ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
<Bornholio> okay maybe one launch
<soundnfury> :)
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<Bornholio> got a few days done have a good night snf
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<soundnfury> o/ awang
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<BadRocketsCo> Greetings!
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<soundnfury> Groatings!
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<schnobs> o/
<soundnfury> \o schnobs
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<BadMobileRockets> Dumb thing...
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<BadRocketsCo> There.
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<schnobs> Still need help with making a landing: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/173241-returning-a-spaceplane-to-earth/
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<schnobs> Such a nice design, but busted by burntimes. Sight.
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<Raidernick> egg, can you release a new rss version?
<egg> Raidernick: me?
<Raidernick> do you have permissions on these?
<Raidernick> there*
<egg> I don't really morally own this thing
<Raidernick> somebody needs to do it
<Raidernick> or it's not going to get done
<egg> I have permissions to merge pull requests and I have done so, but for releasing NK is still in charge
<egg> I'll try poking NK via other channels
<Raidernick> well that's not going to happen unfortunately
* egg grabs the intercontinental poking implement
<egg> Raidernick: for instance I don't own any of the forum threads, so I can't actually do things
<Raidernick> what about realheat
<Raidernick> does blowfish do that?
<egg> this is all kind of blocked together aiui
<egg> makes little sense to advance one bit unless RO is ready to
<Raidernick> RO is ready too....
<egg> and RO might be theoretically ready, but we need NK to press the button
<Raidernick> that's the point
<egg> I'll poke NK
<Raidernick> these mods really NEED at least a couple people who can release things
<Raidernick> having only 1 guy is stupid
<egg> yeah
<Raidernick> it can really screw everyone if they vanish
<egg> !wpn ferram4
* Qboid gives ferram4 an up python
<soundnfury> egg: is this permanent, or will I be let back in eventually?
<soundnfury> or do I have to grovel?
<egg> ask wq
<egg> nicely
<Maxsimal> soundnfury: Got orbit, now gotta see if bornholio can beat me
<soundnfury> Maxsimal: holy crap how did you do that?
<egg> awang: do you know what state things are in wrt 1.4.x compatibility?
<egg> awang: last time I checked it was pretty much all 1.3.1 ready but I haven't looked since
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<Bornholio> egg i'm running the mk1.4 sheet, awang has placed the PR's he has done so far on it
<egg> awang: ping me with your RO-related pull requests so I can look at them, because merging I can explicitly do
<egg> releasing RO I'd rather leave to someone who can actually own the mod, even if we decide that's not NK
<Raidernick> egg, i can do RO releases, i was planning to do that anyway as I had been checking and merging all prs
<Raidernick> i just CANT do it because the dependencies haven't been officially released
<Raidernick> they are updated just not put into a release
<egg> Raidernick: well, then you need to do releases of the deps too :-)
<Raidernick> i can't
<egg> (or find the owners thereof and poke them with sticks)
<Raidernick> i don't have any permissions for RSS
<egg> Raidernick: ok I might have permissions on that one
<Raidernick> or realheat
<Raidernick> but everything else is ready
<Raidernick> it's just those two
<Bornholio> .cheer
<egg> Raidernick: OK I think I can technically those two? someone would need to draft release notes though
<egg> (the above sentence missing words)
<Raidernick> ok realheats will be easy
<Raidernick> it was just recompiled for 1.3.1 it appears
<egg> and 1.4.1 in the pull request
<Bornholio> is RSS yet pointed at Pap's Scaled RSS textures?
<Maxsimal> soundnfury: Sounding rockets - NK's rebalance reduces the value after you tech up - if you do some high cargo/high altitude ones early enough they pay out well. You have to build a reuseable rocket to relaunch a lot to bump the difficulty up though
<Raidernick> egg, i want to release 1.3.1 before merging the 1.4.1 pr
<Raidernick> then you can release 1.4.1
<egg> Raidernick: ah
<Raidernick> that was ckan indexes both of them
<Raidernick> way*
<egg> ok
<Raidernick> otherwise it's going to break the ro release there
<Raidernick> so realheat is good to go
<Maxsimal> soundnfury: Also it turns out that we need to fix the FASA tanks - they still use the default/structural/fuselage tank ratios.
