<xShadowx>
yours looks.....closer to crap like bing XD
<Agathorn>
yeah :(
<Agathorn>
seems like it might be Opera doing it :(
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<xShadowx>
ah i use chrome
<Starwaster>
What altitude did Apollo jettison its LES/boost cover?
<Agathorn>
got tired of chrome's bloat and firefox's mozilla being clueless about life. Honestly I change browsers like once a month as they all inevitably piss me off for one reason or another
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<Pap>
Sorry if I posted anything strange earlier, my daughter had the keyboard and was pressing all the buttons when I wasn't home
<Agathorn>
lol
<Agathorn>
didn't see anything
<Pap>
ok good!
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<stratochief>
Starwaster: which version? the Saturn IB and V may do it a bit differently. either way,shortly after they confirmed a good ignition on the second stage
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<stratochief>
Agathorn: could be an adblocker of some kind updated?
<Agathorn>
man Pirates is almost totally sold out :(
<Agathorn>
stratochief: Opera has a built in ad blocker but I did try turning it off and it made no difference
<stratochief>
... of the Caribbean?
<Agathorn>
yes
<stratochief>
man, that franchise sold out long ago
<Agathorn>
I love them
<Agathorn>
I don't go in expecting Shakespear
<stratochief>
eww. well, can't go accounting for taste
<Agathorn>
They are a fun romp :)
<Agathorn>
nothing more
<stratochief>
when I want fun romps, I watch sketch comedy
<stratochief>
I might get my girlfriend to watch Pain & Gain when she gets home, I recall that movie being rediculous
<Agathorn>
And you're mocking me?
<Agathorn>
you keepo your tastes i'll keep mine :D
<stratochief>
just letting you know I disagree with your taste.
<stratochief>
indeed
<stratochief>
Agathorn: have you seen/played "Take On Mars" ? the pre-human part of that game makes me think a lot of what you're shooting for in your game
<Agathorn>
I own it
<Agathorn>
Never been able to play much of it though
<Agathorn>
it always bores me within an hour :(
<Agathorn>
bores? boars? hmm neither of those words looks correct
<stratochief>
unsure, I'd go with bore. as in boring
<Agathorn>
yeah except it makes me think of boring holes in the ground lol
<UmbralRaptor>
bores. Unless it throws wild hogs at you.
<Agathorn>
anyway yeah the early stages of that game bore me. It doesn't help that for the longest time you really can't do anything
<stratochief>
boring a hole in the ground is always a sure-fire way to have a good time
<Agathorn>
you pick a location, drop a proble, click a button, then done.. go to the tech tree select something and timewarp
<stratochief>
true. but in your version, you're juggling launches, as well as missions aimed at other planets, orbits, etc.
<Agathorn>
presumably the game gets better later as you unlock more tech but I never manage to get to later withotu qutting
<Agathorn>
yeah hopefully in my case there is more going on
<Agathorn>
hopefully
<stratochief>
I still feel like the basic moving parts are similar, so worth scouring for good idea/mechanics to steal
<stratochief>
maybe not fun to play, but possibly fun to dissect and analyze. think of it as doing homework for your game :P
<stratochief>
"should I do the camera stuff like this, or does it not work well?"
<stratochief>
"should I let the player take control in some situations like this, or no?"
<stratochief>
it is a shame that game doesn't appear to go into the early Mars Direct style missions, where you have like ~100+ things to accomplish while controlling human crew. the "space engineers" crew'd stuff they do doesn't appear particularly original or interesting to me
<stratochief>
but they do have hardware with recipies, so in theory that could be setup to be realistic/interesting
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<xShadowx>
so kerbal retires, what effects (other than a rep) can one have?
<Pap>
Money for the tours and corporate speeches?
<xShadowx>
im thinking randomly apply rep every so often as he prolly spends more time wandering around bragging the moon is a nice place ;p
<xShadowx>
Pap: er? that confuses me :P
<Pap>
lol
<xShadowx>
i mean anything he does in his free time is his money, unless you mean still 'works for me' just not active kerbalnaut
<Pap>
Ah, I see what you mean, so he is officially retired, makes sense
<Pap>
Should RP-0 also start using that mod from LGG that forces astronauts to take time off between missions?
<xShadowx>
RO should req KKS :P mwuhaha
<xShadowx>
i guess along with rep, could be cash boosts, people think space is col, donate to K(erbal)ASA :P
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<Agathorn>
random rep drop because he's gotten old an senmile and is annotying people or saying bad things like you should taske down your space station
<xShadowx>
hah ya
<xShadowx>
maybe starts out positive boosts
<xShadowx>
gradual decline, random roll if itll be positive or neg, older he gets more neg
<Agathorn>
if its strictly tieds to age then you need to add a mission to assinate them so you can take care of the problem
<xShadowx>
hahaha
<xShadowx>
oh i should make one so kerbals at ksc randomly get assassinated
<xShadowx>
hasnt that accually happened IRL? or no
<xShadowx>
or attempted atleast
<Agathorn>
not sure
<Agathorn>
they certainly had/have high security
<Agathorn>
and were probably worried about commnie plots during the space race
<xShadowx>
id expect em to be good security lol
<Agathorn>
but I would be surprised if anything like that ever actually happened
<xShadowx>
ooo good point
<Agathorn>
too public
<xShadowx>
sabotage wouldnt be
* xShadowx
adds sabotage failure to TF and sets it to ignore part data
<Agathorn>
getting caught would be
* xShadowx
leaves comment that said failure was Agathorn's idea
<Agathorn>
and doing something like that without being caught would be very hard - thus an operation of such would be very risky and probably was never done
<UmbralRaptor>
Gerard Bull? (but that was weapons research)
<Agathorn>
anyone have any idea what one of the longer names of a part might be?
<Pap>
one sec, i'll tell you th elongest for RO
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<Pap>
There is a part from Raidernick that is 67 characters long
<Agathorn>
Thanks!
<Agathorn>
wow thats really long
<Pap>
sure is!
<Pap>
There is a couple of long Near Future engine names as well
<Pap>
I like it, maybe indent it one or two characters, but if you decide on the other way, I would say left justified
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<stratochief>
Agathorn: hey, was at the TV. what up?
<Agathorn>
oh sorry to interrupt your veg out :)
<Agathorn>
scrollback? Was looking on thoughts for the property UI layout
<stratochief>
the last screenshot looks fine. you're prototyping, making a working proof of concept. why you wringing your hands over which side it justifies to?
<stratochief>
without having a gui with more than one item, it is a bit hard to judge how it will actually look, when there are multiple engines being listed or compared
<stratochief>
(more than one engine)
<Agathorn>
stop being reasonable
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<Agathorn>
I get lost in these rabbit holes because I like things looking good
<Agathorn>
and my brain needs distractions
<Agathorn>
I can't just slave away on code all day you monster
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* stratochief
cracks the code whip, like the monster he is
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drops an anvil on stratochief like all the fun cartoons do
<stratochief>
you could just cloen the X-405 you already have, if the thing stopping you from testing the gui with more than one engine is that you currently just have the one config'd
* stratochief
checks for the ACME label
<Agathorn>
I have two engines at the moment and yeah I can clone them but it isan't a big deal at the moment
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<Agathorn>
don't know why I said at the moment twice
<stratochief>
sometime you might determine why, sometime.
