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<Rokker>
~thisday
<ThisDay>
Important events in space history for April 13: Discoverer II was launched by Thor Agena A in 1959, marking many firsts for satellites. Apollo 13 suffers an oxygen tank failure while en route to the Moon in 1970. In 1971, Russia suffers a backlog at Baikonur Cosmodrome as Salyut 1, Soyuz 10, and the third N1 are prepared for launch.
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<BadRocketsCo>
hi
<BadRocketsCo>
so
<BadRocketsCo>
I am trying to figure out why KCT won�t load on my save
<BadRocketsCo>
where should I start?
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<BadRocketsCo>
stratochief|vacation: can you help by any chance?
<BadRocketsCo>
dumb connection...
<github>
[RealismOverhaul] PhineasFreak opened pull request #1596: Kestrel 1B global engine config updates (master...RO-Kestrel-1B-Updates) https://git.io/vSyxH
<github>
[RealismOverhaul] PhineasFreak opened pull request #1597: RD-0242M2 global engine config updates (master...RO-RD0242M2-Engine-Config-Updates) https://git.io/vSyx7
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<stratochief|vacation>
BadRocketsCo: start at the golden spreadsheet
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<Theysen>
ayo o/ finally time again for RO gameplay <333333333333333333333333333333
<Qboid>
Theysen: rsparkyc left a message for you in #RO [02.04.2017 21:50:16]: "hey, when you get a chance, could you add me to the official list of RO contributors on the form post?"
<Theysen>
!tell rsparkyc Of course, needs updating anyways and thanks for the reminder :)
<Qboid>
Theysen: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Theysen>
looking at the 91 contributors on the gitshubs and the OP I think we may need to add some more lol
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<stratochief|vacation>
how goes one do lastseen?
<stratochief|vacation>
!lastseen ferram4
<Theysen>
!seen ferram4
<Qboid>
Theysen: I last saw ferram4 on [11.04.2017 03:02:05] in #kspmodders saying: "This is likely outside my expertise at this point."
<Theysen>
^
<stratochief|vacation>
thanks Theysen. please make sure you use the most recent FAR when playing RO (if you're doing 1.2.2), ferram4 was looking for feedback on it
<Theysen>
your spreadsheet is golden indeed, jsut didn't see the RPO tab
<rsparkyc>
:)
<rsparkyc>
ahh
<rsparkyc>
there may be a more up to date version, not sure
<Theysen>
didnt find anything more u2d, as long as this works im excited
<rsparkyc>
yeah, though don't use it's simulation feature, use KRASH instead
<rsparkyc>
s/it's/its
<Qboid>
rsparkyc meant to say: yeah, though don't use its simulation feature, use KRASH instead
<Theysen>
yes, magico will get rid of sim completely iirc
<Theysen>
who moved the A4 by taerobee out of the starting node :( it's the easy way for the first flights :( :/
<rsparkyc>
i thought it was still there
<Theysen>
The guidance unit now costs 6000
<Theysen>
i build the latest tree
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<Theysen>
feels good to play again, I even got bad at the game haha
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<Theysen>
super stable as well <3
<Theysen>
rsparkyc, nevermind in the second save I created it is available from the beginning. Don't bother
<rsparkyc>
ok, cool
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<ale260382>
any star trek fans here ?
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<stratochief|vacation>
ale260382: I imagine the cross section of KSP and star trek fans is fairly substantial. although I'm not much of a fan of the new franchise, other than how the engine room looks
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<HypergolicSkunk>
I like DS9. and some of the movies. the rest is rubbish imho
<HypergolicSkunk>
though TNG had some quality, obviously
<_Starwaster>
I'm done with all of it
<HypergolicSkunk>
I rediscoverd Star Trek by watching SFDebris.com
<SirKeplan>
DS9 and Enterprise were good, TNG and Voy were ok
<HypergolicSkunk>
the way he dissects and disposes off Voyager and Enterprise <3
<SirKeplan>
TOS..... is good for the comedy value
<HypergolicSkunk>
Enterprise was utter rubbish
<SirKeplan>
HypergolicSkunk: nonsense
<SirKeplan>
it had some good long story arcs
<HypergolicSkunk>
SirKeplan: fite me :D
<Agathorn>
I like them all for various reasons
<Agathorn>
kids these days are too polarized on things :D
<soundnfury>
Agathorn: while I consider them all to be meh for various reasons
<Agathorn>
why does it have to be best thing ever or complete rubbish?
