raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.11.2 | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | < Solar_Oracle> What can you do on Venus? Unless you put up a Tibanna gas refinery and casino, absolutely nothing.
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<Solar_Oracle>
"The first and most oppressive lie ever uttered was the song of freedom."
* Solar_Oracle
agrees.
<raptop>
sounds vaguely 40k
<Solar_Oracle>
"Blessed is the mind too small for doubt."
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<Solar_Oracle>
"An open mind is like an open fortress, with its gates unbarred and unguarded."
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<Solar_Oracle>
I thought it'd be funny to crowdsource decisions for a game of BattleTech 2018 or let a bot decide.
* raptop
feels like the decision quality would be amusingly high variance
<Solar_Oracle>
It'd make for a hilarious character creation process at the least.
<Solar_Oracle>
Although combat would be real odd if no one knows how to BattleTech
<Solar_Oracle>
"Just fire one salvo of LRM-5s! DO IT!"
<raptop>
"No, no, you should alpha-strike every turn"
<Solar_Oracle>
"WARNING! Temperature critical!"
<Solar_Oracle>
"Just send up the Locust 3-M to point blank range! Who CARES if it's armored in tissue paper!?"
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<Solar_Oracle>
Wait, did someone say Betelgeuse three times?
<raptop>
supernova! supernova! supernova!
<raptop>
(hey, it's worth a shot)
<Solar_Oracle>
Might not be as spectacular as you're hoping given the reduction in mass estimates.
<raptop>
Eh, it's something like 500x closer than SN 1987A, and visible from the northern hemisphere
<Solar_Oracle>
Plot twist: Betelgeuse is even closer and far smaller and just a red dwarf start orbiting Sol that looks irregular because an intern smudged the telescope lense.
<raptop>
aaaaa
<Solar_Oracle>
As it turns out, there's no Planet IX, but we ARE in a binary system! Oho ho ho ho.
<Solar_Oracle>
It's one of his very last, in fact.
<Solar_Oracle>
Written back when the idea of a companion star was very popular.
<Solar_Oracle>
Nowadays, Nibiru is all nonsense.
<raptop>
ah
<raptop>
(I mean, this would have been before anyone had properly found the kuiper belt or brown dwarfs)
<Solar_Oracle>
Shhh, little Oort Cloud, we'll find you.
<Solar_Oracle>
Though I still think the potential danger of cometary objects is hilariously overblown.
* raptop
's understanding is that impact risks are dominated by NEOs
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<Solar_Oracle>
Objects that cross Earth's orbit within a similar plane around once a year are going to present a greater risk of impact than objects that cross on highly inclined orbits once every thousand years.
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<FLHerne>
!mission add You stage an F1 race with spare Saturn V engines.
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Added mission: You stage an F1 race with spare Saturn V engines.
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<FLHerne>
(credit to raptop)
<UmbralRaptop>
yay
<dnsmcbr>
"spare"
<Truga>
lol
<FLHerne>
!stupid fixup s/spare/"spare"/
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: No recently-mentioned stupid quote found matching "spare".
<FLHerne>
!mission fixup s/spare/"spare"/
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: New text is: You stage an F1 race with "spare" Saturn V engines.
<FLHerne>
I keep meaning to unify that
<minas_tirith>
FLHerne, hey
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<Deddly>
!nextlunch
<LunchBot>
Deddly: Gruel of Indecision.
<Deddly>
Hmm, I can't decide whether I really want that
<Althego>
hehe
<Izaya>
quiz: what's louder: a ZXR250 with a chopped exhaust or an F-1 engine
<Althego>
i vote for the f-1
<Althego>
generally rocket engines are really loud
<Izaya>
this is true, but a tiny 4-pot engine with no muffler is pretty loud too
<Izaya>
evidently we need to get one of both and find out
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<darsie>
In space nobody can hear rocket engines.
<Deddly>
In space, no-one can hear your ICE, either.
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<Althego>
what, bird? since she is on holiday, this will be only an 8 hour long stream :)
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<raptop>
!mission add Today is a good day to die.
<LunchBot>
raptop: Added mission: Today is a good day to die.
<raptop>
!outcome add Today is a good day to die.
<LunchBot>
raptop: Added outcome: Today is a good day to die.
<raptop>
(It works for both, see)
<Althego>
hehe she burned the noodles. also moved the holiday one day
<Althego>
kikkerikii
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<raptop>
green floofy cat
<Mat2ch>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Mat2ch: You attempt to do a return flight from Jool. The launch vehicle is too large for the lander and your craft overheats.
<Mat2ch>
What do we learn from this? Never launch too fast from Jool.
<Althego>
cat lag generator
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<stupid_chris>
Jesus this is a blast from the past, had no idea this server was still alive
<raptop>
IRC is immortal
<stupid_chris>
Death, Taxes, and IRC
<Althego>
will be here even when facebook is gone
<raptop>
see eg: how someone tried to launch a hostile takeover of freenode and now libera.chat exists
<Althego>
maybe even after the end of civilziation
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<jgkamat>
irc is a protocol, fb is a service. So of course irc will last longer
<Althego>
but somebody needs to run the server
<Althego>
and in that case it is a service
<jgkamat>
and that someone can be you :)
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<Althego>
hehe constant tangents for an hour, no superchat read yet
<Deddly>
Oh hey stupid_chris is here :)
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<Deddly>
Whacha up to these days?