<Agathorn>
but whatever.. I'm going to order some pizza and watch movie and you can't stop me
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steals Agathorn's pizza
<stratochief>
you watch movie; I will practice my grammar
<Agathorn>
xShadowx: jokes on you I said ORDER.. it hasn't even been made yet :)
<Agathorn>
you'll have to at least wait a half hour to steal it
<stratochief>
Agathorn have I not introduced you to our lord and saviour, meal prep? much healthier than pizza
* xShadowx
waits for order to be made then steals pizza
<Agathorn>
I don't like cooking and not much is tastier than pizza :D
<xShadowx>
nachos > pizza
<xShadowx>
bacon > all
<Pap>
Agathorn: tells the truth
<stratochief>
although I can't really compare to normal folk. I eat salted lentils or fried tomato on toast for lunch most every day
<Agathorn>
bacon on my pizza
<xShadowx>
if bacon > all, is bacon > bacon?
<stratochief>
I made bacon/onion/cheddar home-made pizza the other week. fucking glorious
<Agathorn>
bacon wrapped bacon
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<stratochief>
epic meal time fan? well, enjoy your remaining 5-10 years of bacon soaked life :P
<Agathorn>
always wanted to try a bacon weave breakfast burrito
<Agathorn>
lol
<Pap>
stratochief: so many things can kill you, why not clogged arteries?
<xShadowx>
stratochief: last week, bacon, canadian bacon, pepperoni, sausage, tiny shreds of steak, cheddar, mozzarella, pineapple, onion, green bell pepper, garlic, various herbs
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<stratochief>
xShadowx: home made, or no?
<xShadowx>
home :D cept crust pre bought
<stratochief>
Pap: may the statistics be every in your favour.
<Pap>
xShadowx: do you have a pizza oven?
<xShadowx>
i even put string cheeses into the edge of crust and rolled it up ;3
<stratochief>
I'm pretty good at making my own crust, but yeah, I'm fine with people buying them
<Pap>
stratochief: I have kids now, my wife says I have to eat vegetables to set a good example
<xShadowx>
Pap: just normal oven
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<Agathorn>
99% of it is genetics anyway
<stratochief>
Pap: vegetables are delicious, when cooked and paired properly. although Alana and I both love brussel sprouts, most cruciferous vegatables really
<xShadowx>
Pap: thats why kids get their own room, away from parents, so you can eat whatever the fuck you want while they cant see ;p
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<stratochief>
Agathorn: respectfully disagree
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<xShadowx>
stratochief: i used a bunch of italian seasoning on top, was nomz ;o
<xShadowx>
NathanKell: whats your fav pizza?
<NathanKell>
hmm, maybe meatball and onion?
<Qboid>
NathanKell: Agathorn left a message for you in #RO [26.05.2017 15:39:30]: "btw saw you trying to use #blah last night.. the RO repo isn't default anymore so you have to prefix that, IE RO#42..just an FYI"
<NathanKell>
Agathorn: Ah, thanks!
<NathanKell>
No more #1 pings!
<xShadowx>
p.s. dont say vintage pepperoni from the 60s :P
<xShadowx>
mmm meatball
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<Pap>
NathanKell: if you like meatball and onion, may i recoomemend kicking that up a notch and adding ricotta cheese, basil and crushed garlic...
<xShadowx>
and bacon
<NathanKell>
ooh, intriguing!
<Agathorn>
evening NathanKell
<xShadowx>
everything needs bacon :| and not that silly tofu bacon
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<Agathorn>
yes no more #1 pings.. though I think that could have also been solved by just requiring some flag to show closed issues
<xShadowx>
i saw a tofurky once......i just turned around and walked away
<Agathorn>
but this works as well, as long as everyone remembers to prefix it
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<stratochief>
someone will let us/me know if they see KCT get a 1.2 release?
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calls lamont's internet provider
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<NathanKell>
stratochief: Why do you think you'll have better luck reaching them than lamont does :P
<stratochief>
because my internet works. his clearly doesn't
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<NathanKell>
....heh, fair point
<Pap>
lol
<xShadowx>
but phones != internet
<Agathorn>
there are these things called phones that don't require internet
<stratochief>
on VOIP, it does
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<Pap>
What is a good amount of money to reward a player for a repeating contract that needs to reach geosynchrnous orbits?
<Agathorn>
who actually uses VOIP phones though?
<stratochief>
o/
<Pap>
companies love VOIP phones
<xShadowx>
businesses
<Agathorn>
ok what individual :)
<xShadowx>
ones at work
<xShadowx>
:P
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<xShadowx>
isnt the one system uh vonage or w/e voip?
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<xShadowx>
i remember seein it was claiming to be like $10/month for phone over your interweb service
<xShadowx>
back when ads existed
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<NathanKell>
my parents use Vonage so they can have both a Connecticut number and a Maine number ring to the same phone
<Pap>
Damn, I accidentally made a Hamburger looking satellite and didn't notice until it got into orbit
<NathanKell>
have for decades
<NathanKell>
heh
<Pap>
Linuxgurugamer is a freak!
* xShadowx
eats Pap's hamburger
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<stratochief>
Pap: heatshield buns?
<Pap>
My space program is bordering on bankruptcy, I need all the probes I can get, give me back my hamburger xShadowx
<Pap>
stratochief: no, goldfoil flattened curved tanks
<Agathorn>
hamburgers are yuck.. if it doesn't have cheese on it, it isn't edible
<Pap>
^ truth
<NathanKell>
:D :D yeah, dem tanks do it
<Pap>
NathanKell: have you seen the Real Battery mod?
<NathanKell>
Ah, I have not!
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<Pap>
Since you seem to understand all of these things, is it something that should be considered for RO?
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<stratochief>
Pap: it feels a bit micro-manage-y to me, but then again PersistentRotation might seem that way to other people
<Pap>
I thought the same thing stratochief
<NathanKell>
What's it do?
<stratochief>
RealBattery would probably be necessary if we had more ion/electric propulsion options
<Pap>
I am assuming that a lot of the way that EC works now in RO would have be looked at differently
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<NathanKell>
First mistake: it does part.force_activate();
<stratochief>
also, if we want to add more electric propulsion, we'd probably need to ensure Peristent Propulsion worked for it. that may not be possible in concert with Principia
<NathanKell>
_in_ onstart!!!!
<NathanKell>
which entails it already being activated. Wtf.
<NathanKell>
also in ReadAllBatteryModules, which can do _all_ sorts of harm I think
<NathanKell>
oy.
<NathanKell>
So no, we should not be using it right now Pap.
<Pap>
Sounds bad, very, very bad
<NathanKell>
Jesus, and it does linq in fixedupdate too
<stratochief>
NathanKell: the mod author may appreciate some gentle feedback. I would expect that they had realism and the RO suite in mind, given the name
<NathanKell>
that's not bad so much as slow and garbagey (muh clean code!)
