<kmath>
YouTube - Can We Travel Faster Than Light? with Dr. Miguel Alcubierre
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<Althego>
hopped to all minmus biomes, still have 1950 m/s delta v remaining
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<Wastl2>
How much Δv did you start with?
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<Althego>
cant remember
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<Althego>
day 9, reached the gravioli detector
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<Althego>
i wish wheels wouldnt generate energy
<jvfoxy>
wouldn't? mod?
<Althego>
no, stock wheels are jumping a bit
<jvfoxy>
mm ok?
<jvfoxy>
which ones are jumping on you?
<Althego>
airplane wheels
<Gasher_>
heh
<jvfoxy>
let me guess, the non retracting ones or the single tired?
<Gasher_>
generating mechanical energy?
<jvfoxy>
ya, had me thinking as in power at first
<Gasher_>
same
<jvfoxy>
well... more EC than causing the plane to hop about the runway
<Althego>
both are
<jvfoxy>
springs are probably getting compressed too much. They bottom out, I think is a slight 'glitch' where they push back for some reason. tends to make nose wheels pitch the plane up right on landing in previous vrious
<jvfoxy>
*versions
<Gasher_>
can't you increase the damping
<Althego>
probably
<Althego>
but they didnt behave this before 1.7
<Gasher_>
em, they did?
<Gasher_>
at least in 1.3 i have that
<jvfoxy>
could be worse.. wheels could simply explode no matter how slow you tried to land
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<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
avtually even the most basic ones are usable now
<Althego>
there were wersions when you literally couldnt land on them
<jvfoxy>
ya I know... made it rather unplayable. I only managed to land with them on the rare occasion.
<jvfoxy>
sometimes I wondered if teh wheels were getting 'snagged' on teh ground and just ripping off, springs too light
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<Eddi|zuHause>
man i really hate this channel...
<Eddi|zuHause>
i can't say a single line anymore without the thought in my head that i get immediately banned...
<Eddi|zuHause>
... after getting banned for a rule i didn't even break...
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<darsie>
Eddi|zuHause: You got banned?
<Eddi|zuHause>
i got muted, which is really the same thing
<darsie>
Yeah, you just have to be a little mindful of what you say.
<Eddi|zuHause>
but... i'm still insisting i didn't say anything wrong...
<Eddi|zuHause>
and that's where the problem is.
<darsie>
mhm
<darsie>
I got permanently banned from a channel for such a thing.
<darsie>
Not letting go of a mute I found unfair.
<nate>
Thing is though a channel is a home, they can kick you out if they think you so much as smell funny in real life
<nate>
:P
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<jvfoxy>
ugh net hardware being a pain again
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<darsie>
These rules may be changed at any time and it is each member's responsibility to keep up to date.
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<darsie>
Is there a mailing list informing me about any changes, so I don't have to read everything over before each post?
<Althego>
Eddi|zuHause: what did you do?
<Eddi|zuHause>
i said what i always said.
<Eddi|zuHause>
that i have no spare brain power to search for "bad words"
<Eddi|zuHause>
and saying that is apparently now worse than saying an actual bad word.
<Althego>
once a month or so i too say something that is not appropriate here
<darsie>
Alternatively I could poll the rules once a minute automatically and send myself a notification if anything changes, to perform my responsibilities more efficiently.
<Althego>
you could set the client up to replace some words with something else
<Eddi|zuHause>
Althego: yes. but again, i did not say a bad word.
<Althego>
i use it for some common typos
<Althego>
now that is strange
<Althego>
thought police?
<jvfoxy>
not what you say.. more about how you say.. huh?
<Eddi|zuHause>
thought police is never a good idea
<jvfoxy>
ya.. not exactly psychic, but also would be invading even the most private of spaces
<jvfoxy>
its already pushing things a bit far if you can't feel safe in your own room...
<Eddi|zuHause>
jvfoxy: don't worry, police will get access to alexa/siri/whatever recordings soon
<Althego>
hehe safe space
<jvfoxy>
I don't have one, too much tech as it is anyways.
<jvfoxy>
Eddi|zuHause always figuring the worse in the world huh?