<Raidernick> changelog is just updated for 1.3.1 no other changes
<Raidernick> i can make release notes for rss
<egg> Raidernick: fwiw ferram4 also has the rights to realheat
<Maxsimal> anyway, gotta run, I'll be back on later. But here's my mini-log of what I've been doing - it's no EK though https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nKdZtaqIH8dgvit-kKKDfDVqjoTVA2EgAuOJdBwo6GQ/edit?usp=sharing
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<egg> Raidernick: but not to RSS? bloody hell these repo maintainer lists are a mess
<Raidernick> egg, that's what i've been saying
<Raidernick> i have access to a random assortment of repos
<Raidernick> same for other people
<egg> I knew they were a little messy but it's even worse than I thought :D
<Raidernick> nobody except like the 3 owners can access everything
<Raidernick> it's fubar
<egg> and I'm not maintainer so I can't add people
<Raidernick> so if 1 guy vanishes some stuff can be fixed but not everything
<egg> which means we still have to pester NK if we want things fixed
<egg> !@#$!@$%
<Raidernick> who else wons it
<Raidernick> strat?
<egg> strat owns RSS so he can add people
<egg> nobody but NK owns RealHeat
<egg> but at least ferram4 also has pushing/releasing rights
<egg> FERRAM4 IN THE NAME OF NAVIER AND STOKES I SUMMON THEE
<Raidernick> egg, does anyone besides nk own the entire ro organization?
<Raidernick> they should be able to add anyone also
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<egg> Raidernick: I don't know, I don't think so? I can't see anything so maybe I can't even see who owns the bloody thing
<Raidernick> if you can get in touch with nk see if he can add at least 2 people as owners that are active
<Raidernick> for situations like this
<Raidernick> i'm pretty sure stratochief has same ownership rights as nk
<egg> Raidernick: yeah, I'd be fine with owning things for these sort of purposes, and he can probably add Sarbian or something
<Raidernick> but i heard he quit ksp/modding
<Raidernick> that's why he's never here anymore
<egg> ;seen stratochief
<egg> no kmath?
<egg> and Qboid has fairly short memory
<egg> blarg.
<Raidernick> i saw him on the discord like a week ago for 10 minutes or so
<egg> huh
<Raidernick> i haven't seen him on here in at least 4 months
<Raidernick> and he didn't respond to me on discord when i messaged him
<egg> hm
<Raidernick> theysen, who owns the ro forum post now, told me he had quit
<Raidernick> so yeah at least 2 other guys should be added
<egg> Raidernick: hm I guess before tagging RSS we should merge KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem#130?
<Qboid> [#130] title: [Bugfix] Kopernicus Oceans | **Change Log:**... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/130
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<Raidernick> i didn't know that was broken
<Raidernick> i know kopernicus is all sorta of fucked up for the last few releases though
<Raidernick> some releases only work with some versions of mods
<Raidernick> and lock the game up with others
<egg> Bornholio: any details on what the aforementioned pull request?
<egg> s/.$/ solves?
<Qboid> egg meant to say: Bornholio: any details on what the aforementioned pull request solves?
<Bornholio> makes oceans have bouyancy again
<egg> ah that seems useful, yes
<Bornholio> instead of falling through them
<egg> Thomas: do you know what that issue is about?
<Bornholio> as stated, titan needs tweaks but its much less important
<Thomas> Which issue?