<NathanKell>
Yes, and I'd dearly love to have limited discharge rates
<NathanKell>
Welp, guess I need to unlurk the ol' account at some point
<NathanKell>
And yes, I'm usually more tactful :]
<stratochief>
it is good to have an outlet (here) to say what you really feel about it, then once that is out of your system you can filter the constructive bits into a forum response :)
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<NathanKell>
^_^
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* xShadowx
scratches head
<Pap>
<---reading backchat
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<Pap>
ok, done, looks like lamont has signed on an off a lot
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<stratochief>
generally it appears to be lamont_
<xShadowx>
i'm accuually slightly surprised internet issues still exist today, i mean ya its technology, has issues from time to time, just seems like we should have backup systems and stuff to not have issues by now :P
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<Pap>
xShadowx: if you listen to the f-ing moron running the FCC, it is because of Net Neutrality
<stratochief>
I've worked in cable internet. we'd all rather have it be faster and/or cheaper than more reliable or with backups
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<xShadowx>
stratochief: nah thats just people who want their porn to stream without stopping
<stratochief>
the signal amplification systems built into your neighbourhood and home internet equipment is really good, but it can only do so much
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<NathanKell>
Pap: The internet is not a truck tho. At least he doesn't think it's a truck.
<stratochief>
also, an astounding number of internet issues are caused by"some idiot took a piece of digging equipment through a run of fibre optics"
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<stratochief>
hello lamont. goodby lamont_
<NathanKell>
heading out for dinner, see you east coasters tomorrow and the rest when I get back :)
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<Pap>
stratochief: since you are my goto ISRU guy, if you were to group it into a technology branch, would you say Materials Science, Crew Support or Science?
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<xShadowx>
fun story - my neighborhood uses dsl, so over phone lines, ansd phone company (who supplies the dsl) has too many houses connected for the number of pairs in the cable (that work), so 1 faulty pair that works like 50% / unstable net is cycled around to all the houses, when someone complains, cycle to next house, every 5-6 months cycle restarts lol
<stratochief>
errr. fuel cells into crew support, the rest into material science?
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<stratochief>
xShadowx: sounds like a better than average situation
<xShadowx>
stratochief: lol!
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<xShadowx>
stratochief: thats the only real issue we ever have with net, just that first junction box, everything past it to the isp works fine
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<xShadowx>
though our speed is kinda screwed, they say we get 'up to' 10mb, but only get 5 in reality :(
<stratochief>
yep. most problems are in home wiring, followed by the next step (neighbourhood infrastructure) beyond that, the one off issues where Jethro cuts a major fibre backbone, affecting millions of people
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<Agathorn>
wow that lamont spam is getting serious
<stratochief>
xShadowx: wired, or wireless? ever test it direct connected to the router, safe mode?
<Pap>
Also, when you get a modem / router that is provided by your ISP, it sucks compared to buying your own
* stratochief
kicks into his script from many moons ago
<xShadowx>
1/2 that is our distance, 1/2 is them, 4 houses down (who run on a diff junction box) get 8mb and theyre slightly more distance than us
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<stratochief>
Pap: eh, double edged sword most customers are just happy to know they can call their ISP for support, and I'm happy to know that I have access to all the logs
<stratochief>
sooo many people own their own 'better' router, and don't know a god damn thing about it. "fraid I can't help you with your third party router, jethro"
<xShadowx>
stratochief: i only use wired straight to router, wireless id accept tv / printer, but primarily use pc to stream anyways ;p
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<Pap>
true stratochief I know most people have no idea what they are doing, that is why Geek Squad exists sadly
<xShadowx>
and ya bought my own router ;p
<xShadowx>
router def supports everything fine <3
<xShadowx>
i wanted 1gb lan and we needed wifi, so bought one
<Pap>
Agathorn: crazy question for you about TF...
<stratochief>
xShadowx: still worth it to try a direct modem connection, to ensure it isn't a funky driver or strange setting. hell, could even be a sub-par ethernet cable somewhere
<Pap>
With SSTU, you can cluster your engines, so you can have say 5 F-1's, but it is only one part. Any way to have TF read that?
<xShadowx>
stratochief: pc > modem > wall? it is :P
<stratochief>
Pap: no, as it doesn't advertise itself as anything other than a single engine part.
<Pap>
got it, that is what I thought as well
<stratochief>
xShadowx: pc > router > modem > wall
<xShadowx>
router = router + modem :P
<xShadowx>
i dont think even my isp has used seperate ones (atleast around here) in like 10 years heh
<Agathorn>
Pap: no that is one of the main problems TF always had with SSTU in the past
<stratochief>
xShadowx: ahh, combo unit. fair enough. still, may be worth trying a different ethernet cable, or a different port on modem/router. otherwise, you're getting screwed by your company
<Agathorn>
I had some crazy complicated ieas on custom code to handle it but that never saw the light of day
<xShadowx>
stratochief: we already know its the company ;p some hardware at the junction is a bit dated
<stratochief>
xShadowx: ahh. shitty, no alternatives available?
<xShadowx>
stratochief: comcast but i try to avoid em ahah
<Agathorn>
in the US most ISP/Cable Companies have a near monopoly..its disgusting
<Agathorn>
not like here in Canada where I think there are like 5 different companies I could get my internet from
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<Pap>
Don't worry Agathorn, the FCC is killing Net Neutrality, so that will make things better (said no one ever)
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<stratochief>
Pap: when did you last send a paper letter to your rep on the issue? the last time you called?
<Agathorn>
yeah thats why the whole net neutrality thing is so important in the US IMHO.. because it just gives them one more way to screw over customers when they have no competition
<xShadowx>
1) internet speed is shared to entire neighborhood 2) cable is bad for games, higher speed but higher packet loss, overall ya you get a lot more bandwidth from the speed and brute force through error packets but its worse on ping due to it
<Agathorn>
in a proper market regulation wouldn't really be needed because competition will out
<Pap>
stratochief: I did not do either, I did it through the internet, but I guess that just makes me a faceless internet user
<Agathorn>
but in a market with little to no competition, it doesn't work - that's why regulation is needed
<stratochief>
Pap: on an issue you vaguely care about, through the internet is good enough. if you actually care, IMO you've got to at least call or send a paper letter
<Pap>
That is a good point
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<xShadowx>
stratochief coud just kick the poor kid :P
<stratochief>
Agathorn: canada is forcing your local monopoly to allow their service to be re-sold. ok, but still not ideal. even built up areas are a duopoly of the phone provider and cable company
* xShadowx
is just saying isn't bothered
<stratochief>
xShadowx: I wasn't sure if that would work. *shrug*
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<xShadowx>
stratochief: only if he doesnt use autojoin, and you hit him before his pc gets the accual d/c (long before irc kicks)
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<Pap>
stratochief: what is a better option though? I am seriously asking. Who should front the costs for the infrastructure required for Internet?
<xShadowx>
people, to a non profit company ;p
<rsparkyc>
evening everyone
<rsparkyc>
bye lamont_
<Pap>
Hi rsparkyc
<stratochief>
Pap: whoever wants to, whether it be a corporation, municipality, non-profit. lots of areas don't allow citizens to build/buy their own network because of monopoly contract fun.