<jvfoxy>
i'd been with my foster from when I was 11, I never had any run ins with police. Yet, because of where my B-day fell, I couldn't move out till after I was done schooling. The goverment wanted to do a criminal record check in order for me to stay with them past my 19th
<Eddi|zuHause>
oh, there are certainly even worse things
<jvfoxy>
lady at police station: Well... records check clean. Just means we haven't caught you.. yet....
<jvfoxy>
my biggest issue when I moved out? Being self distructive, depression. :\
<darsie>
How can I exercise my responsibility to keep up to date on the rules? Is http://archive.is/5bp8u going to reflect them?
<darsie>
s/them/any changes
<darsie>
Is saying 's/them/any changes' a violation of rule 2.3.2?
<Eddi|zuHause>
yes, you're not allowed to use any kind of jargon. is surely what that rule means.
<jvfoxy>
ehhh.....
<Rolf>
any jargon of curse words or?
<darsie>
I never heard about txt-speak. Is that like 'cu', 'IIRC', 'ru mad', ...?
<jvfoxy>
oh as in leet talk?
<Eddi|zuHause>
it's an old thing where you type SMS by leaving out most of the letters
<jvfoxy>
ya...
<darsie>
I see.
<jvfoxy>
I had to look up 'jargon', any words used specifically in a profession of some kind...
<jvfoxy>
although.. 'profession' in this sense sorta used rather loosely.
<darsie>
short message service
<Rolf>
so i could be banned by saying I used my mic to measure boss on part?
<jvfoxy>
Rolf no.. 'mic' is a proper word
<Rolf>
no its not
<Rolf>
full name is micrometer
<jvfoxy>
microphone
<Eddi|zuHause>
jvfoxy: a sentence can be jargon even if each individual word is proper
<Rolf>
no. micrometer. i know my stuff lol
<jvfoxy>
I was going to say, help with AV crew, they say 'mic', or 'mike' all the time
<Rolf>
i'd be very very wrong guy to work in av dealing with audio. lol
<jvfoxy>
I was going to say, doesn't KSP or anything space related use quite a number of words, Ex: Periapsis, that would be considered jargon too?
<Rolf>
it is
<Eddi|zuHause>
definitely
<Rolf>
so everyone here is very bannable
<jvfoxy>
then again, am taking things pretty litteral here.
<darsie>
I don't see jargon forbidden. Considering it exclusionary forms of speech is a bit of a stretch.
<jvfoxy>
oddly enough, I'm not even suppose to be this awake such a time, 0340PST...
<darsie>
like, periapsis. That's proper spelling.
<Eddi|zuHause>
darsie: but it gets grey pretty quickly once you start abbreviating things
<Eddi|zuHause>
darsie: i have sat here a bunch of times when people said rocketry things thinking "wtf was that person just saying?"
<jvfoxy>
I've mentioned some stuff, plain english, very understandable. Yet end up with a blank stare.
<darsie>
'wtf' violates rule 2.2.7 and possibly 2.2.3.
<Eddi|zuHause>
sure.
<Eddi|zuHause>
2.2.3 is kind of an extreme stretch...
<jvfoxy>
I kind of figured this place was family friendly to begin with
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<jvfoxy>
Rolf heh.. floaty mice in space. I wanted to get a few mice myself but hadn't really considered how they'd fair in micro-g before
<Rolf>
rats is pretty good pets
<Rolf>
we had em for few years
<Rolf>
problem is their inoconent problem lol
<Rolf>
cant hold worth it
<jvfoxy>
got a pair of females myself, adopted from cousin. Originally was for kids, but gave up on them. Felt bad if they didn't get proper attention
<jvfoxy>
mice 'race tracking' makes me think of videos from Skylab
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<jvfoxy>
hmm... anyone with interests in Plut-Charon system? Watching one of these Issac videos on youtube. Orbit center around the two bodies is outside Pluto, got me wondering: how much would that affect surface grabity
<jvfoxy>
*gravity
<jvfoxy>
..... I suppose gravity can grab and hold ya down too in a way
<Gasher[work]>
i think it's called barycenter
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<jvfoxy>
ya.. sorry, word slipped me
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<Eddi|zuHause>
"how much would that affect surface grabity" <-- just like normal tidal forces, i presume... nothing crazy
<jvfoxy>
Eddi|zuHause ... ya only two bodies are pretty much locked to each other.
