<Starwaster>
is a vessel's flightintegrator cached somewhere? I thought it was but having trouble finding it (forum search is being a PITA right now too)
<Starwaster>
or maybe 'flightintegrator' is so common that it can't handle the load
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<Graf>
Is tweakscale compatable with RO/RP0 yet? I miss it.
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<Graf>
o7 Rokker
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<Rokker>
o/
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<Graf>
Saturn 1 with F1 first stage is an excellent station parts launcher.
<Graf>
The S-IV stage was Cryogenic, right?
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<regex>
What fuels did it use?
<Graf>
regex: it used Hydrolox, but my question was about insulation, rather than fuel
<Graf>
IIRC 1960s era insulation was pretty much trash
<regex>
Ah, well, "cryogenic" means a lot more things aroud here.
<regex>
S-IV can probably use a normal tank type
<regex>
IIRC it lost some fuel to boil off on its way up
<regex>
and was designed to
<regex>
Fuel would have been topped off continuously by the launch tower until the moment the craft left the pad.
<Graf>
Single Chamber Kerolox 1,689 kN at sea level 1,890 kN in vacuum, 260 - 290 ISP. Not a godlike engine, but it might be fun for an american playthrough.
<Graf>
Heck, I may just make my own E-1 config :P
<soundnfury>
Graf: there is one, yes
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<soundnfury>
I've found it to be rather useful
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<soundnfury>
particularly for Apollo-era Big Rockets; nine or so make a great first stage for an M-1
<Graf>
soundnfury: what pack do I need to use it?
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<soundnfury>
I think it's just in the standard RO setup
<Graf>
Oh. For 1.1.3?
<soundnfury>
but I think FASA has one as well, with a different model
<Graf>
I'm rocking 1.05 because I'm not 100% confident in my craptop being able to run 1.1.3
<soundnfury>
hmm, it _was_ added quite recently
<soundnfury>
It may be possible to backport it, just find the commit that added it and apply it as a patch
<Graf>
well, I may just roll my own using an H-1 scaled up a bit with more THRUST
<soundnfury>
anyway, I have to go
<Graf>
cya
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<zilti>
egg: No, I didn't change that. By the way, I also have to clone it and checkout the tag, because if I download the zip, make will complain about not being able to execute a target .git...
<zilti>
gonna re-clone now.
<egg>
yes, you need a git repository
<zilti>
Now I can't even compile the dependencies... I give up. You've won :P
<blowfish>
is it weird that I'm watching both webcasts at once?
<soundnfury>
blowfish: nope, I sometimes do that too
<zilti>
That weather is ridiculous
<zilti>
"Since Earth is a sphere" ...NO IT ISN'T!! :P
<soundnfury>
oblate (paging egg)
<Probus>
Did you see that grid fin start to glow red?
<blowfish>
yup. Wonder if that was the fin itself or just soot and dirt on it.
<waerloga>
hrm, they do have live video issues
<blowfish>
landing successful
<waerloga>
yay
<Probus>
Woohoo!
<waerloga>
well that's the first stage proved re-usable
<blowfish>
I wonder if they could have aerial drones observing the drone ship. I guess maybe the satellite link equipment is heavy and it would have to hover for a while waiting for the landing
<Probus>
Elon's tearing up
<regex>
holeeeeeeeee shit
<Probus>
Where's the warp button?
<blowfish>
SpaceX on Twitter: "Falcon 9 first stage has landed on Of Course I Still Love You — world’s first reflight of an orbital class rocket."
<blowfish>
does this annoy anyone else?
<blowfish>
what narrow definition are they using that excludes STS?
<Probus>
Rocket/shuttle
<soundnfury>
blowfish: I think booster vs upper stage
<soundnfury>
(pedants might claim the SSME is a sustainer)
<waerloga>
wonder how much refurbishing has to go into reusing it
<waerloga>
I seem to recall the shuttle required a lot
<zilti>
The shuttle required a ridiculous amount of refurbishing, yes
<soundnfury>
yeah, calling shuttle ops "reflight" is stretching it a bit :/
<zilti>
They said they needed four months for the Falcon stage, but expect to need way less the next few times
<Rokker>
soundnfury: ehhhh
<Rokker>
by mass, a lot of it was reused
<soundnfury>
Rokker: yeah but that's a shit metric
<soundnfury>
like using glo[wm] as a fom
<Rokker>
by cost a lot of it was reused
<soundnfury>
ehhh, that's more dubious
<blowfish>
well, SpaceX has yet to disclose how much work they put into this booster after it was recovered, or how much they will put into the next
<soundnfury>
iirc srb refurb cost more than new
<Probus>
SpaceX is trying to say the cost is gonna go from $60 million to more around $200,000 a launch. Even at 10 times that it is still amazing.
<Rokker>
soundnfury: by the parts cost of the rocket, a fair amount of it was reused, the program was simply mismanaged
<blowfish>
soundnfury: something about them having been dunked in ocean water?
<soundnfury>
blowfish: that too ;)
<soundnfury>
Rokker: sure, it was mismanaged. But it was also designed wrong (partly because of mismanagement and polyticks of course)
<blowfish>
although the H-1 could allegedly re-light after that so...
<zilti>
They also got crooked from splashdown
<egg>
but of course measuring diametres guarantees a circular cross-section right >_> >_>
* egg
slaps things with a Reuleaux triangle
<Rokker>
soundnfury: the design argument is so god damned shitty, I'm so tired of hearing it
<Rokker>
it was either that design or no design at all
<soundnfury>
Rokker: only if you want to usaf aoa vandy birb
<zilti>
Rokker: In the case of the shuttle, no design at all would have been much wiser financially
<Rokker>
even with the design, the high cost is still clearly the fault of the poor program management and low launch cadence
<blowfish>
SSME was the US's first flown staged combustion engine, right?