<Agathorn>
at least not in scope for the initial push.. who knows about the future
<Agathorn>
but planes aren't as relevant in a non-sadbox game I don't think
<Agathorn>
I might look into some sort of x-plane ish program
<xShadowx>
thats what ksp tried, then figured out planes should happen, then kinda shoved it in o.O
<Agathorn>
anyway thanks for your input ferram4 and I actually somewhat understood most of what you said which is rare :)
<ferram4>
You will handle wings though. Unless you're going to not implement fins at all.
<Agathorn>
well I wasn't planning on them really having much overall effect to be honest - I mean yes I was going to have them but wasn't planning on simulating anythign with them
<Agathorn>
maybe just something basic like determing if a vehicle is stable or unstable with/without
<Agathorn>
though that was just in my head - who knows how any of it will play out once I get into the nitty gritty
<ferram4>
Look, if you do it realistic-ish? The vehicle will always be unstable.
<ferram4>
Funs will just make it less unstable.
<soundnfury>
ferram4: frustratingly, there is ₚ but no upper-case :(
<KevinStarwaster>
has anyone here using DRE (or even NOT!) had Kerbals exploding on EVA when they let go of the ladder? Recently?
<ferram4>
Unless it's something like Scout. Or WAC Corporal. Or any of those.
<Agathorn>
lol true..when I meant stable/unstable I just meant a qualifier check to determine if a designed LV is valid or not
<Agathorn>
but i'm still in the high level planning so anything I say may be totally wrong at this point
<Agathorn>
I'm still not even completely sure on how much design control the player will have
<Agathorn>
anyway i'll be offline for a bit as I head home..back later
<xShadowx>
KevinStarwaster: i did other day, just in stock, eva during re entry, nice n toasty and went eva, kerbal just "puff" disappeared ;3
<KevinStarwaster>
xshadowx that's to be expected though. THis is landed. On Kerbin
<xShadowx>
then no :D
<KevinStarwaster>
Their physics globals are stock values. DRE doesn't even DO heating anymore, not really
<KevinStarwaster>
(except that the next version will add heat into the interior if you have holes in your ship... which is going to be a thing)
<xShadowx>
adding interior as a 3rd layer?
<xShadowx>
skin temp > part temp > interior temp :)
<KevinStarwaster>
no
<KevinStarwaster>
if the outside takes enough damage then I just take the convective flux and part.AddThermalFlux(convectiveFlux)
<KevinStarwaster>
which is actually wrong
<KevinStarwaster>
so I'm going to fix that to take into account temperature deltas properly
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<KevinStarwaster>
though... really, if you're coming in at Mach 10 or so, the extra 300 points aren't going to save you if you really do have a hole burned through your hull
<KevinStarwaster>
but, you know better to be as accurate as possible
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<acc>
mhmm, all that tasty science points at moon
<acc>
taste a bit sheezy heh
<acc>
s/sh/ch/
<Qboid>
acc meant to say: taste a bit cheezy heh
<Agathorn>
ruined your own joke there
<acc>
yeah, damn
<Agathorn>
:)
<acc>
I not spell good
<Agathorn>
acc: s/spell/type^H^H^H^Henglish
<Qboid>
Agathorn thinks acc meant to say: I not type^H^H^H^Henglish good
<acc>
:D
<Agathorn>
sometimers the internet really gives you EXACTLY what you want
<Agathorn>
gazpachian: I never said anything of the sort
<jclishman>
hes testing the third stage now
<rsparkyc>
that shouldn't error out
<Agathorn>
in my mind whether it counts as a stage or a 1/2 stage depends on if the core is lit along with the boosters
<Agathorn>
but some people would argue its a full stage either way *shrug*
<soundnfury>
Agathorn: strictly speaking a half-stage is when you drop only engines, not tanks
<soundnfury>
whereas if you have parallel-staged boosters, that's typically a "zeroth stage" (cf. Delta's solids)
<soundnfury>
so I'd say semyorka-luna has three stages, numbered 0 through 2.
<Agathorn>
0th stage is just talking about numbering though not how many total
<Agathorn>
0-2 is still 3 :p
<Agathorn>
so yeah my original point though is 2 stages to the moon would be pretty damned hard
<Agathorn>
half stage craft are weird and I avoid them usually because I suck at flying an Atlas
<rsparkyc>
I bet a falcon 9 could do it if the payload was small enough
<gazpachian>
I like straight answers, and I haven't the foggiest idea how to properly calculate the optimum time to drop atlas boosters
<rsparkyc>
i mean it gets something to GTO, how much harder is the moon?
