<rsparkyc>
i'm going to open up a squad bug ticket for this other one, i can confirm it in my basic install
<soundnfury>
now testing that zip (waiting for ksp to load...)
<rsparkyc>
cool
<soundnfury>
rsparkyc: btw, you seem to be filling up the source files with ^Ms - are you using eeeevil line endings?
<rsparkyc>
im on windows, perhaps that's messing it upt
<soundnfury>
also indentation is going crazy, mix of tabs and spaces (as always seems to happen in C# code - presumably too many shitty IDEs)
<rsparkyc>
yeah, i'm not sure what the standard is, if i'm working in a file, i've tried to keep the indentation the same in that file
<soundnfury>
well do make sure that you're not just matching a tab with N spaces or vice versa
<soundnfury>
(because not everyone agrees on the value of N, sadly)
<rsparkyc>
well, if you're using N, it should always be 4 :)
<rsparkyc>
but i like tabs personally
<soundnfury>
lies!
<soundnfury>
N = 8
<soundnfury>
"Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3." -- Linus Torvalds
<github>
[RealismOverhaul] alpharigel opened pull request #1589: Added configs for Space Shuttle Systems (master...master) https://git.io/vS4cF
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<github>
[RealismOverhaul] alpharigel closed pull request #1589: Added configs for Space Shuttle Systems (master...master) https://git.io/vS4cF
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<TheKosmonaut>
regex: Went ahead and stickied your forum post for you
<TheKosmonaut>
:P
<TheKosmonaut>
I’ve also instructed everyone to “Update when pls?"
<regex>
thanks!
<regex>
I've got a few pings in that thread recently
<TheKosmonaut>
People never check to see if a mod has been taken up by someone else.
<regex>
"You never read the OP"
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<rsparkyc>
is there a way to show all parts in the VAB, and not just the purchased parts?
<waerloga>
sandbox mode?
<rsparkyc>
campaign
<rsparkyc>
with part purchase to unlock
<waerloga>
ah that, I forget how to do that
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<Rokker>
where is strato
<regex>
<Click on video of Ariane 5 "real rocket in KSP", it's in stock>
<Rokker>
regex: disgusting
<regex>
Agreed
<xShadowx>
rsparkyc: cheat menu if anything, unless you want to make a mod :)
<regex>
Every time I check out a "replica" and it's someone panelling the shit out of stock parts I puke.
<Rokker>
regex: can i also just say how much i dislike the DLC
<xShadowx>
would be nice if VAB had a checkbox to show all / have tech for / tech + purchased, but i never tried launching premade/saved craft where every part wasnt tech+purchased already to see if itd break ksp XD knowing squad i bet itd just launch it
<Rokker>
"look, we are making historical rocket parts"
<Rokker>
like bitch, no you arent
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<Oro>
o7 all :)
<Oro>
I have a quick question for anyone who might be able to help
<xShadowx>
42
<Oro>
I have a new 1.1.3 install, and it's pretty fun, but I can't seem to figure out how to make EVE work on it
<Oro>
do I need to do something fancy?
<xShadowx>
not my department, someone will be aslong shortly ;3
<xShadowx>
along*
<Oro>
haha, thanks anyway, xShadowx :)
<Rokker>
yeah, i unno
<xShadowx>
other than the usual, make sure its for 1.1.3 as well, have MM
<Oro>
*sings* I would wait 500 minutes and I would wait 500 more just to be the man who waited 1000 minutes just to install E V E~
<Oro>
dadada-da, dada-da da~
<Oro>
*set to the tune of "I wanna be", the 500 miles song.
<regex>
Rokker, yeah, I'm not really impressed with the quality of Rover's stuff.
<regex>
and the Mission thing just sounds ... well, not really useful.
<Oro>
regex: I think my 'issue' with rover's work is that it doesn't seem like it makes much sense.
<Oro>
I feel like colonization can and should work in a less opaque way, if that makes any sense.
<Rokker>
regex: im not impressed with anything rover does
<regex>
Not even talking about Rover's mods, I don't bother with them
<regex>
lol
<Rokker>
ive heard stuff
<Rokker>
and things
<Oro>
wait, then what are we talking about?
<Rokker>
and im just not a fan of him as a person much less a modder or dev
<regex>
Well, i feel like the LM he made looks great, until you look at the textures.