<Raidernick> Thomas, well the newest 1.3.1 versions crash the game
<Raidernick> with rss and ro
<Raidernick> i had to use the older one
<egg> Raidernick: Bornholio mentions testing with -7 so apparently that works
<Raidernick> i can't get anything above -3 to work
<egg> -7 being aiui the latest one
<Raidernick> on a base RO install
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<Qboid> [#130] title: [Bugfix] Kopernicus Oceans | **Change Log:**... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/130
<Thomas> That sounds weird, haven't heard about something like that yet
<Bornholio> i'm using Kop-7 with no problems maybe some lagginess but thats mostly RSSVE as far as i can tell
<Raidernick> Thomas, there are several issues in RSS
<Raidernick> about this
<Raidernick> that pr does fix the oceans in anything above -3 though
<egg> okay merged RSS#130
<egg> um
<egg> Thomas: blarg how does repo alias work again
<egg> (I wrote that feature in checkpoint but I have long forgotten :-p)
<Raidernick> Thomas, with -7 and the rss 1.3.1 recompile i was getting Kopernicus.Components.KopernicusStar.LateUpdate ()
<Raidernick> spam of that
<Raidernick> game wouldn't load
<Thomas> egg: I forgot it too
<egg> !help
<Qboid> egg: I sent you a private message with information about all my commands!
<Thomas> Raidernick: Can you send me your Logs/Kopernicus folder
<Thomas> ?
<Raidernick> i could if i still had them
<Raidernick> i'm using -3 now
<Raidernick> so i dont have any logs from when it was broken
<egg> !setrepoalias RSS KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem
<Qboid> egg: Set alias for https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/ to RSS
<egg> so, merged RSS#130
<Qboid> [#130] title: [Bugfix] Kopernicus Oceans | **Change Log:**... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/130
<Raidernick> cool
<egg> Raidernick, since Bornholio somehow manages to get things working at -7 I'm going to assume it's a fluke, I'll let you investigate further (I seem to recall something similar to your KopernicusStar issue, which was ultimately me installing the wrong textures or something)
<Raidernick> Thomas, i'll throw -7 in my test install i use for modeling testing and see what happens
<Raidernick> if the error still happens with that rss fix merged i'll send you the logs
<ferram4> I was summoned? For what?
<egg> Raidernick: where did you grab your textures from
<egg> ferram4: do you feel like cutting a realheat release?
<Raidernick> the rss textures git
<egg> ferram4: you're more realheat-related than I am
<egg> Raidernick: you need to use Pap's repo
<ferram4> Uhh... I guess I can? But I don't know what to test.
<egg> ferram4: nothing :D
<Raidernick> ferram4, it works
<Raidernick> did the testing
<egg> ferram4: I tested it, many tested it
<Raidernick> for 1.3.1
<Raidernick> just needs the release
<egg> ferram4: just say "in the name of Raidernick" to cover your arse and use your powers to release :-p
<egg> Raidernick: what Bornholio said
<ferram4> Alright... so is the dll in the repo or do I need to build everything for it?
<Raidernick> Bornholio, i tried those
<Raidernick> they didn't work correctly
<egg> Raidernick: the kopernicusstar spam thingy is using the wrong textures iirc
<Raidernick> i tried both the pap ones then the old ones
<Raidernick> when those didn't work
<Raidernick> i ended up just reverting everything
<Bornholio> hmm i've been using them since summer? do you have a doubled up install?
<egg> the pap ones work for me
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<Raidernick> ferram4, i think it needs to be built
<egg> ferram4: I think it's all in there correctly (awang rebuilt)?
<Raidernick> did he?
<egg> yeah last commit is rebuild by NK
<egg> not awang, NK
<egg> because phineasphreak did the upgrade and he doesn't do rebuilds unless instructed to iirc; but NK rebuilt so it's all in order
<egg> ferram4: maybe a version number needs to be bumped, I don't understand the fancy version files
<soundnfury> !tell Maxsimal yeah I think basically right now non-proc tanks just aren't really supported in RP-1. Unlock costs are wrong too...
<Qboid> soundnfury: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg> doesn't seem to be anything though, so seems to be just a tag-and-run thing
<Raidernick> just recompiled rss with that merge and switched to kopernicus -7
<Raidernick> it works with the old textures now
<Raidernick> but still not with paps
<Raidernick> it just stops loading right at the end
<egg> Raidernick: Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg> Raidernick: that's exactly backwards from what I experience :D
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<Raidernick> egg, i did get paps to load once with -3 but the planet surfaces were black
<ferram4> I think I will need to rebuild and push for version numbers.