<rsparkyc>
if your just looking for a flyby/impact that is
<rsparkyc>
s/your/you're
<Qboid>
rsparkyc meant to say: if you're just looking for a flyby/impact that is
<soundnfury>
rsparkyc: right, but that's because F9 has a bitchin' mass ratio xD
<gazpachian>
rsparkyc: yeah, but that's with modern dry mass fractions
<acc>
680 m/s harder
<rsparkyc>
lol
<rsparkyc>
next sat for me to see tonight is the Helios 1b rocket
<rsparkyc>
launched Dec 3, 1999
<rsparkyc>
it passes in about 15 minutes
<acc>
telescope?
<rsparkyc>
no
<rsparkyc>
they would be way to hard for me to track by hand
<gazpachian>
I've got a few months until I get to see the night sky properly again
<rsparkyc>
you in a city?
<gazpachian>
Nah, inclination issues. :P
<rsparkyc>
how far north are you?
<gazpachian>
64 degrees
<rsparkyc>
oh heck
<gazpachian>
not quite the artic circle, but close enough for my tastes!
<rsparkyc>
are you in the middle of alaska?
<gazpachian>
No, Sweden fortunately. The Gulf Stream is a godsend
<rsparkyc>
lol
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<jclishman>
how do you get the "not sufficient avionics" window back?
<jclishman>
he closed it.
<Pap>
Exiting the VAB and going back in brings it back
<jclishman>
ty
<rsparkyc>
you're not livestreaming it?
<jclishman>
no
<rsparkyc>
aww
<jclishman>
soz
<jclishman>
would cause a house fire
<rsparkyc>
haha
<jclishman>
"Can I have four stages"
<gazpachian>
That's impossible. No one has ever had four stages.
<soundnfury>
jclishman: shift-I
<jclishman>
soundnfury: ?
<rsparkyc>
trying to insert an "apollo had 4 stages" joke without people thinking i'm not realizing gazpachian was being sarcastic, so i'll just leave it at that
<jclishman>
oh
<jclishman>
ha
<jclishman>
hes doing side boosters
<jclishman>
lmao
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<NathanKell>
@*(!%*(! Agathorn I coulda swore I _did_ donate!
<NathanKell>
Sorry bud!
<rsparkyc>
o/ NathanKell
<soundnfury>
ooh, another visitation from our Glorious Leader :)
<NathanKell>
o/
<NathanKell>
Pip pip, comrade
<Pap>
o/ NathanKell
<soundnfury>
jclishman: shift-I should bring up the avionics window
<jclishman>
oh, thanks!
<Agathorn>
rofl you actualy finally did it!
<jclishman>
soundnfury: nope :/
<NathanKell>
Agathorn: Yeah, sorry...
<NathanKell>
Like I said, coulda sworn I did then
<Agathorn>
:D thank you
<NathanKell>
welp, probably shoulda done it with interest then :P
<NathanKell>
and you're most welcome :)
<soundnfury>
jclishman: oh sorry, by shift I mean Mod, which is right-shift on Linux
<soundnfury>
it might be an alt or something elsewhere, I forget
<Pap>
ALT on Windows
<jclishman>
ctrl+shift+alt+I
<soundnfury>
^ then Alt-I
<jclishman>
lmao
<jclishman>
that did it
<jclishman>
all 4 buttons at once
<Agathorn>
ctrl+alt+del+f4
<Agathorn>
I hate JS unity code
<Agathorn>
why would anyone use it on purpose :(
<jclishman>
what he made is actually pretty cool looking
<soundnfury>
jclishman: screenshot!
<soundnfury>
pics or it didn't launch
<jclishman>
incmoing
<Agathorn>
theres a she said joke in there somewhere. I'm sure of it
<Pap>
jclishman: you have a friend playing RO for the first time?
<jclishman>
Pap: little brother
<gazpachian>
agathorn, best if you just let it hang
<Rokker>
CobaltWolf: seriously you gotta stop teasing us
<CobaltWolf>
lol
<blowfish>
what BS :D
<blowfish>
Actually I don't think I recognize those engines
<Agathorn>
ok lets try one more time
<Agathorn>
installed pparts, kw, aies, sstu, and rsb
<Agathorn>
should be good enough for now
<Pap>
Those will work nicely
<Pap>
FASA?