<regex>
and yeah,. I'm not a fan of him as a person either.
<Rokker>
Oro: his work on the DLC
<Oro>
haven't seen it yet.
<Oro>
I'll look it up :)
<Rokker>
im getting the DLC for free and im not sure i want it even for free
<regex>
haha
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<Oro>
I will say, "Warp to next morning" looks like the best feature of all time
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<Oro>
I'll be happy with the new versions if only for that, haha. Too many night launches in RO
<Oro>
also, thanks a bunch - trying to make a "what if" for an apollo soyuz alike
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<Oro>
is that scott manley?
<szyzyg>
it is
<Oro>
o7
<szyzyg>
Came here with possible bug report. Installed all the mods from the spreadsheet and tried to build vessel, but I found that the Shielded Proc tank didn't have the tank type option so I couldn't switch it to a pressurised variant, the regular low temp version allowed this though.
<Oro>
hmm
<Oro>
I just made a similar install a day or two ago - lemme check if I have the same issue
<Oro>
fresh, I mean
<Rokker>
szyzyg: rip in peace
<acc>
rip = rest in peace. rip in peace makes no sense
<Rokker>
acc: thats the joke?
<zilti>
rip in pieces
<acc>
then I don't get that
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<Rokker>
acc: it is just a meme
<acc>
ok
<acc>
btw wheres the sheet for the 1.2 rp-0? time to setup mine too
<Oro>
anyone currently running RP-0 can you check syzyg's bug? try to change tank types on the shielded proc tank
<Oro>
szyzyg: I tried it in my install and can choose several tank types
<Oro>
szyzyg: I think the general recommendation is "post logs", though I'm not sure what I'd be looking for. You can find your logs in your KSP folder :)
* Oro
is trying his best to be helpful
<acc>
I used to be helpful too, but then I got a arrow in my knee :3
<regex>
Gonna have to turn off Minecraft tonight and set up RO, really looking forward to that axial tilt goodness.
<acc>
uh? nice
<_Starwaster>
you mean the faked axial tilt? Or did we get real axial tilt while my back was turned?
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* acc
supports that question
<acc>
was busy with work, so no idea what's goin on here lately in terms of development
<xShadowx>
axial tilt from the almighty egg
<regex>
Real, honest-to-johnny axial tilt with Principia
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<xShadowx>
wait dont i remember like /everyone/ saying axial tilt couldnt happen due to how ksp was layed out? and axial tilt would require rewriting majority of ksp?
<regex>
No, axial tilt in /stock/ would require rewriting some of it.
<xShadowx>
idgaf about stock ;3
<regex>
but since Principia takes away from KSP the "where things are" they can implement such transforms
<xShadowx>
ah k
<regex>
Which is why playing with Principia is now a moral imperative with RO.
<xShadowx>
hasnt it always been? i mean......that fakey stock gravity :P
<acc>
so the solar system in principia is now stable?
<Starwaster>
stock gravity is fake how? Just because they don't apply other body's gravity other than the one in whose SOI you are?
<acc>
kinda
<acc>
simplistic is maybe a better word
<regex>
Yeah, it's just a simplified simulation but that doesn't make it "fake".
<regex>
acc, I don't know about the stock solar system but I wouldn't use Principia with stock.
<regex>
IIRC with Bop retrograde it's stable /for the most part/
<acc>
regex: no, I was talking about RSS/RO/RP-0
<regex>
Ah, yeah, apparently
<regex>
I don't recall it not being stable?
<HypergolicSkunk>
part of me is crying and kicking and screaming for RO/RP-0 to be officially released... another part of me, the one that is busy with me not fucking up my new job, is hoping it'll still take months.. :p
<regex>
hah
<acc>
last time I tried principia is like one or two years back
<acc>
back then orbits got unstable over time
<regex>
The last RO setup I did was RP-0 and I got hella pissed and ragequit. Had Principia installed but I never left LEO.
<xShadowx>
HypergolicSkunk: just get boss addicted to it, and lure him into thinking you playing it is his idea ;p
<HypergolicSkunk>
that is just so evil/beautiful :')
<xShadowx>
works for wives too
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<acc>
heh
<egg>
regex: be advised though, the sun might slap you in the face in RO sometimes, maccollo reported an odd bug
<egg>
gotta look into that, maybe tomorrow evening?