<Althego>
ah the space mice. these were the ones that delayed the spacex launch because their food was found to be moldy
<Eddi|zuHause>
jvfoxy: are they actually tidally locked?
<jvfoxy>
Altehgo Oh.. that recent.. ok didn't know that
<Althego>
collected the max science building biomes, it is so much
<jvfoxy>
Eddi|zuHause far as I know.. they are just locked in position with each other...
<Eddi|zuHause>
Althego: i had some trouble finding all the spots in the science center
<Althego>
maybe i didnt find all
<Eddi|zuHause>
Althego: well, i had [X] Science! listing them all, but that doesn't tell you where they are
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
there are somewhat obvious by the names
<jvfoxy>
Althego guessing you fully upgraded everything in the center?
<Eddi|zuHause>
i had to go around it like 3 times
<Althego>
basically each block of building, plus 2 things which dont seem to be anything at all, tanks and a small lab
<jvfoxy>
think some of them you have to make contact with the building before it would register
<Eddi|zuHause>
yeah, you have to get in weird spots sometimes
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<Althego>
i touched the buildings
<Althego>
originally i thought you need to land on them
<Althego>
but that is hard
<jvfoxy>
I usually drive up, jam a wheel against the side.
<jvfoxy>
mind you, I've not done fully upgraded stuff yet
<Althego>
i use the jet powered tricycle science car
<Althego>
you can get that faster than powered wheels
<Althego>
and it works later on too
<Althego>
so i never changed it
<jvfoxy>
jet science car... lol ya...
<Eddi|zuHause>
i was testing my rover design
<Eddi|zuHause>
i think i had a screenshot somewhere
<Althego>
it can move without the jets too, by wiggling left and right
<jvfoxy>
gyro
<jvfoxy>
find my jet cars, in order to backup, have to wiggle with gyro
* UmbralRaptop
pours tzatziki sauce on gyros
<jvfoxy>
at last it wasn't... jam
<Althego>
heh i took a contract to put 18 kerbals into orbit around the moon. with the touorists i have 17
<Althego>
bob is still around minmus
<Althego>
and one is waiting rescue from the surface of the mun
<Althego>
so i have to wait for that to come back. unfortunately in the southern polar region
<Althego>
but the mun is almost rotated under the orbit, after days of waiting
<Althego>
and i have the nuke now
<jvfoxy>
wait.. 18 kerbals in general from roster or tourists?
<Eddi|zuHause>
could always hire more?
<Althego>
station contracts
<Althego>
need 18 kerbals
<Althego>
yes but the hire is expensive, i collect them
<Althego>
the game doesnt care if they are tourist or not
<Eddi|zuHause>
it's slightly annoying that the hiring cost also goes up when you do rescue missions
<Althego>
i need to take 4 to the mun anyway
<Althego>
i never hired any kerbal
<Althego>
in fact after a while there are too many
<Eddi|zuHause>
i don't think i've ever had 18 kerbals
<Eddi|zuHause>
so, if you miss one kerbal, and you've a rescue mssion open, you could just combine both?
* packbart
hires Kerbals via F12 if needed *cheat* ;)
<Althego>
the rescue mission takes miore than a day probably
<Althego>
hohman back to kerbin
<Althego>
and 37 minutes until the node to land
<Althego>
even that is going to need a bit of a plane change
<Althego>
and i want to collect two biomes at least, one whatever carater and one plar region
<Althego>
i just need to do a tiny hop
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<Althego>
but then i still need to do something about the polar orbit, not sure how i come back
<Althego>
so in the 37 minutes i wanted to launch a longer mission, that would have been the munar station with the tourist lander
<Althego>
has to wait a little bit
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<Althego>
but i have enough money to launch a duna explorer on day 9, the fastest i could do before was day 10
<Althego>
that is just too funny, requires like 8000 dv and injects perpendicular to the orbit direction, it is so out of window
<jvfoxy>
my guess for cost going up each new kerbal... housing or something. harder to keep more kerbals around. though, I never checked, does price drop when you fire/loose kerbals?
<Althego>
probably, i doubt it was programemd with a state. but i never tried it either
<sandbox>
Nasa is to allow tourists to visit the International Space Station from 2020.
