_Visari>
Well, this is certainly more than I bargained for. Looks like I might have to post this in multiple installments and hope my sanity holds out.
* Scolar_Visari
goes off to take a cold shower in 99% purified water and go sob in a corner.
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<GlassYuri>
"15) You may disassemble and reverse engineer any part of this program, although just looking at the sourcecode is easier"
<GlassYuri>
(cheat engine license terms)
<Eddi|zuHause>
well, some people need that spelled out
<Eddi|zuHause>
(btw, the german copyright law says any clause limiting your rights to reverse engineer is void)
<Rolf>
fancy
<GlassYuri>
Eddi|zuHause, does that allow me to reverse engineer an executable and write my own one that does the exact same thing?
<GlassYuri>
I mean, it will have bugs, so not the *exact* same thing
<Eddi|zuHause>
GlassYuri: somewhat, but it limits your ability to distribute it to people that own a license of the original
<Eddi|zuHause>
that is, if you do anything other than just running the original program and looking what it's doing
<GlassYuri>
I'm thinking about remaking a game. you'd still have to legally aquire the original assets (or replace all of them) to make use of it
<Eddi|zuHause>
afair there's also two different levels of allowed reverse engineering if you're making bugfixes/interoperability fixes to a program or trying to make a separate competing program
<Eddi|zuHause>
but IANAL
<GlassYuri>
yeah, thought that could not possibly be legal
<GlassYuri>
but what if I can recreate a program by observing it's function without reverse engineering the executable
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<Eddi|zuHause>
i think then you can do whatever
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<packbart>
unless the function is covered by patents
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<darsie>
Is the Mun librating?
<Althego>
not a sync moon
<Althego>
but kerbin is probably librating
<Althego>
from the mun
<Althego>
on the other hand both duna and ike does that when watched from the other
<darsie>
No libration seen from Mun. Kerbin is always at a fixed location in the sky.
<Fluburtur>
Mat2ch can you send me another shipment of por?
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<Mat2ch>
Fluburtur: you haven't really used all of it, did you?
<Eddi|zuHause>
yeah, since you can't map the trajectory to the ground (taking into account planet rotation throughout the orbit), taking direct aim is... tricky at best
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<Fluburtur>
this stuff is extremely good at sticking foam to 3d printed parts
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<Scolar_Visari>
Sons and daughters of Kerbin: That sound you hear is the ghost of Korolev haunting the channel.
* Scolar_Visari
has determined that, despite the implausibility of it all, the Salyut 7 movie some how got even worse after the five minute mark.
<Scolar_Visari>
I've also determined that, save for differences in the Solar panels and the docking mechanism, the Soyuz craft in the movie are otherwise identical in appearance to the Soyuz 7K-TM.
<Scolar_Visari>
On the ends of the main Solar panels? Oh no, those are actually attached panels added during EVAs.
<Scolar_Visari>
Interestingly, that's another thing the movie gets wrong. The film starts out with Salyut 7 boasting a pair of Solar panel augments on all three arrays, whereas the third wasn't added until after the repairs of Soyuz T-13 had been completed.
<Scolar_Visari>
I imagine the station's radiators were, like that of Soyuz, conformed with the hull.
<UmbralRaptop>
hrm
* Scolar_Visari
notes the white things are probably radiator panels.
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<Scolar_Visari>
Salyut 1 used repurposed Soyuz instrumentation modules and their heat rejection apparatus.
<Scolar_Visari>
More amusingly, there's a sub-plot in the film about Challenger being launched to steal the station. While much attention is made of the ability of the station to physically fit inside the Orbiter, the movie ignores the Orbiters' limit payload return capabilities.
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<Scolar_Visari>
All three Challenger missions in 1985 also had the Orbiter carry a Spacelab, which precluded returning something else.
<UmbralRaptop>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Scolar_Visari>
The movie also has Salyut 7 fail because of a micrometeroid or ASAT deployment ripping the Solar panels to shreds. A lot more interesting than reality: A bad circuit.
<UmbralRaptop>
hm. Salyut 7 was 18.9 tonnes, HST is 11.11
<Scolar_Visari>
Admittedly, Hubble went to a higher orbit.
<Scolar_Visari>
Ideal Orbiter return to Earth is just over 14 metric tons. Even if it were bone dry and the Solar panels were removed, I have no doubt that would still go over the Orbiter's capabilities.
<UmbralRaptop>
ah
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<Scolar_Visari>
To say nothing of trying to wrestle it in, particularly if it were still spinning.
* Scolar_Visari
is amused that the movie was rotating more wildly during the docking sequence than the Endurance was in Interstellar.
<Scolar_Visari>
*movie Salyut 7
* Scolar_Visari
also ponder if the recent rocket disaster in Russia involved a test of a nuclear powered scramjet.
<UmbralRaptop>
Quite possibly. Still waiting for more details
<Scolar_Visari>
Can't think of any other reason there'd be fissioning thingies inside a testing missile thingy.
<FLHerne>
Scolar_Visari: What movie is this?
<FLHerne>
I don't see why discarding a Spacelab module would be impossible in an emergency
<Scolar_Visari>
FLHerne: Salyut 7, also it's not merely a matter of discarding it, but then fitting an uncooperative Salyut 7 inside.
* Scolar_Visari
notes the movie took so many liberties that the things the makers got right would occupy a much shorter list.
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<Scolar_Visari>
Item Number 1: Space, in fact, exists.
<UmbralRaptop>
This is starting to sound like Armageddon
<Scolar_Visari>
I get the vibe that it's meant to be Russian Gravity.
<Scolar_Visari>
Or, perhaps more accurately: Pearl Harbor . . . IN SPACE!