<ferram4> Oh well
<Raidernick> i'll just stick with the old textures then
<Raidernick> they are fine
<Bornholio> biome map is quite a bit differnt
<Raidernick> i don't care about biomes?
<egg> ferram4: huh, I don't see the version, where does it live
<Raidernick> i only play sandbox and only for part testing
<egg> ferram4: ah the assemblyinfo
<ferram4> Yes
<ferram4> And I want to add it to the RH_readme.txt
<egg> wait wait
<egg> ferram4: the assemblyversion 4.5 is the one you're cutting!
<egg> ferram4: the existing release is 4.4
<egg> ferram4: and 4.6 will be the 1.4.x version, see 130
<egg> um
<Qboid> [#5] title: [KSP Update] RealHeat for KSP 1.4 | **Change Log:**... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealHeat/issues/5
<ferram4> So then it just needs the readme update.
<egg> ferram4: eggsactly.
<Raidernick> Bornholio, are the pap rss textures supposed to have a completely different directory structure?
<Raidernick> all the textures have been moved into different folders
<Bornholio> G:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\KSP 1.3.1 RORP0\GameData\RSS-Textures Earth and Moon in main, rest in PluginData Sub
<ferram4> egg: Can you do it? My git stuff is giving me a headache about actually connecting to github and making the change. Sinc ethe only change necessary is the readme file then it should be simple enough.
<Bornholio> lets Kop load on demand
<ferram4> egg: Just add a blame towards me for signing off on it if anyone asks.
<Raidernick> ferram4, i'll be blamed for pushing it to be done lol
<egg> ferram4: I change the readme, I'd rather you do the actual release (which you can do from the github website), not so much for blame but because you understand this mod better than I do
<egg> s/I c/I can c
<Qboid> egg meant to say: ferram4: I can change the readme, I'd rather you do the actual release (which you can do from the github website), not so much for blame but because you understand this mod better than I do
<Raidernick> Bornholio, most of the earth textures are in plugindata
<ferram4> Sure, make it so then
<ferram4> Is there a new build of ModularFlightIntegrator?
<egg> ferram4: where is that readme file? the actual readme.md is immensely terse
<ferram4> In the RealHeat dir
<egg> ah, right
<egg> so many readmes
<ferram4> Raidernick, egg, the ModularFlightIntegrator version works out fine? It doesn't even need a rebuild?
<Raidernick> is it not rebuilt?
<Raidernick> it's being distributed with the 1.3.1 versions of kopernicus
<ferram4> I don't believe so.
<Raidernick> i haven't seen anything wrong with it
<ferram4> Ah, right.
<ferram4> Derp
<ferram4> That one exists.
<ferram4> Yeah, okay
<ferram4> Being behind a version is fucking with me
<egg> ferram4: extremely interesting change for you to review :-p https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealHeat/pull/7
<Qboid> [#7] title: Update the readme for 4.4 (a posteriori) and 4.5 | Preparing for a release in the absence of @NathanKell. | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealHeat/issues/7
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<egg> ferram4: lɒl I actual fucked it up didn't I
<Raidernick> Bornholio, i'm teseting it again now
<Raidernick> earth and moon are fine
<Bornholio> good luck!
<Raidernick> saturn and jupiter are fine
<Raidernick> everything else is white
<Raidernick> all the moons
<Raidernick> pluto, mars venus and mercury
<Raidernick> i can see the normal maps
<Raidernick> and the biomes
<Raidernick> but their textures aren't working
<Pap> Raidernick: are you on Linux?
<Raidernick> and it makes sense, the earth and moons ones aren't in plugin directory
<Raidernick> the rest all are
<Raidernick> no i'm not
<Raidernick> windows 10
<Pap> Hmmmmm
<Pap> Do you play with forced gl?
<Raidernick> no
<Bornholio> MFI updated?