<Althego>
there were some there already
<Althego>
just with the soyuz being the only manned craft doing the visits, there were not enough seats
<Eddi|zuHause>
that carries like what, 3 people?
<Althego>
yes
<Eddi|zuHause>
how many companies are offering crew launch modules now?
<Althego>
only the russians are operational. but there is boeing and spacex
<Althego>
but spacex is currently delayed
<Althego>
and boeing first flight is some time this year
<jvfoxy>
visitors to the station.... wasn't it like the first one who went up, payed so many millions. then each new one that went up, price jumped stupidly high each time?
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
were they like 2? 1 went 2x
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<jvfoxy>
checking...
<Althego>
wiki syas... counting
<Althego>
6
<Althego>
but the price is not mnetioned
<jvfoxy>
6 american.. 1 canadian.. ok now I'm wondering who the Canadian was
<jvfoxy>
docking port curious touch. I can dock without RCS but craft gotta be pretty nimble.
<packbart>
I managed to dock a craft and EVA everyone back into the pod. but yeah, every nudge changes the park bench's orbit
<jvfoxy>
lol.. cute name
<jvfoxy>
not have thought of park though... bench sure
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<jvfoxy>
went to look at what I've named recently so craft files now have meta files too huh?
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<jvfoxy>
Xmapa... Ukraine for cloud, mun station.
<jvfoxy>
was going to copy and past but seems got the ukranian font still stuck on there.
<Eddi|zuHause>
can't find the screenshot of my rover anywhere
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<jUMPSu1t>
I made my rocket too pwerful and I'm set up for Kerbin escape...all I wanted to do was go to orbit!ow do I lose enough velocity?
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
burning retrograde
<Althego>
otherwise just revert
<jUMPSu1t>
I burnt retrograde...still like that
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<Althego>
instructions unclear, exploded on the sun
<jUMPSu1t>
How do you use the EVA MMU? I think I can get Dufrey alone to orbit, but the problem of a rescue craft remains...I think I'll just revert.
<Althego>
for activating the eva pack, press r
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<Althego>
then wasd and shift-ctrl keys are usable
<Althego>
bit differently than for the rockets, shift-ctrl is the up down
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<jUMPSu1t>
Ok...launched another rocket, my stuff overheated and the fuel tank exploded
<jUMPSu1t>
Any advice for not having that happen again?
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<Althego>
by any chance, was an engine pointing at the tank?
<jUMPSu1t>
What? No
<Althego>
unless you accidentally activated the second stage on top of it
<jUMPSu1t>
I had jettisoned the firat atage by then...
<jUMPSu1t>
First stage
<Althego>
then you were going almost horizontal in relatively low altitude with high speed, flames around the rocket
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<jUMPSu1t>
yes, but I was almost out of the atmosphere
<Althego>
at that point there shouldnt be much heating, above 45 km or so
<jUMPSu1t>
my rocket has enough power for Kerbin escape, but I wanted to channel that into orbital energy
<jUMPSu1t>
So I pointed sidewayz
<Althego>
more orbital energy means higher apoapsis, ultimately escape. each orbit has its own energy, you cant put more into them
<Althego>
but yes, you have to point sideways
<Althego>
the sooner the better for lower gravity losses
<Eddi|zuHause>
try throttling down the engine at the right moment?
<jUMPSu1t>
Ok...an earlier model of this rocket had less fuel...is that the direction I need to go?
<Althego>
except for the pesky atmosphere
<jUMPSu1t>
And how do you preciesly throttle? I only know Z & X
<Eddi|zuHause>
to go to orbit, look at the map to see when your AP goes over 70km, then turn off the engine
<Althego>
shift and control
<Althego>
that is why i said the eva control are somewhat different
<Eddi|zuHause>
then turn it back on when you are at AP, to raise PE also above 70km
<jUMPSu1t>
Hold on...I'm gonna go make a car...random piece of debries and i'd like to go over there and see it
<Althego>
keep in mind solid rockets cant be throttled, just ion the editor
<Althego>
no burn marks or anything, except on heat shields
<Althego>
so not really interesting
<Althego>
just recover it
<jUMPSu1t>
Also, what's the difference between apoapsis, apocynthion, and aphelion?
