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<QualifiedRaptop>
;mission
<LunchBot>
QualifiedRaptop: Wernher claims to have a plan to turn the entire astronaut complex into a rocket... Your skill at breaking KSP gets you invited to the Experimental team.
<QualifiedRaptop>
The bot appears to have left out several steps, unless I'm Wernher?
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<Guest76694>
I'm having trouble transfering science data from an Experimental Storage Unit to another ship. The ESU is on one of two ships that are both docked to a station on different ports, and when I click the ESU I get the prompt to click another part to transfer it to, but the command module of the second ship doesn't light up ... in fact, no other parts
<Guest76694>
light up. I've tried putting a Kerbal on EVA outside the lander can with the ESU on it, but when I open the PAW I don't get an option to get at the data. Am I missing something?
<umaxtu>
PAW?
<Guest76694>
Part Action Window - the one that opens up when you right click on a part
<umaxtu>
ah
<umaxtu>
I use the mod Ship Manifest to move science around
<Guest76694>
I've heard of that, but haven't loaded it. A couple days ago I had a similar situation: data in one command module that I wanted to move to another craft. I was able to park a Kerbal on the first ship, transfer the data, then moved to the second ship. When the Kerbal boarded the second ship, the data was transfered. I was expecting to be able to do
<Guest76694>
something like that here, but apparently no such luck. I wonder if it has something to do with the data being in the ESU, and needing to go into another ESU...?
<umaxtu>
maybe. I haven't used the ESU much
<Guest76694>
I'll keep playing with it ... maybe I have to send up another ship with an ESU to take the data from the first one... oh well.
<Guest76694>
Thanks anyhow.
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<flayer>
/me rescues two pilots
* flayer
rescues two pilots
* flayer
dismisses them
* flayer
rescues two scientists
* flayer
cheers
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<darsie>
Some contracts require pilots on board of space stations.
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<raptop>
Obviously we should have a #KSPOfficial chess tournament or something
<Althego>
lol
<FLHerne>
I can add stuff to LunchBot if there are good suggestions
<Althego>
against computer or pvp?
<FLHerne>
Got to be pvp
<Althego>
then you dont need the bot
<FLHerne>
Or everyone votes for moves against the computer, "Twitch Plays" style
<Ariri>
'global thermonuclear warfare'
<raptop>
Ariri: so, DEFCON?
<Ariri>
It'd be cool, but I was more just alluding to War Games as a joke
<raptop>
fair
<Althego>
stream starts in about 2 hours
<Izaya>
Would you like to play a game? [begins clicking like a geiger counter]
<Althego>
that branch rebase at the end of the day was tiring. not enough concentration points remaining to play ksp
* raptop
wonders if there are any games where nuclear reactors can suffer from xenon poisoning
<raptop>
...though really, the games I played most recently were War on the Sea, and, er, Baldur's Gate 1
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* raptop
realizes that I havn't done any sort of tabletop roleplaying in MAX_INT years
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<Althego>
hehe
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<Althego>
hehe welcome back to hardware unavailable. that joke doesnt get old this year
<Mat2ch>
Althego: oh, B117 is on the rise here. So "Lockdown until further notice" wont get old this year.
<Mat2ch>
Also with the current vaccination rate we will be done in 3.5 years here /o\
<Althego>
i dont know the variant, but the numbers are rising again for weeks
<Althego>
lol
* raptop
is wondering if I'm going to get dragged into teaching in-person in august without being vaccinated
<Mat2ch>
Althego: not here, they were falling. But now, well, stagnating.
<Mat2ch>
And our experts are already calculating that the more infectious variants will offset this soon.
<Mat2ch>
So, we need to do a fully lockdown. Fun Fun Fun!
<Althego>
i think the increase is likely due to the uk variant. i dont know if we are in lockdown, i dont go out anyway. just to get food
<Mat2ch>
And no, this is not a full lockdown here. This is something very light hearted. I had to go to the repair shop today, the Autobahn was full with cars.
<Althego>
and that was always allowed
<Mat2ch>
Althego: it is due to the UK variant
<Mat2ch>
but there are others already showing up as well.
<Althego>
you said it
<Althego>
i dont have data why it is here
<Mat2ch>
want data or is my word enough?
<Mat2ch>
the real problem is though that we are breeding a variant that has a different spike protein but is equally infectious and it will take another year to make a new vaccacine.