<SirKeplan>
honestly the only ones i don't like are the reboot series films
<Agathorn>
yeah don't much care for those myself but there are moments
<Agathorn>
I barely consider them star trek though... ok as just scifi films
<xShadowx>
new films suck -.-
<HypergolicSkunk>
agreed
<xShadowx>
axanar was lookin far better
<SirKeplan>
they would be alright if they didn't pretent to be star trek
<Agathorn>
yeah exactly
<HypergolicSkunk>
they're like Transformers with a Star Trek label
<Agathorn>
just like transformers is an ok scifi flick if it didn't have transformers as the name
<SirKeplan>
yeah, or star wars
<Agathorn>
JJ is at least an equal opportunity destroyer of childhood
<SirKeplan>
:D
<HypergolicSkunk>
SirKeplan: watch SFDebris.com's dissection of Enterprise to learn why exactly is sucked major donkey :P
<xShadowx>
only thing thatd make JJ worse is if he were a priest o.o
<Agathorn>
HypergolicSkunk: in some people's opnions, not mine
<xShadowx>
enterprise was great :p
<Agathorn>
while ENT had plenty of not great, it had a lot of great as well
<HypergolicSkunk>
no! we must all have our opinions aligned :|
<SirKeplan>
HypergolicSkunk: i don't need to, i enjoyed them, the biggest problem was it's wrap up because of the cancelation
<stratochief|vacation>
Agathorn: risky move. being a moderate means that everybody hates you :P
<Agathorn>
i'm fine with that
<xShadowx>
everyone doesnt already hate him for TF?
<Agathorn>
more fine then leaning one way or the other for no logical reason
<Agathorn>
the world isn't black and white
* stratochief|vacation
immerses Agathorn in purified liquid 21st century partisan hates
<HypergolicSkunk>
but it can be explained in the case of Voyager
<HypergolicSkunk>
I always wanted to like Voyager
<xShadowx>
loved voyager
<HypergolicSkunk>
but those 7 seasons left a bitter after taste that I didn't lose over the years...
<HypergolicSkunk>
and watching SFdebris finally put into words *why* I hated most of it
<HypergolicSkunk>
so now I hate it with all my heart :D
<Agathorn>
my favorite two parts of all the series is in voyager
<Agathorn>
actually I think several of their later season two parters are lots of fun
<Agathorn>
Year of Hell though is probably my favorite of all ST episodes
<HypergolicSkunk>
very memorable due to massive face-melting :D
<xShadowx>
year of hell was foretold 2 year before it came o.O
<Agathorn>
Then again i'm a sucker for anything in any show involving the concept of time
<xShadowx>
i mostly dislike time stuff :|
<stratochief|vacation>
my tastes in star trek are easily explained. I saw Next Gen as a real young'n, Voyager as a teen. DS9 later as a uni-grad. I love those Ferengi hijinx
<UmbralRaptor>
Opinions on TAS?
<stratochief|vacation>
TAS?
<HypergolicSkunk>
Agathorn: DS9 - The Visitor? :'(
<Agathorn>
never really watched TAS but that is because I generally don't like animated stuff
<xShadowx>
ds9 best series :D really defined a lot of races
<HypergolicSkunk>
and saved the Ferengi
<HypergolicSkunk>
check them out in early TNG
<stratochief|vacation>
ahh. yes. I also generally don't watch animation
<HypergolicSkunk>
they are beyond ridiculous
<xShadowx>
watch TNG and the first concept of cardassians >.>
<Agathorn>
btw stratochief|vacation did you see my delayed comment to your comment about france in hoi4?
<ferram4>
Yeah, but apparently there's an error voxelizing the stock drill part, so I still need to fix that.
<soundnfury>
Agathorn: what about "1969", "2010" and "2001"?
<stratochief|vacation>
Agathorn: probably not. I believe my desktop whent to sleep over night
<stratochief|vacation>
ferram4: can you do that after making an offical release? with FAR out, RO and then RP-0 can also go official
<stratochief|vacation>
thus, being CKANable again
<Agathorn>
soundnfury: yeah all three are good :) althought the one , I think its 2010, isn't as much fun as 2001
<ferram4>
Absolutely not. A stock part introducing a NaN error is unacceptable for release.
<ferram4>
Literally any vehicle with that part will not have any aero forces on it.
<Agathorn>
stratochief|vacation: I was saying I was surprised at your surprise about france getting take out.. seems to happen in every playthrough I have done
<stratochief|vacation>
ferram4: fair enough. RO doesn't use the stock drill, FWIW.
<xShadowx>
main reason i dont like the full time travel ones, is because of all the space paradoxs that potentially exist, and current science can only theorize that a paradox could potentially exist but no real proof nor method to avoid it and in the end time travel shows tend to lean towards defining wether or not fate is real or can be changed
<ferram4>
I'm aware of that. But I must make things work with the stock game.