<Eddi|zuHause>
-helio means relative to the sun
<Althego>
i dont know about the second one
<Althego>
apoapsis is the generic term
<Eddi|zuHause>
apoapsis is generic
<Althego>
but for different bodies there are different endings
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<darsie>
jUMPSu1t: Deviating from prograde may expose parts to air heating.
<Althego>
so there are for eath, moon, sun, etc but in my opinion it just makes it more complicated
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<Althego>
instead of us shooting in the dark, you can just make a screenshot with f1 and send us the link, so we can really come up with a solution
<darsie>
I try to fly as much as possible prograde in the atmosphere, except at launch, when I turn east at the right moment. Then, when bearing aligns with heading I activate prograde hold.
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<Althego>
there is no right altitude anymore, except for eve
<Eddi|zuHause>
how about left altitude?
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<UmbralRaptop>
port/starboard, obviously
<Althego>
serial port :(
<Althego>
)
<darsie>
I can't remember what's (anti)normal on retrograde orbits.
<darsie>
Or AN/DN.
<Eddi|zuHause>
use the right hand rule?
<darsie>
ok?
<darsie>
What is AN/DN with retrograde orbits?
<Eddi|zuHause>
dunno, we didn't have those when i was in school
<Eddi|zuHause>
"58 million dollar for the flight, plus 35 thousand dollar per day on the ISS", that sounds like a good deal?
<Eddi|zuHause>
it also says the russians are decreasing their crew size fro m3 to 2, also making some space for occasional tourists
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<jUMPSu1t>
How do you zoom in on what you're building in the VAB?
<Eddi|zuHause>
+/-?
<Eddi|zuHause>
possibly also rshift/alt+mouswheel
<jUMPSu1t>
I'm on a MAcBOOK
<Eddi|zuHause>
my condolences
<UmbralRaptop>
They accept USB mice
* UmbralRaptop
is stuck with a macbook for work porpoises
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
you havent watched any louis rossmann videos, you wouldnt buy macbooks then :)
<UmbralRaptop>
Behold the high resolution of 1440x900!
<jUMPSu1t>
yes...i don't HAVE A MOUSE THANK YOU VERY MUCH
<jUMPSu1t>
And I'm trying to build a car
<jUMPSu1t>
And I can't zoom in on it
<jUMPSu1t>
who's he star person
<Eddi|zuHause>
nobody said mouswheel must be a physical object...
<jUMPSu1t>
then where's the mousewheel on a laptop
<Eddi|zuHause>
typically you can configure a touchpad to do that
<Althego>
in fact they do that out of the box
<Althego>
even on macbook
<Althego>
you can use them as scrollwheel
<Althego>
they are just reversed :)
<packbart>
I seem to remember to burn antinormal at AN in relative prograde orbit. normal when retrograde
<UmbralRaptop>
yeah, two finger touch. Not sure how well it works in KSP
<packbart>
but honestly, I just fiddle with the node and look at the predicted change
<Althego>
i used to have touchpad like that
<Althego>
not a problem
<Eddi|zuHause>
the thing i hate most about touchpads is that they always register mouseclicks at random positions...
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<jUMPSu1t>
How do you autonomously move towardss targets?
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<packbart>
what would be "autonomously" for you?
<packbart>
later cores and pilots can hold towards a craft or pro/retrograde relative to it
<packbart>
the MechJeb mod can do fully autonomous rendezvous and docking
<packbart>
I don't really know how to land at a given spot, even without an atmosphere. I must have skipped class when Gene taught that topic.
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<Althego>
ok 5 days realistically to kerbin soi with bob, i rather bring him home now from minmus
<Althego>
on a rather speedy road in 2.5 days
<Althego>
i forgot about the 2 guys recovering the lost kerbal from the polar highland crater, so i do have 18 kerbals then
<Althego>
with 572 m/s remaining and an 1.8 m heat shield, the recovery is quite certain
<Althego>
for bob
<Althego>
but the remaining 1600 for the polar lander is somewhat problematic
<Althego>
i have to come up with a trajectory that doesnt need much adjustment
<Althego>
if i do it correctly the polar orbit is oriented in a way the injecting before the poles would just get me back to kerbin. or not
<Althego>
it is working
<Althego>
i have too much delta v remaining like this