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<Deddly>
As in, what else could you possibly be doing that doesn't involve IRC? ;)
<Deddly>
I find it surprising that relatively few people actually know about this channel. There is a direct link to it on the forum, but I guess people just go where they are used to going
<stupid_chris>
Deddly I was mostly wondering if this was still active, haven't actually been in here in like... 5 years
<stupid_chris>
Not too long after I left the mod team basically
<stupid_chris>
.... Uh okay yeah more like nearly 7 years
<stupid_chris>
I forget how long ago early 2015 was
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<Deddly>
Hehe. Time flies when you're having fun, eh?
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<stupid_chris>
If by that you mean suffering in university
<stupid_chris>
Sure
<stupid_chris>
*pain*
<Althego>
why did the orange stop? because it ran out of juice
<Althego>
(2 stupid dogs)
<stupid_chris>
But to answer your question Deddly, I'm actually making a return to KSP and modding in general
<stupid_chris>
Having a career and free time does wonder for your mental health
<Althego>
because of the end of development or because of ksp2?
<Deddly>
That's nice to hear, stupid_chris
<stupid_chris>
That's mostly coincidental
<FLHerne>
wait, what end of development?
<Althego>
1.12 is the last minor update for ksp 1
<stupid_chris>
I got my job last October, and I only have one uni class left
<Althego>
only patch releases after that
<FLHerne>
Really? That's a shame :-(
<FLHerne>
Oh well, there are always mods
<stupid_chris>
So free time came through in May, I've had RealChute 2 on the backburner for years, so it kinda fell on my plate again
<stupid_chris>
Got some good progress in, been streaming dev a bit on twitch as well
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<Deddly>
Althego, last *major* update
<Althego>
no, minor, since the last major update is 1.0
<Deddly>
They call it the last major update
<Althego>
which increases the minor version
<Althego>
so it is a minor update :)
<Deddly>
Minor updates are mainly bug fixes
<stupid_chris>
If you want to be technical about version numbers, yes 1.0 is major. But in the real world, software is what matters, and a major update is defined as something that causes changes large enough to break stuff<
<Althego>
and that is why major numbers are used for that
<Deddly>
OK so, semantically, it's a minor number update, but it is a major update
<stupid_chris>
^
<stupid_chris>
It's all been major updates yes
<Althego>
let's call it the last content update
<Deddly>
We don't know if 1.12.1 will have any content :P
<stupid_chris>
1.0 was more of a "feature complete" flag
<Althego>
yes in this case you could feel they were rushing the version numbers toreach 1.0
<stupid_chris>
Nah, they simply reached the original scope of the game
<stupid_chris>
Everything that came after was simply expanded scope, it's fairly common
<Althego>
from 0.24 went to what, 0.7 i cant remember
<Deddly>
It went to 0.9
<stupid_chris>
0.90
<sandbox>
hello there :)
<stupid_chris>
0.9 != 0.90
<Althego>
obi-wan?
<Deddly>
0.9x was "Beta Than Ever"
<Deddly>
Good point, stupid_chris
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<Althego>
yes, he is right, i missed a 0 there
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<stupid_chris>
Common mistake made is to assume version numbers are numerical
<Deddly>
Yeah
<stupid_chris>
They should really be treated as text
<Deddly>
It would be nice if it was something like 1v12 instead
<sandbox>
I felt they rushed the version numbers too
<Deddly>
They totally rushed 1.0
<Deddly>
It went from alpha -> beta -> release in no time
<stupid_chris>
Probably, but I think Felipe wanted to release it and move on at the point
<Deddly>
stupid_chris, as someone who almost exclusively lands things on wings, what does the video you linked to above showcase?
<Deddly>
Oh wait, there are more videos
<stupid_chris>
Parachutes not clipping into each other
<Deddly>
That's pretty sweet
<stupid_chris>
Dynamically, so not like stock that lets you just put a deflection angle
<stupid_chris>
Requires a very minor setup at the part level, but nothing insane
<stupid_chris>
Just adding a trigger collider to the canopies and animate it along
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<Deddly>
Interesting. So on yours, what happens if you spam parachutes?
<stupid_chris>
They move out of the way
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<stupid_chris>
The best they can at least
<Deddly>
I mean, there has to be a limit
<stupid_chris>
Not really
<stupid_chris>
I tested it with 8 way symmetry, went nicely
<Deddly>
I think you underestimate the number of parachutes people put on their heavy Eve landers ;)
<stupid_chris>
And you underestimate the concept of RealChute :P
<Deddly>
I'm imagining numbers where the parachutes would end up almost horizontal, or more
<stupid_chris>
Stop spamming the number of parachutes, and just put a handful of appropriately sized parachutes
<Deddly>
Oh I agree with that. I was just wondering what would happen. I have seen some crazy stuff
<stupid_chris>
They'd get out of the way, theres no upper limit to the logic
<stupid_chris>
It just detects all those around and moves out of the way from their common center point
<Deddly>
Sounds very useful.