<stratochief|vacation>
Agathorn: interesting. I played a good bit of HOI4 right after it came out, and the German AI was abysmal. now, it actually seems that everybody is no longer a pushover, which is nice
<Agathorn>
I tried playing france twice..first time Germany steamrolled me.. second time I prepared so much for Germany, that Italy steamrolled me :D
<Agathorn>
mainland France is very easy to lose once someone breaks through
<Agathorn>
and France starts out with absolutely absymal production capacity
<stratochief|vacation>
lol. last HOI4 game I played before this last week as as France, and I held off Italy and Germany with some challenge, but not so hard I hard to micromanage hard
<Agathorn>
well you are clearly better than me
<Agathorn>
I had the best luck when I pushed back against the Anschluss
<stratochief|vacation>
nah, I'm fairly certain they AI has just been made far better
<Agathorn>
basically going to war with Germany early before they could become a threat..which is what should have happened in real life
<xShadowx>
dont worry about germany, nuke the middle east :P
<stratochief|vacation>
but history makes some sense. it took an unstable chap to start the sequel to "the war to end all wars"
<Agathorn>
yeah but the road to WW2 is littered with decisions tryign to avoid another WW when if they had just stopped Hitler right away it would have saved untold lives
<stratochief|vacation>
history is pretty easy to armchair quarterback :P
<Agathorn>
i'm not blaming them
<soundnfury>
Agathorn: you say that, but Stalin gonna Stalin
<stratochief|vacation>
I play 3/4+ of my HOI as germany or italy. I generally take out the UK after eating France.
<Agathorn>
I'm discussing it specifically in the terms of hindsight
<soundnfury>
it's not entirely clear that what the WAllies did was wrong
<Agathorn>
I want to do a playthrough with Canada and join the Axis..see what affect that has
<Agathorn>
the USA would no longer be as isolated
<stratochief|vacation>
hell, HOI4 was so easy most of the time I played it that I took France then the UK as Italy :P
<stratochief|vacation>
soundnfury: yeah. enjoy facing a ground invasion from 'merica
<Agathorn>
the AI is known for being bad sadly. I'm not very good though. I'm bad at micro, so it works well for me lol
<xShadowx>
Agathorn: we kicked your country's mothers' ass we'll do it to you too! :P
<Agathorn>
xShadowx: I'm american
<soundnfury>
stratochief|vacation: having been to Canada I can now say, they can totally take the Yanks, hands down.
<xShadowx>
Agathorn: i know - that was in reply to you wanting to play canada and join axis
<Agathorn>
there i actually an achievment for restoring the US/Canada border to what it was during the war of 1812 :)
<Agathorn>
so basically take DC
<stratochief|vacation>
soundnfury: we're fat and slow too. plus, they've got 10:1 odds, a somewhat well known military industrial complex, and nearly as many Mexicans as Canada has Canadians!
<xShadowx>
im just waiting for that pipe to catch......
<xShadowx>
sadly it never accually does :|
<stratochief|vacation>
gotta brace it between the legs for better balance, come on
<xShadowx>
exacly ;p
<Agathorn>
I just bought a 1080ti so got the new ghost recon with it.. started playing that last night. It is better than I expected it to be
<Agathorn>
I doubt I would have bought it, but getting it with the card means I played it and I actually enjoy it
<xShadowx>
i gave mine away XD
<xShadowx>
choice between for honor or ghost recon, sold to buddy for $40, less $ for card ^.^
<Agathorn>
I didn't think you COULD give it awaye.. this one activates inside GeForce Experience and actually verifies you have the card installed
<xShadowx>
ya
<Agathorn>
I know this because I tried to activate it before I swapped out my old 980ti and it wouldn't let me (wanted to benchmark it)
<xShadowx>
just use his account to activate it
<xShadowx>
ah
<Agathorn>
heh
<xShadowx>
just need the card to activate not play
<xShadowx>
wasnt sure itd work but i didnt have much interest in the game types so
<xShadowx>
mostly i just play RTS games, ksp, and zombie apoc/survival games anymore ;/
<Agathorn>
I didn't have much intereste either but it turned out I dio like it so :)
<Agathorn>
its another atrocious pc port though
<Agathorn>
just like the free arkham knight was
<xShadowx>
RTS mostly havent played because everything is just copying with new texture, and no MMORTS which was my fav genre
<HypergolicSkunk>
'my old 980Ti' ... great. now I feel insufficient :')
<Agathorn>
nvdidia really needs to get better at the games they bundle.. bundling shoddy pc ports isn't the best way to show off their cards
<Agathorn>
lol sorry HypergolicSkunk
<xShadowx>
HypergolicSkunk: and for the twist of the knife - i have an htc vive :P
<HypergolicSkunk>
well
<HypergolicSkunk>
I *could* get one
<HypergolicSkunk>
but am waiting for higher res
<xShadowx>
the res is fine enough imo, the major drawback is lack of content
<xShadowx>
99% of content for VR is people makin $5 shit to jump in the early market
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<HypergolicSkunk>
res is not fine
<HypergolicSkunk>
it'll be fine when it reaches the same quality as having a 1080p monitor
<xShadowx>
only saw 2 things i /liked/, subnautica which doesnt fully support VR yet, and universe sandbox which looked great just i know id be bored of it after 1-2 hr
<HypergolicSkunk>
porn. nuff said.
