raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.11.2 | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | < Solar_Oracle> What can you do on Venus? Unless you put up a Tibanna gas refinery and casino, absolutely nothing.
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<Mat2ch>
Althego: now I want to know what is in the blue envelopes.
<Althego>
what's in the box?
<Althego>
what blue envelope
<Mat2ch>
Read the last line
<Mat2ch>
"Open your blue envelopes and snooze"
<Mat2ch>
There was a sealed evelope on their plane for this situation.
<Mat2ch>
where did you get that link from?
<Althego>
irc
<Mat2ch>
Crazy stuff.
<Althego>
i think at best all this ufo thing is a huge distration
<Mat2ch>
From what
<Mat2ch>
who will benefit?
<Althego>
yes, that is the tihng
<Althego>
look, what is this? a ufo! quick, grab the worst camera we have!
<Mat2ch>
I showed you the pics from the fighter yet.
<Mat2ch>
No bad camera, just quick shots.
<Althego>
yes those were better
<Mat2ch>
I'm not talking about the basic lunatic here.
<Althego>
but think of this, everybody carries a high resolution camera with them, if they are here, tehre should be thousands of pictures
<Mat2ch>
and why now? Don't know. Could be coincidence.
<Mat2ch>
Could also be that some scientists are working on things that might change our view of the universe and allow us what they have. Superluminal travel.
<Mat2ch>
Then it's a good time to introduce themselfs.
<Mat2ch>
And how to do it better than by increasing the talk about them.
<Althego>
i woul like to have superluminal travel please
<Mat2ch>
That's how you break the news.
<Mat2ch>
If you want to avoid panic give as many signs as possible that something big might happen.
<Mat2ch>
Then almost everyone is mentally prepared.
<Althego>
nobody can be prepared
<Mat2ch>
Why not?
<Althego>
also consequences of just the mere existence of alien life would have long lasting changes in society. or example in law and religion
<Althego>
for example somebody kills an alien. is that murder?
<Althego>
legally this is totally undefined
<Althego>
oh yes, and history taught us that if two cultures come into contact, even if they are human, the less development culture will always be worse off
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<Mat2ch>
That is the case because the less developed culture was always abused. But WE already know that this is a bad thing and try not to do it anymore and even preserve indigious people
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<Mat2ch>
and yes, the laws would need adaption, but that's a minor thing and the aliens probably have some suggestions how to define it.
<Mat2ch>
The German law speaks of a "human". But the English law says "person" already. And a intelligent alien would fall in the category "person".
<Althego>
obviously
<Althego>
as religion is not an allwoed topic that would take a hard hit too
<Althego>
and we cant spea more about that
<Mat2ch>
The US is... a weird thing, because every state seems to have a different law for it.
<Althego>
there is a rather short book, The Greks Bring Gifts
<Althego>
what would happen if aliens gave us their tech
<Mat2ch>
Iff there is intelligent life out there and iff it is watching us, then they have probably no intention to make us gifts. They are just watching.
<Althego>
i wouldnt contact us
<Mat2ch>
Because everything else could have been done decades ago.
<Mat2ch>
Watching yes, contact no. But if they are a bit like us, they will have a few dull individuals which might show up on radar...
<Mat2ch>
Or... they are unaware of us and don't think that we are an intelligent species.
<Althego>
that is the recurring joke
<Althego>
they found no intelligent life on earth
<Mat2ch>
But it would explain those close encounters.
<Mat2ch>
Curious what a plane is and why it just fired things
<Mat2ch>
Not getting that there are intelligent people inside watching them back.
<Althego>
we can transition to the fermi paradox and the great filters
<Mat2ch>
Think of an intelligent species that developed on a huge ocean planet
<Althego>
maybe ultimately every intelligent life is met its end before contact
<Althego>
maybe they built ai that took over and killed them
<Althego>
we have such intelligent species here
<Althego>
whales
<Althego>
probablysmarter than us, but cant show it
<Althego>
they have no technology
<Mat2ch>
But why doesn't the AI care about us then?
<Mat2ch>
And if the whales are smarter than we are, they would've figured out a way to show it.
<Mat2ch>
Different sounds, movement, etc.
<Althego>
also i am quite afraid that most life is outside of the goldilocks zone under ice in gas planet moons
<Althego>
so even if they intelligent they dont see the stars to inspire them
<Althego>
they dont even know they are there
<Mat2ch>
I don't think that there is life at all.
<Mat2ch>
Life needs sunlight to develop as huge power source.
<Mat2ch>
The cycles this planet goes through every day by being heated up and cooling down again moves all the nutrients around
<Althego>
there is at least some chance that the first life here was chemo synthesizing near hydrothermal vents
<Althego>
two star trek episodes come into mind. in voyager when they are trapped next to a planet and the inhabitants culture is influenced just by the presence of the ship which looks like a bright star
<Althego>
there is an other one in tng, when there are some xenophobic aliens and riker is held captive, and starfleet realizes it was a mistake to be among them in person
<Althego>
there is a third one, where picard is thought of as a god by the locals, i really like that episode, but unlikely that the peaceful resolution would happen in reality
<umaxtu>
yeah, TNG and TOS were kinda naïve
<Althego>
these are titled blink of an eye, first contact, who watches the watchers
<Althego>
huh, google can find it from a few wirds
<Althego>
words
<Mat2ch>
The first one was an accident and Voyager got stuck there and couldn't move. Also the planet itself was in a time bubble and developed much quicker so the few hours Voyager was there was 1000 years for them
<Mat2ch>
the second one you mention I don't remember
<Mat2ch>
but the third on ends in Picard getting shot by an arrow and "dying"
<Althego>
not dying
<Althego>
just injured
<Althego>
and then they realize they are just people too
<Mat2ch>
I think it hit his heart again...
<Mat2ch>
Also: An accidental contact
<Mat2ch>
we wouldn't think as Gods of them now.
<Althego>
i really cant remember the titles
<Althego>
or was that a title?
<Mat2ch>
and "First Contact" doesn't fit either, because we are used to being spied on by foreign intelligences somehow...
<Mat2ch>
What title do you not remember?
<Althego>
i though an accidental contact wasa title because you capitalized
<Mat2ch>
umaxtu: TNG was the Dark Mirror of the 90s. :D
<Mat2ch>
Oh, no, I did that, because there was a colon.
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<Althego>
kikkerikii
<raptop>
huh, world of warcraft
<umaxtu>
what about wow?
<Althego>
classic
<Althego>
whatever that means
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<Althego>
hah der8auer finally got to that nano probing cpu transistors video
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<Althego>
nsf also speculates that since sn17 is disassembled and nothing is happening to sn16, and there is also work on sn20, it seems next flight will be the orbital
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