<Deddly>
I would love to see what it looks like with 30 parachutes vying for the same space
<stupid_chris>
Probably a big circle
<stupid_chris>
It's a greedy algorithm, it doesn't find an optimal solution, just the easiest one
<stupid_chris>
Ain't about to do sphere packing lmao
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<Deddly>
:)
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<stupid_chris>
But it's overwhelmingly unlikely to happen because of the core purpose of RealChute
<stupid_chris>
Which is to reduce parachute parts required to a minimum
<Althego>
why?
<Althego>
because they are unrealistic? or too heavy on the cpu?
<stupid_chris>
Because that makes no sense realistically
<stupid_chris>
Ever seen a spacecraft spam like 30 chutes?
<Althego>
yes
<stupid_chris>
Like?
<Althego>
that is not even that many
<Althego>
i mean in ksp
<raptop>
Well, granted, realism would involve a tweakable for parachute size
<stupid_chris>
I did specify *realistically*
<Althego>
real ones probably no more than 4 mains
<stupid_chris>
raptop in other words, RealChute
<raptop>
yeah
<stupid_chris>
And that's my point, RealChute aims to make it *realistic*. Realism doesn't spam standardly sized parachutes, they custom make them for every craft
<stupid_chris>
So it's very unlikely that the deflection algorithm will have to deflect like 30 parachutes
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<stupid_chris>
Ngl, a little disappointed that most of the moderation team doesn't use RealChute ;)
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<Solar_Oracle>
Betelgeuse have a champaign supernova yet?
<Althego>
hehe
<raptop>
hm
<Solar_Oracle>
Watch out for the bubbly radiation.
<Althego>
i dont know about that. but i remember the wobbley sidekick from tyrian. (yes, the output was wobbley radiation forward)
<Althego>
not bad for a public outreach instrument :)
<raptop>
Making the voyagers look bad?
* Solar_Oracle
sobs in Galileo.
<raptop>
high gain antenna, what's that?
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
didnt galileo used some magnetic tape for storage?
<Solar_Oracle>
Yeah, but that was common in that era.
<Althego>
space tech and magnetic tape. especially at jupiter. sounds strange to me
<Solar_Oracle>
They had troubles with it properly cycling, and there were times in which data was lost.
<Solar_Oracle>
Well, it'd probably be more more resilient than solid state memory.
<Solar_Oracle>
That Galileo was able to send as much data as it did is something of a miracle, and NASA had to significantly improve its deep space comm network to facilitate greater downlink with the probe than what was thought possible at the time.
<raptop>
Vaguely looking through some galleries of Galileo images, there's lots of Io and Europa, not much Callisto, and even less Ganymede
<Solar_Oracle>
I think that's explicitly mentioned in some of the histories. It's not like they had an abundance of bandwidth for photos, too!
<Solar_Oracle>
It even details particular flybys and their objectives.
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<Solar_Oracle>
More dimming of our favorite red giant star.
<Althego>
looks like some kind of activity to me
<raptop>
tempted to kick the star and see what happens, given the connection weirdness
<raptop>
unless, like betelgeuse is having wifi problems?
<Althego>
heh i never saw the new solar panels unroll
<Althego>
on the iss
<Solar_Oracle>
Huh, there's a Xibalba in Elite Dangerous. Wonder if I'll find a tree floating in space there.
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<Althego>
what did the intel people think when they came up with the name "rambo cache"
* raptop
assumes that they're designing a memory system for COIN operations, especially in jungle environments
* raptop
pokes betelgeuse with a cat-3 cable
<Althego>
could have named it tango cache, dunnier :)
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<Solar_Oracle>
It's gonna blow, get to the storm shelters!
* raptop
ducks behind a petal of xeelee structural material and plans to surf away
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<Solar_Oracle>
Surfing a supernova shockwave is pretty metal.
<darsie>
Solar_Oracle: Are you referring to elements beyond helium?
<raptop>
That feels unintentional but appropriate
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<Solar_Oracle>
The only thing that could improve this is actually playing some death metal while your board starts descending down the periodic table from the impact.
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<raptop>
Note to self: make sure to unban him in a few hours
<kbuck>
I guess that's what happens when you say "betelgeuse joined the channel" 100 times
<raptop>
yeah
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<darsie>
I'm an idiot. I found the Minmus ion experiment again, saved, and launched again ... without accepting the contract.
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<darsie>
Hmm, OTOH, I can accept the contract later.
<darsie>
It's not like a satellite that has to be built after accepting the controct. Idiot!
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<TwistenX>
Should I make a Starship-esque or a Shuttle-like rocket
<TwistenX>
Nice! Do you plan on returning to Kerbin or are you gonna strand Bob on Minmus?
<darsie>
Bob will stay on Minmus with the lab. The lab could fly him and Graeming (the other 2* scientist) back home. My 2* Engineer Cristiano, who set up the solar panel, will fly back.
<TwistenX>
You could put escape pods just in case, like if you're doing a Space Station and you have impending impact on a craft without fuel or an asteroid