<rsparkyc>
#kspmodding is full of nothing but lamont_ signon/signoffs
<lamont_>
lol
<rsparkyc>
with a brief name change for NathanKell|AFK
<rsparkyc>
oh, wow, you're here
<lamont_>
yeah
<rsparkyc>
for now...
<lamont_>
must be gogo
<rsparkyc>
LOL
<rsparkyc>
you flying?
<xShadowx>
we accually didnt ping him til just now :P
<lamont_>
yeah
<xShadowx>
surprising
<rsparkyc>
i thought someone did a while back
<xShadowx>
lets count how many cell towers he flew over! :P
<stratochief>
utility monopoly shenanigans mean only one cable company can build a network, only one phone company. open that shit up, no monopoly license, no anti-competition. lets bust some Trusts!
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<xShadowx>
bye :
<xShadowx>
:|
<rsparkyc>
stratochief actually mentioned both names:
<Pap>
This is the real reason they tell you to turn your phones off on planes
<lamont_>
gogo is such a steaming pile
<rsparkyc>
lol
<Agathorn>
kicking him work since he obviously has autojoin on, or else he wouldn't keep coming back as it is
<lamont_>
hopefully SpaceX puts them out of business
<Agathorn>
bahg
<Agathorn>
mean to say wouldn' th ave worked
<Agathorn>
anyway
<lamont_>
heh, well, i need to get back to work-work, so i’ll log off
<Agathorn>
actually you SHOULD turn your phone on on planes if you valuie your battery
<lamont_>
and it seems it doesn’t matter if i’m on, it just kicks me every couple minutes anyway
<stratochief>
lamont_: If SpaceX is even allowed to sell. Remember how much trouble they had just trying to sell cars, outside of the auto-dealer monopoly?
<Agathorn>
when it can't find a tower the phoen kicks into a max power mode and searches, and searches, and searches wasting your battery and overheatign the device
<lamont_>
if they’ve got satellites up there i think it’ll happen
<lamont_>
anyway
<stratochief>
lamont_: only because Musk has a big team of lawyers and would be willing to fight, like he did with car sales
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<xShadowx>
Agathorn: depends client, most auto join to recover from d/c yes, but not always / is optional to autojoin after kick
<rsparkyc>
Starwaster: i updated that ticket about the procedural SRB's nozzle acting weird
<rsparkyc>
in InitializeBells(), we get the Transform object for SRBBell
<rsparkyc>
and somehow, that objects position property is all out of whack
<rsparkyc>
it doesn't seem to happen every time though
<Starwaster>
is its position changed anywhere?
<rsparkyc>
not before then
<rsparkyc>
at least not what i can see
<rsparkyc>
i'm trying some delayed loading right now to see if that helps
<rsparkyc>
perhaps doing initialization during OnStartFinished would be better
<rsparkyc>
yeah, i see that value being way off OnStart, but not OnStartFinished
<rsparkyc>
Starwaster: do you anticipate any problems delaying initialization till then?
<Starwaster>
I'll have to think on that
<Starwaster>
but, if it's getting munged in OnStart() then it's usually because something threw before OnStart could initialize
<Starwaster>
errr I mean get called
<rsparkyc>
yeah, i don't know much about the lifecycle of some of these calls, but i'll play around locally with putting that on OnStartFinished and see if i see any problems
<rsparkyc>
i'll also update the bug ticket with my findings just to track it
<rsparkyc>
updated. 1:15 am over here, i'm heading off to bed
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<NathanKell>
o/
<NathanKell>
and, uh, o/ rsparkyc
<NathanKell>
So apparently you also have strato's skill of predicting my appearance by going to bed :P
<Starwaster>
rsparkyc I forget, was a procedural part the root of the vessel that you see the nozzle issue on?
<Starwaster>
uhm crap, I didnt see he was going to bed
<rsparkyc>
no
<rsparkyc>
and hello
<rsparkyc>
and goodnight
<rsparkyc>
and who in their right mind would make a procedural the root part?
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<Starwaster>
some people do
<Starwaster>
and it fux shit up
<Starwaster>
NathanKell, have you seen what I've done with Kerbals lately?
<Starwaster>
tough outer shell of a space suit... squishy on the inside
<NathanKell>
Man, glad I cfg'd them, despite it being....rather unfun to rewrite chunks of GameDatabase to allow it. :D
<NathanKell>
Kerbcandy!
<Starwaster>
I might have to do something about giving them some lightweight cooling... maybe even as an upgrade so people could still do those venus missions
<Starwaster>
it's still WIP though as far as the Kerbals go but I wanted them to be more delicate
<Starwaster>
you might also have noticed the reference to operational temps: Basically the 0.85 * maxTemp is no longer hard coded
<NathanKell>
I did, yeah
<NathanKell>
Very nice :)
<Starwaster>
so things start getting damaged at when they reach their operational temps
<Starwaster>
the only downside is that... you cant visually TELL that it's damaged
<Starwaster>
it only affects the skin and what happens is that if you have holes burned in your ship, the convection flux (if supersonic) goes right to the interior directly
<NathanKell>
We will be as well for a while I think
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<soundnfury>
aww man, I semimissed him :/
<soundnfury>
lo all
<xShadowx>
:|
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<soundnfury>
awww
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<egg|df|egg>
o/ stratochief
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<egg>
<stratochief> egg|zzz|egg: is Principia available through CKAN? otherwise, Suggested/Recommend/etc doesn't mean a ton. also, I haven't personally tried out Principia in RSS yet, I'm still trying to get my footing in stock with it << no principia on ckan (no principia on mac right now, so probably don't want it ckanned), but suggest/recommend etc. does mean something to people who actually read the forum thread when installing
<Starwaster>
Sarbian: Is it possible to determine from the turn shape (MJ's ascent profile editor) either degrees per second or downrange at the end of the turn?
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<JeeF>
was under 3m/s
<JeeF>
By the size of the wheel and the degree of the ramp shouldn't be a problem
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<JeeF>
But hey, since when does KSP ever behave like we'd expect in real life?
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<JeeF>
I'm thinking about getting rid of that nose cargo entrance and using the one on the back which already comes with a ramp
<JeeF>
Its just sad... every time I have an idea, I come to KSP and it somehow goes horribly wrong
<JeeF>
The only thing that seems to always work flawlessly are rockets going straight up
<JeeF>
Trying to get fancy? no-no
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<Agathorn>
even rockets going straight up don't work flawlessley :)
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<Agathorn>
maybe when you open that nose or lowere the ramp, the collider isn't adjusting?
<stratochief>
Pap: ahh, I didn't see that.
<Qboid>
stratochief: Pap left a message for you in #RO [27.05.2017 15:21:25]: "I don't know if you saw, but KCT got a 1.2 release"
<Agathorn>
wasn't there a way to visualize colliders?
<stratochief>
has anybody tried to install and play RO from CKAN alone yet?
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<Agathorn>
some I think..not many people are able to compile the tree so it makes getting testers hard
<Agathorn>
we really should cut pre-release releases on GitHub for that purpoose
<Sarbian>
Starwaster: with the FlightRecorder export and I think there is something in the custom info that does it to
<stratochief>
Agathorn: the tree?