* egg
has a job now, so might get slightly harder to find time outside of weekends
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<acc>
oh
<regex>
is the install spreadsheet link in the main thread?
<Oro>
quick question: Is the Ares LK-S3E Heavy Planetary Habitat configured correctly? It's a bit small for a 15.8 ton hab. 8 crew in a 5m tube seems a bit cramped.
<szyzyg>
I'll be happy for real axial tilt, but will have to wait until RO is released officially to cover it otherwise people will be asking how to install....
<regex>
lol, the curse of being a public entity
<acc>
szyzyg: your latest vid about dyna soar, is that 1.1.3 rp-0?
<regex>
Oro, probably not
<regex>
IIRC you need some ... 75m^3 per person at a minimum, going from Soviet numbers?
<regex>
which were more cramped than us Amis built
<regex>
No, I was wrong, 33m^3 per person from Salyut numbers.
<szyzyg>
Yep 1.1.3 - used quite a few non-RP-0 parts for rocket engines
<acc>
ah, ok
<szyzyg>
Really wanted to land it so I tried installing 1.2.2. RO and ran into a tank pressurization problem
<Oro>
I remember MJ2's PID to be really wonky for like, one version of the game, and was wondering what that was about.
<acc>
hm. and gear is still pretty jumpy
<acc>
but that's a general issue with KSP, I think
<Sarbian>
The input value were wrong because the computed available torque was wrong
<Oro>
Oh, okay. It doesn't seem to be a problem anymore.
<Oro>
By the way, Sarbian, thanks like, in general, for making people with crap reaction time be able to play KSP :)
<Sarbian>
Me most of all ;)
<Oro>
I would never be able to do precise stuff in RP0 without mechanical bush.
<Oro>
That and whoever made the time control mod - being able to slow down time to 1/64 is SO COOL
<Sarbian>
I need to find the motivation to resume work on MJ but it does not come for now...
<Oro>
Sarbian: well, what features would you even want to add?
<Oro>
All I care is that it can rather precisely handle most craft, and that it can plot maneuvers, even if sometimes they're pretty goofy.
<Sarbian>
Fix the many bugs, make it handle RSS launch better, redo the UI
<Oro>
Oh you mean the ascent guidance feature?
<acc>
Sarbian: more nyan!
<acc>
:D
<Oro>
I've never used that in any install with Ignitor
<Sarbian>
Yep, I d like an actual single burn to orbit
<Oro>
I think actually doing that math would be a bitch to the extreme, pardon my french
<Sarbian>
MY French is a lot more graphic ;)
<Oro>
multiple thrusts, fuel densities, and TWRs make for a fairly hard thing to estimate.
<Oro>
I mean, if you were real good at integrals I think maybe you could do it?
<Sarbian>
I don't need something perfect. Handling the first stage properly would be a good starting point
<Oro>
There's definitely some devilish calculus that I would not be a fan of.
<Sarbian>
once you re out the atmo the math is a lot easier
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<Oro>
Personally I have the instinct for Delta 4 style launches, and often find on Kerolox launches that I hit TTA of over 2 minutes, which is always embarrassing
<Oro>
trying to make a saturn 1 not just launch itself to a 1000km orbit requires a surprisingly aggressive gravity turn for such a low TWR second stage, methinks.
<Oro>
At least with Delta II the G's don't sneak up from you so much as run at you screaming and covered in what looks like either blood or red paint...
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<regex>
Manual launches wit high TWR, I go for 100m/s before tipping 5 deg and then follow prograde. I'm pretty animate though and will control the launch much more than i should be doing, so YMMV
<regex>
Angara 5 has a pretty similar launch profile to Saturn I it sounds like, high TWR lower with a low TWR upper.
<regex>
Man, now I'm dreaming of a common booster config, really need to set up another install.
<acc>
I'll set up one tomorrow. I hope it's stable enought to start my rp-0 series on yt
<acc>
but looks good so far
<acc>
I've been watching startochiefs latest vids
<regex>
startochief, lol
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<acc>
huh?
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<soundnfury>
acc: s/ar/ra/
<Qboid>
soundnfury thinks acc meant to say: I've been watching stratochiefs latest vids
<acc>
oh heh
<soundnfury>
otoh I agree with regex, "startochief" sounds better somehow
<acc>
yeah, sounds not bad
<acc>
a litle bit italian or spanish
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