<Agathorn>
not at the moment no
<blowfish>
SSTU still has a lot of RO issues
<Agathorn>
I didn't feel liek spending time pruning
<CobaltWolf>
blowfish: RZ.2s. It's Blue Streak
<Pap>
blowfish: it is a lot better, acc and I have been fixing them
<Agathorn>
blowfish: more than before because when I last left it it was working pretty well for the most part
<CobaltWolf>
blowfish: hi
<blowfish>
hi!
<blowfish>
Pap: nice!
<blowfish>
Any idea of the modular SRBs are still broken?
<Pap>
blowfish: the *true* modular ones do not work, but stratochief|away made some that work as RL parts that are very configurable
<blowfish>
I submitted a few SSTU-related patches a while back but those were NRE central and it looked like the configs would probably have to be completely redone
<Pap>
Yes, that mod is so damn complex that trying to make RO configs for it is difficult
<Agathorn>
I feel like such a newb doing all the same mistakes
<Agathorn>
forgot to put prop in the tank
<Agathorn>
hmm why does mj show 0 dv
<Pap>
Wrong fuel?
<Pap>
Or is it for RCS?
<Agathorn>
I used the autofill
<Agathorn>
for aerobee
<Pap>
I don't think MJ shows RCS DV
<Agathorn>
huh needed to enable crossfeed on the tank.. so odd
<Pap>
Yes, SSTU does not have it auto enabled for surface mounted engines
<Agathorn>
but its the tank
<Agathorn>
there isn't anywhere else for the fuel to go except the engines :p
<Pap>
lol, I agree, I don't understand that one at all
<acc>
I'll look into the SRBs soon. but no idea yet what's broken there
<Pap>
acc: are we sure that they are actually broken?
<acc>
not entirely. but someone else made issue about it too
<acc>
havn't touched them yet. did liquid LVs only
<Rokker>
rsparkyc: got any ideas on how i can separate the anvil and cup on this primer
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<rsparkyc>
!tell Rokker the best way to get the anvil out is with a pair of needle nose pliers, or even just tweezers
<Qboid>
rsparkyc: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<Pap>
Good morning everyone
<HypergolicSkunk>
hey Pap
<riocrokite>
o/
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<Rokker>
rsparkyc: cool
<Qboid>
Rokker: rsparkyc left a message for you in #RO [18.05.2017 12:36:20]: "the best way to get the anvil out is with a pair of needle nose pliers, or even just tweezers"
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<Pap>
o/ CobaltWolf
<CobaltWolf>
Pap: o/
<Pap>
So I've been doing some thinking CobaltWolf...
<CobaltWolf>
that's dangerous
<Pap>
Since the number of people that play your mod is important to you (these things are important to me as well), and since you are re-texturing your parts to be stockalike, but definitely looking like the real parts...
<Pap>
I think you should change the names to the real counterparts
<Pap>
Time for a re-branding
<Pap>
Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it
<CobaltWolf>
That's already an optional config
<CobaltWolf>
idk what people want from me
<Pap>
If it was me, I would flip it so that the current names are the alternate
<CobaltWolf>
Eh
<CobaltWolf>
idk I"m just not that interested in it. Cretin made the real names config, it works fine.
<Pap>
OK, no problem, was just a thought I had
<CobaltWolf>
yeah I understand why you'd want that to be the default, I just like having it feel kerbalized by default
<Pap>
CobaltWolf: I was actually meaning for other people. It doesn't matter to me as I know how to and am comfortable with modding the files to name them what I want
<CobaltWolf>
I just feel that people that worry about things like that are probably going to favor FASA or Raidernick's stuff or RSB anyways. The 'default' of BDB caters to people that want stockalike parts. I just happen to be basing them more closely on real ones.
<CobaltWolf>
You know, I'm *CONVINCED* that Black Arrow was the British engineers trying to back-door a backup upper stage for Blue Streak in case ELDO failed
<CobaltWolf>
like, they had Blue Streak
<CobaltWolf>
they had that working
<CobaltWolf>
instead they did a Black Arrow launch campaign to get that working
<CobaltWolf>
since then they could just stick that on top of Blue Streak...
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<Agathorn>
NAFTA is how I am able to work in Canada
<CobaltWolf>
dammit that's how *I'm* trying to work in Canada...
<CobaltWolf>
I swear to god if I have to move to LA...