<Agathorn>
stratochief: RP-0 compiles the tech tree automatically as part of the travis build.. so if you just download the source from GitHub you don't have a working tech tree.. you have to compile it manualy which is eyond a lot of users
<Agathorn>
But if we cut a "pre-release" on GitHub, CKAN will ignore it but Travis will still do its bit and compile a proper release with a compiled tech tree
<Agathorn>
to th ebest of my knowledge though that was never done, so the tree was an issue for a lot of people trying to test it out
<stratochief>
Agathorn: I asked about RO; but you're talking about RP-0. That is the root of my confusion
<Agathorn>
i'll be in that corner over there
<stratochief>
are there any mods required for RP-0 that aren't already on CKAN/full releases?
<Agathorn>
oh now you talk about RP-0 :p pretty sure KCT was the last
<stratochief>
I still haven't had a chance to try out the new tech tree or contracts for RP-0, but some others have. I've heard lots of good feedback about the new contracts, but ideally I'd still like to look at the contracts myself before merging them in for a release
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<stratochief>
Agathorn: I am uncertain if making an RP-0 pre-release would result in a built of the tree. I vaguely remember trying that at some point in the past, and the tree not building, or a .zip not being made or something
<Agathorn>
it will..or well it should
<Agathorn>
was this time you tried it a long time ago?
<Agathorn>
it used to be that travis didn't porocess pre-releases but it does now
<stratochief>
for some values of 'long time ago', yes, for others, no
<stratochief>
I mean, hell, it has been around a year since RP-0 had a release
<lamont>
why not just cut a release of RP-0?
<stratochief>
lamont: ... because it is untested against the current state of the other mods it would be working with and relying on?
<stratochief>
also, there are plenty of PRs that should be tested and included in a release, such as all the new contracts
<stratochief>
i won't subject people to things I haven't tried out myself and found adequate :P
<Agathorn>
That's a lot to put on your shoulders personally
<Agathorn>
I would suggest trusting NathanKell and Pap with the new contracts and when they are ready to go
<stratochief>
well, I'm not the only one with the ability to roll releases. I interpretted lamont's question as "stratochief, why don't you cut a release of RP-0?"
<Agathorn>
ah fair enough.. I get you.. youi personally won't cut a rlease you personally haven't tested. Sounds fair
<stratochief>
I would definitely trust NathanKell|AWAY, Pap, rsparkyc, etc. to roll a release, if they wanted to
<stratochief>
yeah, exactly. the weight of other people who've tested the new contracts and given good and useful feedback makes me more comfortable. for example, i won't demand that I test every nook and cranny of the contracts personally before merging them. but I should at the very least install and try some of them myself :P
<stratochief>
plus, give the code for them all a review
<stratochief>
I just haven't had the time yet, unfortunately. But I did find the time to make an RO release, so we've got that going for us :)
<stratochief>
I figure NK wouldve gotten around to making an RO release this weekend himself, plus minus, but I'm glad I was able to beat him to it
<Agathorn>
lol
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<stratochief>
leftover pizza?
<egg>
oh hey stratochief you're here
<Agathorn|Food>
naw thats for lunch
<stratochief>
egg: hiya. yeah, I read you in the backchat
<Agathorn|Food>
i'm not THAT bad
<egg>
!wpn stratochief
* Qboid
gives stratochief an abstract expansion
<stratochief>
I remembered that my bacon/onion/cheddar pizza was actually baked ham, not bacon. IMO, better because bacon is pretty fatty/greasy
<stratochief>
egg: yeah, I see what you mean. I'd still be more comfortable with recommending Principia for RO after someone I rate a "competent RO player" like NathanKell, rsparkyc, or any of the regulars here can succeed at a flyby of a planet
<stratochief>
I was just asking about if Principia was on CKAN or not, I wasn't implying that it must be in order to be Recommended
<egg>
stratochief: so in terms of outstanding bugs, we have principia#1402 known, with a workaround and will be fixed in the next release, and principia#1404 which I have to reproduce (should be easy enough, and I think I know the sort of bug it is)
<Qboid>
[#1404] title: Spurious acceleration with quick-save/quick-load | When quick-loading in atmospheric flight, the vessel speed increases by the planet surface rotation speed. For instance, flying at 100 m/s, quick-save, quick-load, the speed is now 300 m/s. | https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/principia/issues/1404
<stratochief>
egg: good to know. perhaps I should try a rendesvous/docking with pricipia first, since I'm not doing so well with flyby :)
<lamont>
stratochief: i was using RP0 fine with all the recommended prereleases, didn’t hit anything game-breaking
<egg>
stratochief: well it is good to bear in mind that for all intents and porpoises you are relearning the whole thing
<egg>
aside from the "getting to orbit" part
<egg>
stratochief: so start with easier things (going to the Mun, or to the Moon perhaps), then try your hand at interplanetary stuff (which is doable, you just need to know when the windows are)
<egg>
lamont: good to hear!
<stratochief>
egg: I've done a goodly bit of Principia stuff with the Mun and Moon now. explored some L points
<egg>
wheee \o/
<stratochief>
lamont: have you tried the contracts in RP0#653 ? Highly recommended.
<egg>
lamont: at some point we should try to synchronize on the Mac stuff
<egg>
lamont: it might not be entirely practical to have the mac release come out at the same time as our release though, since there's little time left after we cut the release
<egg>
lamont: maybe you could release it on new moons? or first quarters if you're fast?
<lamont>
hahahaha
<lamont>
well i need to clean up the patch i’ve got and submit it
<egg>
yeah that would be a good idea
<egg>
but in any case we just can't make the mac build, even if it does build on mac
<egg>
so there would have to be some delay
<lamont>
also now that i ressurrected my laptop i can try to get it to build on 10.12 or whatever the latest is (i’m still a release behind on my hackintosh because upgrading it terrifies me)
<lamont>
travis actually has mac testers if that helps
<egg>
yeah, but we're not using travis
<lamont>
ah well then
<lamont>
stratocheif: no, i just tested master — it works as well as it worked for 1.1.3
<egg>
in fact we don't have linux continuous integration even at this time (we should, eventually)
<egg>
also we probably want postsubmit tests for the slower tests
<lamont>
did you just do a new release?
<egg>
lamont: Catalan, yup
<egg>
moves some bugs around :-p
<egg>
no user-facing features
<lamont>
releases always do
<lamont>
you need to upgrade your /title then ;)
<egg>
aaah yes
<lamont>
okay, well, i have some sportsball to go watch with the ‘rents
<lamont>
i’ll look at making a build later today/tonight probably
<egg>
sounds good!
<lamont>
(just got back from work conference all week, so i’m jonesing for KSP a bit as well)
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<Agathorn>
anyone know if sublime can diff?
