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<Solar_Oracle> If space is the final frontier, what was the first frontier?
<TwistenX> Earth
<Solar_Oracle> What if you're not a human, huh?
<darsie> The big bang.
<Solar_Oracle> The Planck Epoch, the FIRST frontier.
<raptop> < Solar_Oracle> What if you're not a human, huh?
<raptop> It's the first frontier for the corvids also
<Solar_Oracle> These are the voyages of the unified fundamental forces. It's mission: The boldly go where space-time has never gone before.
<Solar_Oracle> Now if I remember my history correctly, this is also when the Ctan star vampyres first formed.
<raptop> It's probably fine
<raptop> They mostly killed eachother and/or were killed by the necronyyr, right?
<Solar_Oracle> Though, on second thought, I keep confusing my Warhammer 40,000 rulebooks for history books.
<Solar_Oracle> I think the Necrons betrayed them in the new canon. Or was that also true in the old?
<TwistenX> < Solar_Oracle > What if you're not human, huh?
<TwistenX> Who says that other beings don't think our planet is the first place to go?
<Solar_Oracle> Space Tomb Kings are better, anyway.
<Solar_Oracle> Hey now, Star Wars doesn't even have an Earth.
<TwistenX> How do you know? It's still a universe. They never said a different universe, only a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
<Solar_Oracle> Obviously humans are the real aliens.
<raptop> star wars physics is, uh, don't think too hard about it
<Solar_Oracle> Star Trek physics is easy: Just reverse the polarity.
<TwistenX> Atmospheric Pressure and Heat in Star Wars be like; ...
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<raptop> Space battles work like old films of WW2 air battles for Reasons
<raptop> ...which suggests that a truely subversive sequel trilogy would make things look more like air (and/or naval) combat with 1960s-80s tech
<Solar_Oracle> I think we all know technology doesn't advance in Star Wars. They hit a brick wall thousands of years ago.
<Solar_Oracle> BattleTech and Elite are among the very few sci-fi franchises I can think of with any real advancements, albeit with the former getting everyone blasted back a hundred years after some mutual thermonuclear exchanges.
<raptop> There's also weird stuff going on from that backwards look (like how there were no helicopter gunships at hoth or endor, but were at geonisis, etc)
<Solar_Oracle> Ehhhh the transport-gunship thing never worked out in real life, either, with the Mi-24s only sparingly carrying crew.
<Solar_Oracle> They got space Higgins boats in The Force Awakens and TIE Fighter escorts.
<TwistenX> I bet at some point Elon Musk is going to try to invent a real-life lightsaber.
<Solar_Oracle> And Rogue One had a transport pressed into a gunship role like the original orbiting gunships of the Vietnam War.
<raptop> nice
<Solar_Oracle> Just install a few guns pointing out one side and you're in business https://i.redd.it/gkya03qsvfqz.jpg
<raptop> hah
<Solar_Oracle> BattleTech's, uh, tech advances significantly enough it becomes a problem in some of the video game adaptations.
<Solar_Oracle> Like in MechWarrior 4 and Online, there's simply no reason to use anything other than ClanTech and FedCom Civil War era tech unless you can't afford it.
<Solar_Oracle> Especially when you get those sweet, sweet double heat sinks.
* raptop isn't sure of a situation where you'd ever want to use single heat sinks with clan tech
<TwistenX> We should make a Death Star and gun down all the potentially dangerous Near-Earth objects.
<Solar_Oracle> When your 'Mech is deep within Inner Sphere territory and you just suffered a critical that resulted in the loss of your heat sinks?
<Solar_Oracle> Though if you are using ClanTech, you're probably a dirty Clanner anyway and should be vaporized.
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<Solar_Oracle> I had family in Rasalhague!
<TwistenX> Sucks to be you then
<Solar_Oracle> Iknowrite.
<Solar_Oracle> Stupid Mary Sue Clans.
<raptop> huh, that's a weird star system
<TwistenX> BTW what game are you guys talking about
<raptop> A5III + K6V in a highly eccentric orbit
<raptop> BattleTech / the various MechWarrior games
<Solar_Oracle> BattleTech is bestest Tech
<TwistenX> oh
<raptop> To be fair, I'd make a lousy clanner. Too much wanting to use all that fancy range instead of charging in...
<TwistenX> It's always confused me on how Star Wars ships can just move forwards before going upwards when launching from a planet/moon.
<Solar_Oracle> @raptop You could always just become an Elemental and use THE CLAW
<raptop> stabbity?
<raptop> stabbity!
<Solar_Oracle> Can't find it, but there used to be an image of Clan Elementals ripping armor off a 'Mech.