<Mat2ch>
This is pure statistics. If we have enough people infected and wait long enough new mutations will occur.
<Althego>
funny but the old style vaccines may be better for this. since they contain moe of the virus, not just the spike
<Mat2ch>
Our immun system mostly works with the spike, because that is what it can see anyways
<Althego>
my problem is, the chinese vaccine is shipped here in huge numbers and i dont know anything about it
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<Mat2ch>
hard to know without studies from our own universities
<Althego>
we are the dark alternate timeline from a scifi
<Mat2ch>
the darkest.
<Mat2ch>
But I'm suprised there is no looting and shooting in TX. Maybe we're not that awful as we think
<Althego>
we? neither you or me are from texas
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<darsie>
It's the guns that make people civil.
<TristenYT>
e
<Althego>
e!
<TristenYT>
perseverance is landing today
<Ariri>
\o/
<Althego>
stream starts in an hour
<Althego>
see the topic
<TristenYT>
yes
<TristenYT>
it's supposed to land at 12:52:31pm PST
<Althego>
which is tolerable, just before 22
<Althego>
i would like to go to sleep sooner but i can delay that much
<TristenYT>
I don't need sleep, I need Mars landing
<TristenYT>
what if the rover hit deimos as it started it's descent
<raptop>
uh
<TristenYT>
that would suck
<raptop>
Deimos is the more distant moon
<Althego>
hehe i think these things are taken into account
<TristenYT>
oh
<TristenYT>
what if the rover hit phobos as it started it's descent
<raptop>
what Althego typed
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<Althego>
i am a type of eukaryotic organism :)
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<TristenYT>
Hey guys can Kerbol and Munar eclipses happen in KSP
<TristenYT>
or do you need to download a mod
<Althego>
they happen all the time
<TristenYT>
are they possible in stock ksp
<Althego>
you just cant see it, but the solar panels know it is an eclipse
<raptop>
Solar eclipses happen in stock KSP every "munth", as do 'lunar' eclipses
<TristenYT>
dang
<raptop>
Well, the solar eclipse part is visible if you look up
<raptop>
Since the mun is at 0 degrees inclincation, you don't have eclipse seasons like with earth
<TristenYT>
does the mun disappear or change color in Munar / Lunar eclipses
<raptop>
unfortunately no
<Althego>
that is why i said, the sure way to know it is to wask the solar panels
<raptop>
Since the mun completes one orbit around kerbin in ~6.4 kerbin days, I'd handwave it as roughly every other eclipse being visible from a given location
<Althego>
and then they say something like 0.00 eclipssed by whatever
<TristenYT>
oh
<Althego>
but there is still light
<Althego>
so you can only see it if you look at the sun and see something is there
<Jovian_Oracle>
I'd argue the opposite, since you can use a parachute the whole way. The real trick is surviving for more than a few minutes.
<Jovian_Oracle>
It's like landing on Eve, but if Eve also wanted to kill you after touchdown.
<Jovian_Oracle>
Some of the earlier Venera missions had over-engineered parachutes because estimates of their performance and the Venusian atmospheric pressure were way off.
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<Althego>
you dont even need a parachute
<Jovian_Oracle>
If your probe is sufficiently robust. Some of the Venera probes had their parachutes fail during final descent, which was not good
<Jovian_Oracle>
IE: Venera 7's parachute failed too soon, and it landed on hard its side as a result.
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* raptop
recalls something where a descent (not landing) probe successfully landed anyway because terminal velocity was so low. Was that Venera 7?
<Jovian_Oracle>
Venera 7 did sort of work. Being on its side meant its signal was much weaker than was hoped for.
<Althego>
this is what you get from a supercritical fluid atmosphere
<Jovian_Oracle>
Next stop: Jovian metallic hydrogen probe.
<Althego>
hehe
<Jovian_Oracle>
Where we're going, we won't need parachutes to land.
<Althego>
with sample return
<Jovian_Oracle>
Challenge accepted.