<Agathorn>
nvm
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<CobaltWolf>
howdy
<stratochief>
o/ TungstenHound
<xShadowx>
cats rule and dogs drool :P
<stratochief>
in theory, if Mars had an active enough biosphere in the distant past, it could have fossil fuels
<Probus>
o/ CobaltWolf
<xShadowx>
we still didnt figure out if life ever existed there yet though :(
<stratochief>
thats 'cause we keep sending dinky landers, and not true scotsmen
<xShadowx>
^
<stratochief>
if Viking longships started descending to the Martian surface, we'd know before the next bloodmoon whether or not it bears life
<xShadowx>
need to cut military crap, stop policing the world, and advance the human race
<stratochief>
policing the world is a worthy cause. but military interventionism today is more like SWATing a residential home and killing a good chunk of the inhabitants and declaring "Mission Accomplished"
<stratochief>
don't need an epic nuclear arsenal, carrier fleet, or tank army to 'keep the peace'
<acc>
policing the world sounds simple, but isn't. policing depends on what's wrong and what's right. and people tend to have different oppinions about wrong and right
<stratochief>
but you don't really need big cuts to other things in order to explore the solar system. for what it cost to make and operate the ISS, Mars Direct could have been more than carrier out
<xShadowx>
the carriers are ok its what gives us our power (outside of nukes), what we dont need is constant research into weapons when the so-called enemy is using horses and RPGs and IEDs :P
<acc>
I definetly would cut military to zero and fund only in science and prevention of catastrophes :)
<xShadowx>
nobody can beat our current jets - why do we need bigger/better jets replacing em?
<stratochief>
acc: agreed. it isn't simple, but doing it right doesn't have to be crazy-expensive either. toppling governments and eliminating the existing moving parts of civil society in far of lands hasn't been positive
<stratochief>
xShadowx: exactly. also, don't need as many of them, or carriers to large and expensive
<Probus>
That's just Naive.
<acc>
aye
<stratochief>
there is a lot of room between "zero funding" and "so big and corrupt that a trillion dollars just disappears from the Pentagon"...
<stratochief>
Probus: and a lot of people just said a lot of things, you'll have to be mores specific about what was Naive :P
<xShadowx>
stratochief i woudnt drop the ISS though, it does do science :P and if anything imo should be bigger to use as a platform to going to other bodies
<Probus>
Cutting defense to zero.
<stratochief>
xShadowx: ISS isn't taking is anywhere. it keeps trying to fall int the atmo :P
<Probus>
Defense should be cut in many places, that I agree with.
<stratochief>
not all space knowledge is transferable. the LS systems on the ISS are heavy and require lots of repair. not terribly useful hardware to study for going beyond LEO
<xShadowx>
stratochief thats just b/c nobody funds space enough ;p
<xShadowx>
studying LS systems can be done on planet, experiments that need constant zero g cannot :P
<stratochief>
xShadowx: but given what funds existed for human spaceflight, the ISS was a serious waste IMO. only successful as a demonstration of international collab, which arguably could have been assembled to go to Mars or the Moon instead
<acc>
Probus: if it where defense, fine. but it is always for attacking, to make some sort of profit
<stratochief>
xShadowx: yeah, I agree that there is lots of worthwhile Zero-G science. I think it could have been delayed, or done in a cheaper or smaller scale than ISS
<stratochief>
acc: no profit, no profit :P
<acc>
heh
<acc>
s/where/were/
<Qboid>
acc meant to say: Probus: if it were defense, fine. but it is always for attacking, to make some sort of profit
<xShadowx>
the best defense is invading + kicking the other guy when hes done, we've done that, nobody left to fight, military just keeps claiming there is to keep it strong with big sticks :P
<stratochief>
IMO, partial G experiments are more worthwhile for planning trips beyond LEO. we previously knew that zero-G wasn't great for people, but we spent tens of billions studying exactly how bad a bad thing is, rather than figuring out how to avoid it
<xShadowx>
s/done/down
<Qboid>
xShadowx meant to say: the best defense is invading + kicking the other guy when hes down, we've done that, nobody left to fight, military just keeps claiming there is to keep it strong with big sticks :P
<acc>
so it's fine to kill someone on the street if you suspect him to be a rober? 'cause just defending in advance! :D
<stratochief>
acc: sometimes, some people. for example, holding a stronger presence, arresting or killing some people pre-Rwandan genocide would have been a net good
<acc>
yeah, but to do it that way you would need to know the future. but we don't have that skill (yet?) :D
<xShadowx>
robber? nah, walking around with RPGs in backpack? i mean what you gonna make a trophy on the mantle with it? theres a reason civilian ships dont paint with battleship grey ;p
<stratochief>
you predict the future everytime you try to stop a cup from falling off a table
<Probus>
The world is a very dangerous place with many dangerous regimes. The military is slowly changing to deal with that type of threat, but most of our weapons are massive overkill right now.
<acc>
stratochief: yeah, but that's another scale. no life depends on that action
<Probus>
And I definitely don't want to play fair in a war.
<stratochief>
acc: safety systems on a falling elevator then, or attempting to stop it while falling. nobody is dead yet, but we know what happens next.
<acc>
Probus: yeah, especially that regimes who think they have to right to police the world and started most of that wars
<acc>
the right
<stratochief>
nobody imports an arsenel of small arms or machettes for good. also, military force can be used to police, I agree that in general killing prior to the committing of a crime should be avoided in the vast majority of cases
<Probus>
Started which wars acc? Iraq and Afghanistan?
<acc>
as example, yes
<Probus>
Most wars we have been in is because we have been dragged into them.
<xShadowx>
i was...unlucky?...enough to see a car bombing from a block away once, the guy blended in with the crowd, unseen, killing his own country-mates (a mini bus with some kids), when people like that just blend into the crowds and go unseen until the last moments, ya you need stricter policing
<acc>
Probus: yeah, because the industry of your country depend on it, like mine too
<acc>
there has to be always a enemy
<stratochief>
sell the saudis billions in arms; surely nothing bad could come of this
<xShadowx>
^
<acc>
yep
<Probus>
Ha! stratochief. I bet you are right
<acc>
Äcause they're ur friends. because reasons
<Pap>
I cannot tag on this mobile app stratochief and agathorn, but from the testing done, the trick changes tree should absolutely not be included in a release of RP-0. After talking with NK and others, it is going to get a rebuild. The contracts however are all good to go. There might be others at the very end that are not tested enough, but otherwise, they work really well.
<stratochief>
Pap: that was my understanding as well. *upthumbs*
<Pap>
The one question I have is about payouts. How much should a contract to geosynchronous pay? And how much to Middle Earth Orbit?
<stratochief>
Pap: good question. that will be strongly correlated to what it costs to carry out the mission.we should probably ask NK if there is a (cost + N%) rubrick we can use for pricing new contracts, at least to start. prices can be changed later
<acc>
the actual payouts on such contracts seems fine to me
<acc>
s/actual/current/
<Qboid>
acc meant to say: the current payouts on such contracts seems fine to me
<xShadowx>
to be fair, if we dont sell em guns, they buy from elsewhere anyways :P soviet rifles are still fairly common trade
<stratochief>
xShadowx: 1. stop selling guns to baddies. 2. sanction those who sells arms to baddies
<xShadowx>
if you can catch em :P
<Probus>
That FASA Gemini lander engine needs to be nerfed.
<acc>
xShadowx: easy, go to the next government and simply arrest all, after that you get the heads of the industries
<stratochief>
Probus: how so? ISP too high? too many restarts? not heavy enough? too cheap?