<Solar_Oracle> So here's Elementals riding a Nova Cat instead. I'm assuming it overheated and shut down after this image was taken https://imgur.com/sQ2KvQQ
<raptop> hah
<Solar_Oracle> You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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<TwistenX> The color design reminds me of a Sega Genesis Cartridge Cover.
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<raptop> It's possible that the image is from that approximate era
<Solar_Oracle> That'd be virtually all the BattleTech franchise art at one point
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<TwistenX> How old is BattleTech/MechWarrior?
<raptop> The tabletop game started in the mid 1980s
<Solar_Oracle> Started in 1984 and surprisingly still existing.
<Solar_Oracle> The development of the titular 2018 turn-based video game was even led by one of the original creators of the franchise, Jordan Weisman.
<packbart> heh, Scott Manley, astronaut killer. "Every time I saw a way to save everyone, I made a suggestion on how to avoid it"
<Solar_Oracle> Just like Commander Shepard, you can't save everyone.
<raptop> packbart: hah, so the inverse of the sorts of consulting that was done for The Martian?
<Solar_Oracle> Still more plausible than Gravity.
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<packbart> well, they probably could have saved everyone if they did have redundant life support systems
<Solar_Oracle> Or could repair them Apollo 13 style.
<Solar_Oracle> I mean, the ship that docked with the Cycler would surely have some of its own contingencies.
<Solar_Oracle> I should really get into this Stellaris game.
<Solar_Oracle> But now I'm stuck thinking about moar BattleTech
<raptop> oops
<Solar_Oracle> I'm going to turn the whole ironman game into a gigantic AAR, complete with movie posters.
<Solar_Oracle> The real twist being that all civilizations, including the one I'm using, are randomly generated.
<darsie> I'm supposed to bring a Mun stone back to Kerbin, and I found a real one which I don't just walk through, but I'm not sure if taking a surface sample will do the trick: https://i.postimg.cc/y1ywcKGK/screenshot503.png
<packbart> Pickup Mun Stone
<packbart> yeah, it wants you to click the second option from the top in the PAW
<darsie> Ohh, found it.
<darsie> thx
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<a_flayer> i think i'm going to build a new PC for KSP2
<Solar_Oracle> You'll probably have a while to wait.
<a_flayer> i'm planning on 2 years from now
<TwistenX> Did you hear that KSP is getting it's final update?
<a_flayer> yeah
<TwistenX> It's kinda sad
<a_flayer> it's for the best
<raptop> stock KAC @_@
<a_flayer> the KSP1 engine is fundamentally flawed
<a_flayer> they've gotten everything they could get out of that
<TwistenX> At least now more work is being focused into KSP2
<TwistenX> More things will get done faster.
<Solar_Oracle> KSP 2's a different team altogether, no?
<packbart> half and half. "Squad’s efforts will now shift towards joining Intercept Games in the development of Kerbal Space Program 2."
<TwistenX> I think so, at least that's what I thought I heard ShadowZone say.
<TwistenX> So, it's multiple teams now
<Solar_Oracle> Let's see if it gets an Elite Dangerous Odyssey-level launch or a Cyberpunk level launch.
<packbart> to be fair, Odyssey is playable
<TwistenX> Is there a way to see what your Sentinel Telescope is looking at?
<Solar_Oracle> Cyberpunk also got mostly fixed.
<packbart> TwistenX: does it look at anything? I thought it just makes asteroids appear in the tracking station
<TwistenX> It says that it "uses infrared light to detect celestial bodies such as asteroids that pose a risk to Kerbin."
<TwistenX> Is there even a way to make an actual telescope in KSP?
<packbart> there's a mod for that or two
<TwistenX> I can't get mods, I play on console.
<packbart> in that case, no, I don't know any way
<TwistenX> That's one of the two things I dislike about KSP Console. You get updates later than PC players, and you can't get any mods.
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<TwistenX> How do you set stages to your "abort" command?
<Althego> as you put anything in a group
<TwistenX> yeah but how do you set it to activate specifically when you press "abort"
<TwistenX> ohhh ok
<Solar_Oracle> Brownie points for whoever corrected guesses what movie this is riffing on https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1768206932538660774/2ED0C9A7F552F559023CF00831855F87D21EFDBC/
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<TwistenX> p
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<Althego> somehow i always forget about event horizon until the weekened
<Althego> about current space race
<Althego> what the what is this? win updated yesterday before i went to bed. and i notice some weather - news app thingie on the taskabr. in fahrenheit
<Althego> cant even change it
<Althego> cant remove it
<Althego> iu never asked for this
<XXCoder> biden just approved everything nasa asked
<XXCoder> akt thats why i stopped using windows few years ago
<Althego> hah managed to hide it
<Althego> but cant change the temperature readout
<packbart> Althego: you can remove it. right-clickt on the taskbar, "news and interests" -> "turn off"
<Althego> yes i found that
<packbart> I got that, too
<Althego> but one would thing it is in its settings or the right click menu changes to its specific settings
<packbart> mine was showing in °C
<XXCoder> usually microsoft is good on global but F thing is weird
<Althego> i even change the location in it, still was in f
<packbart> yeah, I was looking at taskbar settings at first
<Althego> and supposedly there will be some windows announcement from ms
<Althego> i sure hope not some kind of enforced subscription, because then i am out
<Althego> yes, i found flat earth content
<Solar_Oracle> TEACH THE CONTROVERSY
<Althego> that is creationism
<Althego> but before i get to flat earth there is still 2.5 / 2 hours of kiara left from yesterday
<Althego> lol
<Solar_Oracle> More recently, I've also seen full out germ theory denial.