<dequbed>
Sample return while keeping the hydrogen metallic that is :p
<Althego>
i slept through curiosity's landing. i remember i was in geilenkirchen and working hard on something. only next day noon i realized it happened already
<Jovian_Oracle>
You missed the aliens that NASA had to edit out in rebroadcasts then
<Althego>
hehe jpl and the peanuts
<esspapier>
solar ejected, we are nuclear nao
<Jovian_Oracle>
RTGs is nuclear energy for peasants
<Althego>
it is more like a slowly rechargin battery
<mrBlaQ>
yayayayayayayayay there's gonna be a helicopter on marsss sooooooon
<Althego>
and microphone too
<goblin>
cruise stage separated
<Jovian_Oracle>
#Althego Like the Energizer Bunny, but if it got really old and slowed down because of plaque buildup in its arteries.
<Althego>
i am not a channel :)
<Jovian_Oracle>
You're the channel now.
<Jovian_Oracle>
Much like I'll be the Senate with the next Stellaris release.
<goblin>
I can't figure out if the touchdown is scheduled 20:55 UTC, or the information about touchdown reaching earth at 20:55 UTC
<Jovian_Oracle>
Yeah
<Jovian_Oracle>
I mean, did it already land?
<Althego>
could you see the plasma from earth with a big enough telescope? that there is something landing?
<Jovian_Oracle>
Depending on its angle off of Mars, maybe. It'd be awfully bright
<Jovian_Oracle>
Stop shaking your leg
<Jovian_Oracle>
Inners always messing things up.
<Althego>
will they try to image the parachutes from orbit this time too?
<raptop>
THe 10 G peak sounds like how I deorbit kerbals
<Althego>
hehe
<raptop>
I think so? Given that MRO was getting data
<Althego>
that was one critical point
<esspapier>
chute!
<raptop>
\o/
<Althego>
machine vision go go go
<Jovian_Oracle>
So it either landed or crashed by now. Or crash landed.
<Jovian_Oracle>
Or landed awkwardly on its side and ended upside down like a tortoise on its back.
<raptop>
Technically Curiosity's first images were of a crash (of the skycrane)
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
cant really
<esspapier>
power descent go go go
<Althego>
ohohoho
<Althego>
ok
<esspapier>
looking good bois
<Jovian_Oracle>
Technically, a crash landing is a descent powered by gravity.
<raptop>
\o/
<Althego>
hehe
<Jovian_Oracle>
Or retained velocity from the orbital transfer.
<goblin>
\o/
<Jovian_Oracle>
This is why they really should use a portal gun.
<mrBlaQ>
yayayayyayayaayay
<Althego>
what's going on :)
<Jovian_Oracle>
How many experience points is that?
<Althego>
oh no that is heyeyeye
<Jovian_Oracle>
Is there an achievement?
<Althego>
none, didnt kill anything
<esspapier>
maybe some mars microbes?
<Jovian_Oracle>
Well sometimes you get them for using skills. IE: Picking your nose increases the lockpicking skill by one point per booger.
<goblin>
come on, it's not D&D ;-)
<esspapier>
so who's going to scoop up the poop from preserverance?
<Jovian_Oracle>
The use of retrorockets should count towards the Acrobatics skill, unless they removed it in this version
<Jovian_Oracle>
@esspapier Probably no one in the near future.
<Althego>
and btw there will be a full internal movie of the landing
<esspapier>
:/
<Althego>
with sound
<Althego>
and several cameras
<raptop>
hazcam images!
<Jovian_Oracle>
Sample return from Mars is expensive, and I'm not really confident SpaceX is getting there anytime within the coming decade.
<Althego>
but also not sure they can do it this decade
<Althego>
the sample return
<Jovian_Oracle>
Dear Kraken, the Shadows are on Mars!
<Jovian_Oracle>
They said we die if we went to Z'ha'dum!
<raptop>
If a rover sees its shadow, does that mean 10 more weeks of winter?
<Althego>
hehe
<Jovian_Oracle>
If a rover sees its Shadows, we should probably call Ambassador Kosh.
<Althego>
hehe
<Jovian_Oracle>
But then he would just be all cryptic like and speak in stupid riddles.
<umaxtu>
B5 really?
<Althego>
really nice landing system, too bad it cant be used for bigger loads
<Jovian_Oracle>
Would you prefer something more obscure? Like Battletech?
<Jovian_Oracle>
Sadly, Mars doesn't figure much into BattleTech, where much of Season 4 of Babylon 5 took place on Mars.
<Althego>
i was close 20 seconds in the future compared to others during the landing
<Althego>
use the double speed people
<Althego>
it eliminates buffer and puts you to closer to real time
<Jovian_Oracle>
Just use a wormhole and eliminate the time lag next time.