<acc>
that's like half way to world peace
<SirKeplan>
IIRC it had a rather high TWR?
<stratochief>
xShadowx: we don't catch all tax evaders, or murderers, or any class of crime. fear of being caught and the reprisal must be sufficient
<Pap>
Acc, I felt like some of them were just not worth it, but maybe I am wrong. I was making about 5M per contract. Then again, I try to make some pretty satellites that are pretty badly too expensive
<Probus>
Too many restarts stratochief. Also has a deep throttling ability.
<acc>
Pap: ah, ok
<stratochief>
acc: you're the country that sent Marx (or Lenin?) to Russia, started the whole decline of civilization! :P
<xShadowx>
stratochief 1) catch gun dealer 2) take gun 3) shoot gun dealer with said gun :P
<stratochief>
Probus: suggest a higher price as a PR on the RP-0 repo then? make a guess, start a conversation there
<acc>
stratochief: no, thats communism. but the problem is captisalism :D
<Probus>
OK
<xShadowx>
north korea claims to be crime free - due to their system of you commit a crime, and not only you but 3 generations of your family get punished lol o.o
<stratochief>
Probus: thanks :)
<stratochief>
xShadowx: they also claim to be democratic. NK says a lot of shit
<xShadowx>
but then again they also claim to have cure for aids, cancer, shortness, etc :P
<stratochief>
acc: you'll pry capitalism from my cold dead hands :P
<xShadowx>
stratochief: i purposely spelt name to avoid saying NK as it seems misdirecting :P
<stratochief>
eh, everybody deserves some odd random pings when they set up so many ping words. the world can't be binary
<acc>
stratochief: and what if I sell you out? :D
<stratochief>
acc: then I'll need to make more friends, and pool our wealth to beat you!
<acc>
"stop being a capitalist, I'll pay you"
<acc>
heh yeah
<xShadowx>
well NK is considered to be shorthand for his full name, those 2 id consider legit pings, rest prolly not :P
<stratochief>
I wonder if he set up a ping on KathanNell. what is what I used to avoid pings for a time
<xShadowx>
we (you and i) tested that just before the exodus, i forget the results though, i mispelled it like that for same reasons
<acc>
btw who's up for a channel to talk about such stuff? I always feel bad to talk about non rocket-related stuff here. but I would enjoy to do so
<xShadowx>
irc logs that far back on old pc, cant use np++ to check em XD
<stratochief>
acc: get your ass to #Mars
<stratochief>
at least, I squatted on that channel a few days ago, and I'm the only one there
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<Agathorn>
Rabbit holes. Rabbit holes everywhere!
<Agathorn>
I just wasted 3 hours because of how Unity rebuilds the csproj files. It was stripping out my linter. I didn't NEED to fix it now but it was bothering me so yeah I did. Damned rabbit holes.
<Agathorn>
Learned some stuff though which is always cool :D
<acc>
Agathorn: have you seen alice down there? :D
<Agathorn>
:)
<stratochief|away>
welcome back to the surface Agathorn
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<xShadowx>
o/
<NathanKell>
stratochief|away: yep, glad you beat me :)
* xShadowx
pokes stratochief|away
<KevinStarwaster>
so, for Apollo, on a free return trajectory, just where would that have placed them with regards to Earth? I'm assuming that a course correction would still be required to actually put them on a capture trajectory?
<xShadowx>
hes not away hes faking it
<NathanKell>
and yes, I'm all for releasing an RP-0 without the new tree fairly soon. This weekend I want to start a 1.2.2 RP-0 playthrough with Pap's new contracts, and I need to edit the pads some
<NathanKell>
I'll try with all the PRs too
<NathanKell>
we'll see
<xShadowx>
and principia!
* xShadowx
wants to see principia streams :(
<NathanKell>
Yes, and Principia
* xShadowx
feels like hes the only one crazy enough to use it
<egg>
NathanKell: see backlog for known bugs in Catalan
<Pap>
NathanKell how much should a player make from a repeatable satellite contract to make it worth it and fun enough to not be grindy?
<egg>
NathanKell: also, Cauchy will have speed indications on Ap/Pe/approach/AN/DN markers
<NathanKell>
egg: But I don't speak Catalan!
<NathanKell>
Can you give me the known bugs in English?
<NathanKell>
Pap: Great question, really depends on the contract
<NathanKell>
I generally tried to have an advance 1.5x the expected rocket cost, and the reward at least that much
<NathanKell>
but since I build barebones I might not have the best estimate of rocket cost :]
<egg>
(for Ap Pe & closest approach, speed in the frame, for AN/DN, speed normal to the reference plane)
<NathanKell>
cool
<egg>
so if you plot in ECEF you can know your Pe speed in the surface frame (assuming no atmosphere) which should give an approximation fo reentry speed
<NathanKell>
Pap: Ok, I think I have an idea how to do the thing I was asking Sarbian about
<NathanKell>
egg: yeah!
<egg>
and of course out-of-plane speed gives you the Δv to match planes
* Sarbian
wakes up
<egg>
sarbut sarbian
<Sarbian>
Hoy egg
<egg>
Oie egg
<egg>
Goose egg
<NathanKell>
Heya :)
<Pap>
That would be great NathanKell. I didn't understand much of what you guys were trying to do, don't know if you can ELI5
<egg>
NathanKell: also we now have the real projective plane in our libs, because we're going to need our own camera projection code to do downsampling to render fewer points (and not like like hell when displaying the history)
<Probus>
o/ NathanKell
<NathanKell>
Pap: I just did (I hope) on github
<NathanKell>
well, ELI25?
<egg>
(today's episode of the all-encompassing principia libs: projections! :-p)
<NathanKell>
egg, ah :)
<NathanKell>
o/ Probus
<egg>
NathanKell: is the ELI25 aimed at me?
<NathanKell>
at Pap
<egg>
so many simultaneous conversations
<NathanKell>
I can't go below 25. It's in my contract.
* egg
is confused
<NathanKell>
[12:59] <Pap> That would be great NathanKell. I didn't understand much of what you guys were trying to do, don't know if you can ELI5
<egg>
<NathanKell> I can't go below 25. It's in my contract. << but here is what confuses me
<egg>
also that means you can't explain things to me?
<Pap>
Yes, that makes sense what you are trying to do there. If you make an example one, I can figure it out from there (most likely) and hopefully make the rest.
<NathanKell>
[12:59] <@NathanKell> Pap: I just did (I hope) on github
<NathanKell>
[12:59] <@NathanKell> well, ELI25?
<egg>
yes
<NathanKell>
Pap: Awesome :)
<NathanKell>
I'll do that today
<egg>
it confuses me
<egg>
I am confused
<NathanKell>
egg you have the mind of a bitter 45-year-old professor :P
<NathanKell>
s/professor/Parisian
<Qboid>
NathanKell meant to say: egg you have the mind of a bitter 45-year-old Parisian :P
<xShadowx>
hes been scrambled too many times ;p
<stratochief|away>
KevinStarwaster: what was your question about free return? course correction was done (shortly before Apollo 13's problems, for example) mid-coast to get a close flyby, that they then burn into a captured orbit
* Thomas
marks the day where egg got confused, instead of confusing someone else, in the calendar
<NathanKell>
Yeah, you need quite a bit of excess delta V for a close flyby to not provide too much retrograde impulse
<xShadowx>
Thomas: hah!