<umaxtu> I'm not happy with microsoft at the moment, I had to reload windows last night to get windows update to work again
<Althego> i feel we are always just right next to the crumble of civilizatin
<Solar_Oracle> To the extent that they denied that any disease has ever been transmitted from one person to another, which is a concept that precedes germ theory itself.
<Solar_Oracle> Oh no, civilization will only collapse when the wi-fi is turned off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoR2QvWSa5A
<umaxtu> I still haven't watched that movie
<Althego> hehe
<Solar_Oracle> Here's why you should watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSScZ8P3gnA
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* Mat2ch pats his penguin OS
<Mat2ch> not installing weird weather apps since forever. :P
<Althego> it took them 6 years to get rid of flash
<Althego> i didnt have flash any of my computers for years before that
<Althego> i think that was way bigger atrocity
<Mat2ch> Made fun of flash every new year day that it's 20XX and people still use flash
<Mat2ch> I was a bit sad, but also happy, when I couldn't do that anymore.
<Althego> hehe sandy munro and the mach-e thermal system
<Mat2ch> Good or bad thing?
<Althego> get the octovalve!
<Althego> anyway it is unnecessarily complicated
<Althego> also mach-e, stilly name. i hear it as maquis (star trek)
<Mat2ch> lol
<Mat2ch> Munro now doing slapstick :D
<Althego> that let's get this out and then drops it
<Althego> also the mystery parts in the car that have scrap if dropped on them
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<Mat2ch> yeah
<Mat2ch> so, lets drop them and open them up. :D
<Althego> oh there was a wintergatan video 1 hours ago
<Althego> 11
<Althego> but there is still zombie, i just forgot to say zombanwa
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<Althego> mmx is coming along incely
<a_flayer> incel-y?
<darsie> .
<Althego> nicely
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<Mat2ch> Althego: the Mach-E seems to be rushed. Had to be ready to sell. Like if someone just didn't take electric cars seriously.
<Althego> hehe
<Althego> the whole car industry
<Althego> i dont know why oil is so afraid
<Althego> cars just take a small portion of fuel
<Althego> ships and planes take more
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<XXCoder> dunno i find that kinda questionable
<XXCoder> theres many boats and planes
<XXCoder> but theres thousand times more cars
<a_flayer> oil products are used for a wide variety of things
<a_flayer> not just personal cars, but also trucks and so forth - that's not going to be replaced with electric for a while
<XXCoder> oil for lube and such will never stop
<XXCoder> nor plastics
<XXCoder> theres discovery on how to turn algae to crude oil, same stuff they pump up
<a_flayer> i mean, there's also an effort to reduce usage/dependency on plastic
<XXCoder> but its small scale only for now
<a_flayer> but yeah, oil from ancient plants needs to be less important in our lives
<XXCoder> yeah though we will be able to create some because its very diffult to do some things, like lubes
<a_flayer> there's a lot of oil out there still
<a_flayer> we can keep using it for a long time for some products if we stop using it for others
<Althego> yes there is plastics too
<a_flayer> kind of like how we should stop using natural diamonds for jewelry
<a_flayer> and gold for currency
<Althego> btw oil may be one of the rarest materials in the universe, since you need life for it
<a_flayer> mhm
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<Althego> (local) leet time
<darsie> .
<Althego> lol louis. paul has a miku on his desk
<Althego> (just as me)
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<Althego> there was a guh about 15 minutes ago
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<Althego> what? they want to auction the test pilot seat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUcQmETFmds
<Althego> because simply selling tickets for it wasnt goodenough
<darsie> How much is shipping to Austria?
<darsie> The winning bidder will fly to space on New Shepard’s first human flight on July 20th and will join Blue Origin founder, Jeff Bezos, and his brother Mark.
<darsie> The bid is on a space flight, too.