<Althego>
yes, open it right next to the landing point and watch it with my eyes
<Jovian_Oracle>
That's what I'd do if it weren't for the severe gravitational redshift giving me cancer.
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<Althego>
how does redshift give you cancer?
<Jovian_Oracle>
It shifted so hard to red it went back to gamma rays.
<Althego>
hehe
<Jovian_Oracle>
The electromagnetic horseshoe hypothesis is real.
<goblin>
lol through an integer underflow? :-D
<goblin>
or maybe it's cause it's 5G frequencies now?
<Althego>
i can understand why they are on martian time for a solar powered vehicle, but why for the rtg?
<raptop>
The cameras need light
<Althego>
hehe i didnt think of that :)
<Althego>
actually they do earth like colored images during the night with white leds
<raptop>
And so while they're not doing real time per se, my understanding is that the actual delays tend to skew to hours
<Althego>
because then the red haze doesnt interfere
<Althego>
do they know where it landed?
<Althego>
or have to wait for an orbital pass?
<Althego>
i mean the orbiters were there so could have take nan image
<goblin>
I heard 35meters from a rock
<Althego>
ah they figured that out from the hazcam?
<goblin>
you know, that one which was there when they did that other thing
<goblin>
I think so, yeah
* raptop
heard someone saying that they recognized the location a bit ago
<goblin>
yeah, that was funny
<Althego>
eta for landing movie? :)
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<raptop>
Not sure, MRO only has so much bandwidth
<darsie>
Can we communicate with Ingenuity from orbit?
<Althego>
hehe, did they get the rights for the song?
<darsie>
From David Bowie?
<darsie>
:)
<raptop>
JPL crashes a crane on mars containing ~96 kg of highly toxic propellants
<Althego>
also bombs the surface with with tungsten weights
<darsie>
We don't know what's toxic to Martians.
<darsie>
Was there a jojo despin?
<Althego>
it wasnt spinning too fast to begin with
<darsie>
Was there a jojo despin?
<raptop>
AFAIK, yes, but very early on. Before the straighten up and fly right maneuver
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<darsie>
Stream breaking up?
<Althego>
there was a time when there was a list of things happening
<Althego>
maybe it is there
<Althego>
spindown mentioned
<Althego>
after rcs
<goblin>
looks like the stream's ended
<Althego>
yes
<Althego>
anyway i never heard about yoyo despin for curiosity or perseverance
<Althego>
so maybe stopped by rcs
<Althego>
Communications with the rover are through a radio link using low-power Zigbee communication protocols, implemented via 900 MHz SiFlex 02 chipsets mounted in both the rover and helicopter.[12] The communication system is designed to relay data at 250 kbit/s over distances of up to 1,000 m (3,300 ft).[12]
<Althego>
i dont think it can communicate with the orbiters
<darsie>
ok
<Althego>
and it runs linux on a qualcomm snapdragon
<Althego>
which is gunny, because that may be more powerful than the rover cpu
<raptop>
penguins on mars!
<Althego>
i think even the rover runs linux implicitly
<darsie>
But we have directional antennas in orbit.
<Althego>
since vxworks is not a self hosting os
<darsie>
Maybe not for 900 MHz.
<Althego>
zigbee is more for short distance low power mesh networks
<Althego>
so i dont think an orbiter would be able to get anything
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<Jovian_Oracle>
Linux? They should be running on COBOL
<goblin>
with line-of-sight I think it should be able to, if it really wanted...
<TristenYT>
So, when there's a Munar/Lunar Eclipse, the Mun doesn't turn red or anything? Kerbin's shadow doesn't affect it?
<raptop>
videogame lighting is often a bit limited in features
<TristenYT>
Someone made a scattering mod where the sky will actually dim during a Kerbolar Eclipse
<TristenYT>
In stock KSP, the sky doesn't get any darker
<esspapier>
raptop: after copter is dropped it'll take another 2 hours before it boots up
<TristenYT>
wow
<esspapier>
they'll try to keep flights to mars mornings, before midday (so it has enough time to recharge, but before the air gets too thin in the afternoon)
<TristenYT>
ah
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<raptop>
interesting
<TristenYT>
yes
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<Izaya>
Eddi|zuHause: wouldn't be surprised if they're using a game engine for visualisation
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<goblin>
WHERE MY BRIEFING
<goblin>
MAH*
* flayer
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