<NathanKell>
<3
<egg>
Thomas: no, I regularly get confused
<egg>
NathanKell: ELIB45P
<NathanKell>
He gets confused by people asking him the wrong questions
<xShadowx>
egg: whats the meaning of life?
<Thomas>
42
<NathanKell>
oh and stratochief|away, Pap, tree build is only done during release, not pre. Got hit by that before. So you give it a weird version tag (v0.0000000x) or whatever--look in the taglist to see what we've used before) that's lexically prior to all actual releases.
<NathanKell>
oh, um, Pap, do you have permissions? Lemme check
<Pap>
Thomas got the answer correct
<Pap>
I do not NathanKell
<NathanKell>
Do now :P
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<NathanKell>
Pap: RO, RP-0, and RSS
<NathanKell>
I think.
<NathanKell>
See if I did that right :P
<egg>
NathanKell: yes, and then eventually I realize that they were the wrong questions, and I confuse them back :-p
<NathanKell>
:]
<egg>
also, good to see you here again
<Probus>
Off the wall question.... Does anyone know if the proposed Gemini Lunar Lander engine was just a modified RL10?
<SirKeplan|AFK>
uhhh, isn't it hypergolic?
<Pap>
I'll check soon NathanKell, I am "technically" outside doing yard work right noe
<Probus>
Here is what I read:
<Probus>
Both cryogenic and noncryogenic propulsion systems were to be considered. The final configuration used a LOX/LH2 RL10-powered stage for the major lunar crasher stage, and N2O4/MMH storable propellants for the lunar landing and ascent stages.
<egg>
NathanKell: also why aren't you in kspacademia, you're missing out on the catpics and telescopic observations
<egg>
also whitequark
<NathanKell>
Pap: Hah
<NathanKell>
egg: :)
<stratochief|away>
egg: any telescopic observations of cats?
<NathanKell>
egg: Because I left that life behind [sadly?]
<stratochief|away>
RO now has an official release, RP-0 doesn't. when it does, it will be fairly different, but still backwards compatible (or at least, that is our goal?)
<stratochief|away>
so if you're talking campaign, I'd suggest waiting for RP-0 to release officially
<stratochief|away>
IIRC, NK wants to shuffle the buildings?
<LittleJoe>
ok, so I guess I could just do RO to get a feel for it in the meantime ;)
<stratochief|away>
yep, sounds like a plan LittleJoe. now that RO is official, you could even do an install through CKAN
<LittleJoe>
ahh, yes I see it in CKAN
<LittleJoe>
What are the craft files for?
<LittleJoe>
would any of the mods suggested by the suggested mods be required?
<LittleJoe>
or reccomended I guess
<LittleJoe>
eh, what the heck. I'll just install everything :P
<Probus>
LittleJoe, do you like to play with pre-built models or design from scratch?
<LittleJoe>
I like scratch building in Campaign
<LittleJoe>
I've never done sandbox before actually lol....
<Probus>
I rarely do it either.
<stratochief|away>
I'm moving to Sandbox soon, I think. So I can get Mars Direct done before the year is done
<LittleJoe>
cool
<LittleJoe>
I just think default KSP is too unreal... Need a different kind of challange
<LittleJoe>
ugh, so many mod choices...
<stratochief|away>
many things that work in stock won't work in RO. for example, engines rarely throttle or allow re-lights. reaction wheels basically don't exist, so you need to git gud at RCS
<LittleJoe>
I love that kind of challenge :)
<stratochief|away>
then RO should give you a good time :)
<LittleJoe>
Yeah, if only I can decide what "suggested" mods to install....
<LittleJoe>
Or should I just install the required ones?
<stratochief|away>
start with the required, if you're new to RO
<LittleJoe>
ok
<stratochief|away>
then I'd suggest considering the suggested one at a time, reading a little about them, or asking about them individually
<xShadowx>
install all the mods~
<LittleJoe>
Yeah, some of them I've seen before, but I also don't want a cluttered game...
<LittleJoe>
lol
<LittleJoe>
I tired that once....
* stratochief|away
reminds xShadowx to stay behind the fence, away from the new people :P
<LittleJoe>
added every mod I thought would be cool...
<LittleJoe>
1.5GB+ later...
* xShadowx
climbs back into cave :(
<LittleJoe>
"why can't I launch my game???"
<egg|nomz|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a restricted fibre
<xShadowx>
you can also try most of the mods 1 by 1, before RO, just to test mechanis and get a feel for what they do
* UmbralRaptor
zaps egg|nomz|egg with a low power laser with a diffuser attachment.
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<UmbralRaptor>
!choose install KSP on work laptop|Go without a computer capable of running KSP
<Qboid>
UmbralRaptor: Your options are: install KSP on work laptop, Go without a computer capable of running KSP. My choice: install KSP on work laptop
<xShadowx>
Qboid knows how life should be~
<egg|nomz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: \o/
<UmbralRaptor>
hrm
<egg|nomz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: also build principia on it
<egg|nomz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: that way you don't need to actually run KSP
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|nomz|egg: it's a mac =\
<egg|nomz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: lamont to the rescue
<egg|nomz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: we should have mac-compatibily once they upstream their patch
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<Agathorn>
Hey gang.. i'm going to try streaming a little bit while I work on this component browser UI.. never tried streaming live dev so I have absolutely no idea how this will go but figured I would give it a shot
<stratochief|away>
UmbralRaptor: yikes. even a fairly poor computer should be able to run KSP now, no? I do run KSP in a window on my laptop, but it runs nonetheless
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<UmbralRaptor>
stratochief: non-working computer is a Core2Duo E6600, ran older KSP on Windows, but got single digit FPS in 1.2.2/linux. In menus.
<UmbralRaptor>
Functional non-work computer is a Core1Duo U2500.
<UmbralRaptor>
Have fun with that.
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<egg>
UmbralRaptor: what's the problem with using your work mac
<UmbralRaptor>
Sorta hesitant to. Also, I tried it offhand at the AAS, and Principia didn't build?
<UmbralRaptor>
(work mac is some sort of recent i5. Whatever's in a 2015 macbook air)
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: so principia doesn't build at master on mac
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: but lamont has a patch to fix that, and is known to have made a Cartan build
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: so presumably it is possible to make things work on mac
<KevinStarwaster>
who the hell was zzz anyway? Did anyone known anything about him? He showed up out of nowhere.... gave us a whole bunch of cool sci-fi looking parts... and then he vanished. When does THAT ever happen outside of the movies?
<stratochief>
KevinStarwaster: probably someone from the future
<KevinStarwaster>
that.... makes sense.
<stratochief>
like my daddy told me back in 2050, "humans better get off this rock, now leave before the canibals eat you"
<egg>
??????
<egg>
zzz?
<egg>
as in <egg|zzz|egg>? or something else
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<Agathorn>
I realize in hindsight I forgot to change the name of the stream :(
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