<Althego> at least they go up to 100 km
<Althego> heh starts at 4-8 million dollars
<Althego> 4.8
<Althego> for a suborbital
<Althego> highly overpriced
<packbart> wait until they find oil on Mars. funding expeditions will become easy ;)
<Althego> lol
<Althego> i doubt there is oil on mars
<Althego> but if they find chinese on mars, there will be no need for funding, it is just going to happen :)
<Althego> 15 million. if they go up to 55 they cvould have just chosen spacex
<Althego> 28 at the moment
<Althego> sold
<Althego> if you have that amount of money, you can just choose spacex
<darsie> and orbit
<Althego> exactly
<Althego> days in orbit
<darsie> Is there a toilet in DRagon?
<darsie> I don't think so.
<darsie> The Apollo astronauts didn't enjoy pooping in bags and kneading in the sterilizing agent.
<darsie> Fasting for a few days is an option.
<Althego> there is
<Althego> on the roof
<darsie> ahh
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<Althego> i sure hope it doesnt open in case of a botched landing :)
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<darsie> :)
<darsie> That's probably the least of your worries, though.
<darsie> Hmm, maybe 2 chutes failing and you come down hard without an angle ...
<darsie> But the chutes attach all to the same point, I think.
<Althego> hehe that reminds me of a joke. old farmer goes on an airplane ride. the pilot does all kinds of acrobatic maneuvers. the old guy just says a few word during the flight. i thought so. i thought so. i didnt think that. after they land the pilot asks what these were. i though i was going to wet myself, i thought i was going to crap in my pants, but i didnt think all of that would fall onto my head
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<JVFoxy> Althego I think someone wasn't piloting properly if it ended up on his head. Musta been pulling some negatives there
<Althego> yes i was thinking about that too
<JVFoxy> also.. kind of plane matters, open cockpit might have been better. let it fall on someone else instead of your own face
<Althego> it is just a joke
<JVFoxy> oh, I know
<JVFoxy> besides, who'd use a toilet as an airplane seat anyways?:P
<darsie> Hmm, idk if I tried aerobatics in the Cessna 172 in flightgear.
* raptop suspects that the joke is from the 1920s, and implies barnstorming in a biplane
<JVFoxy> in air cadets, took a flight in a Cessna. They pulled a bit of a nose dive stunt suddenly to startle the one student. Thinking back now, probably not the wisest of moves
<Althego> at least from the 70s, or may be older
<raptop> Anyway, WW1 is now closer to the Napoleonic wars than the present
<packbart> "no new content in decades!1"
<JVFoxy> uh.. what was that saying? 'War doesn't change...'
<JVFoxy> not exactly sure on how 'true' that is
<Althego> war never changes?
<raptop> [Fallout Narrator Voice] "War. War never changes."
<JVFoxy> Althego oh right.. lol, shows how much I actually got into fallout. :\
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<raptop> !mission
<LunchBot> raptop: M is for Mission; that's good enough for you. Wernher von Kerman chases you out of the R&D complex with a broom.
<raptop> Ah, the Kerbin edition of Seasame Street
<Althego> must be a rocket powered broom
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<JVFoxy> lol
<JVFoxy> hey, at least it wasn't a rocket powered chainsaw
<Althego> kerbals had rockets before they had wheels. so obviously the broom came later too
<JVFoxy> world where they were taught rockets first before anything else...ya, its going to cause something of a mess with the tech tree
<JVFoxy> though... they learned to float in 0g before they were taught to walk I wonder
<raptop> Maybe kerbals aren't native to kerbin?
<Althego> that is a possibility
<Althego> there is nothing on the planet
<raptop> kerbals are spores, and the space center is a fruiting body
<JVFoxy> from what I take from the creator's original idea, its whatever you want it to be.
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<Guest23539> sneed
<a_flayer> chuck
<sandbox> why has this become a thing all of a sudden?
<sandbox> don't explain the joke
<a_flayer> honk honk
<Guest23539> The joke is that the place is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed" which is clever in itself and quite funny to those with a mature sense of humour but what's really just hilarious about it is that if you look closely at the front of this store, Sneed's Feed & Seed, you can see a line that reads "Formerly Chuck's". Now, this might go over the average viewe
<Guest23539> r's head as this, THIS, is peak comedy. I doubt anything will ever be as funny as the joke about Sneed's Feed & Seed. Are you ready for this one? So, like I said, the place is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed" and this sign says "Formerly Chuck's", which means that when Chuck owned the place, well, I don't have to tell you...
<raptop> ah, it's a reworking of that old joke with the guy with 3(4?) daughters and rhyming wordlplay to sneak in a bad word
<sandbox> I keep seeing it everywhere
<sandbox> and I don't know why
<a_flayer> its the same reason you see star wars references everywhere
<sandbox> I haven't seen any repeated star wars references lately
<a_flayer> its pop culture
<raptop> There's a 4-panel meme derived from ep 2 that's big on the bad bird website at the moment
<sandbox> but why now?
* raptop shrugs
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