<xShadowx>
a whole 2 minutes 20 seconds for porn to get mentioned
<xShadowx>
a record i think
<HypergolicSkunk>
sorry, but it's the killer
<HypergolicSkunk>
at least for Forever-Alones like me :D
<Agathorn>
I probably watch more porn in my rift than I play games - being totally honest
<HypergolicSkunk>
ty Agathorn
<Agathorn>
but there are soem fun games.. Robo Recall is awesome.. The Climb , EVE Valkyrie
<HypergolicSkunk>
to finally be able to judge the size of those.... attributes... priceless
<Agathorn>
DCS is fine if it ran better..gotta try it again with my 1080ti now see
<Agathorn>
the performance increase from the one generation bump is huge actually
<xShadowx>
downside is it isnt really VR, just stereo video from a fixed location, you gotta wait until a decent company comes out with software
<Agathorn>
I saw more of a perf increase by going from 980ti to 1080ti than I did from 780ti to 980ti
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<Agathorn>
double the FPS in some benchmarks
<xShadowx>
just need better vr suport in ksp
<xShadowx>
kerbalvr is a nice step but so much more can be done
<xShadowx>
be nice if ksp + subnautica merged
<Agathorn>
If subnautica could get a more sim diving setup it would be awesome
<Agathorn>
but the standard fps controls in water just feels annoying to me, and more so in vr
<Agathorn>
because that isn't how you actually do it in real life
<HypergolicSkunk>
I still pray for KSP/RO/RSS to eventually use Google Maps data :>
<xShadowx>
the controllers support sucks in subnautica :|
<Agathorn>
yeah that too
<Agathorn>
though I hadn't tried it in months maybe it is better now?
<xShadowx>
its to point it like a lazer gun to the button you wanna click,no waving hands to swim etc
<xShadowx>
still need kb to move
<ale260382>
anyway, st enterprise is crappy
<xShadowx>
as for the resolution - for just watching video (not real VR) get a smartphone or small tablet with high res, some pass 1080p even, and a headset frame
<Theysen>
!tell ferram
<Qboid>
Theysen: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
<ferram4>
?
<xShadowx>
rift/vive are a waste when you only playback video
<Theysen>
ferram4, halfway through moon missions, no errors so far on the latest dev build in RP-0, if you want feedback
<Theysen>
one session, no reboots. plenty of reloading, scene changes, staging
<ferram4>
Sounds good enough. I fixed the drill voxel bug, that's the last critical bug, unless I consider the Tweakscale issue to be a critical bug.
<ferram4>
Does RO require Tweakscale?
<Theysen>
nope
<xShadowx>
RO poo poos TS last i looked :P
<ale260382>
tweakscale issue ?
<Theysen>
it was actually reason for 95% of the bugs back when I started so I am fairly heavy sided on that subject
<Theysen>
it worked in 1.1.3 though
<Theysen>
at least on small fins and the likes
<Theysen>
but absolutely not *needed*
<xShadowx>
i looked at TS code once, and now i'm blind :| someone should remake that
<HypergolicSkunk>
yeah, TS is sort of necessary for structural parts
<ferram4>
Well, fuck.
<ferram4>
Some weird double-scaling for voxelization purposes.
<Theysen>
!tell rsparkyc more pressing issue with RP-0 I need confirmation on: Double Contracts once finished, like First Flight / First Artificial Satellite appear again..
<Qboid>
Theysen: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn ferram4
* Qboid
gives ferram4 a tellurium life
<ferram4>
Oh, I think I see. Order of operations issue when starting things up. I know how to fix this easy, though it'll increase overhead a bit for the rescaling in the editor. No big deal.
<ferram4>
Alright, so that is fixed.
<ferram4>
I do need one thing checked before release. Fixing the Tweakscale issue involved changing how FAR handles rescaling. That might have screwed RealChute; I'd appreciate testing on that with the newest FAR build if anyone's willing.
<Theysen>
and maybe SSTU again?
<Theysen>
downloading
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<Theysen>
looks all fine to me so far. sstu, realchute, b9 wings
<Theysen>
voxels align, no log spam.
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<soundnfury>
!tell rsparkyc Don't know if you noticed it, but KER has the same problem as MJ of overreporting masses with crew on board (at least in VAB)
<Qboid>
soundnfury: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.