<Agathorn>
yeah thats my sentiments
<Agathorn>
I hate LA
<xShadowx>
work over interwebs?;3
<CobaltWolf>
I'm just kinda hoping to find... work
* xShadowx
enjoys not having to drive 600 miles to work
<CobaltWolf>
i had two recruiters email me about Instructional Designer stuff because I did contract work for Comcast for that last summer
<CobaltWolf>
but... I don't really want to do that I think? You're basically making powerpoints with the occasional mograph
<CobaltWolf>
and I don't think i can sell myself on those skills
<Agathorn>
xShadowx: dosn't really happen in our industry
<CobaltWolf>
I'm scared of being a freelancer. The thought of having to directly interface with a client, having to be the one with all the answers...
<Agathorn>
most studios dont' even have an internet connection due to MPAA security
<Agathorn>
big studios anyway..smaller ones are different
<xShadowx>
MPAA needs to die ;p
<Agathorn>
people stealing and leaking videos need to die
<Agathorn>
they are the reason why security keeps getting tighter
<CobaltWolf>
fair
<Agathorn>
the leak of wolverine years ago was a big one
<Agathorn>
peopel think its all innocent and very socialist but it seriously costs jobs
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<Agathorn>
so starsrider just opened a crapload of issues on TestFlight
<Agathorn>
ug
<xShadowx>
most of the world is perfectly fine paying to view content online, yet it still goes to theaters for months before online access, and worse, every country releases at different dates, up to months apart, you want peole to quit throwing up on torrents get rid of the bullshit forcing people to wait months just to sit by a fat dude with nachos or a screaming kid
<Agathorn>
anyone know if Starstrider42 on GitHub is someone here on IRC?
<Agathorn>
xShadowx: if you notice international and domestic release dats are a lot closer now then they used to be specifically for that reason
<xShadowx>
saw the name in kspmodders once long ago
<Agathorn>
but there are good reasons they don't exactly line up
<xShadowx>
Agathorn: and those reasons still cause the issue
<xShadowx>
and its still months before online access
<Agathorn>
it isn't as simple as just picking one day to release world wide..there is a lot more that goes into it and only a portion of that has to do with profit, its mostly adminstration and local issues
<CobaltWolf>
Agathorn: I've definitely watched my fair share of streams over the years, but I'll say anything good about the MPAA if it helps me get work :P
<Agathorn>
well we aren't going to close theaters :)
<Agathorn>
and I for one would be very sad if they did
<xShadowx>
thats exactly it, MPAA keeps away from online access to rake in theater profits
<xShadowx>
theaters would die if it switched to online access
<Agathorn>
which would suck
<xShadowx>
not to me, i wouldnt wait months to see a movie
<Agathorn>
well good for you but I for one would hate it.. I enjoy seeing certain movies in a theater
<Agathorn>
and I would be really upset if they died
<xShadowx>
i dont touch threaters i used to go monthly, but every damn time, fat dude with nachos, or screaming baby
<xShadowx>
the only thing id risk the bad experience for is the new avatar movies if they ever get made XD
<Agathorn>
on the sucject of KSP.. Anyone aware of changes made to module loading in 1.2?
<Qboid>
[#162] title: Order matters for TF PartModules | The functionality of R&D depends on the order in which PartModules are defined for a part.... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/TestFlight/issues/162
<Agathorn>
stupid bot
<xShadowx>
you can buy projectors for cheap now, and turn room into theater :D no noisy kids
<CobaltWolf>
soo... Agathorn can I PM you a Nuke question?
<stratochief|away>
Agathorn: CobaltWolf just become full citizens; track down a beaver and drink your weight in maple syrup
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<xShadowx>
XD
<Agathorn>
stratochief|remote: canada makes it pretty hard to even get PR let alone citizenship
<Agathorn>
PR = perminant residence..simiilar to a green card
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: socialism is helping out your fellow man. throwing private property into the public sphere with no law or consent is shitty communism
<Agathorn>
but people do these things because they think they are helping out their fellow man :
<Agathorn>
:)
<Agathorn>
IMHO
<xShadowx>
afaik partmodules update in the order defined in cfg (which that issue suggests is true), awake > load > start, and not changed
<Agathorn>
it seems to be this rising sentiment of "the common people" versus the "1%" - which is so total bullshit but the brainwashing continues
<stratochief|remote>
sure; but the actor themself is a fucktard. if we judge their actions from a sane mind, they are committing shitty communism, not socialism
<Agathorn>
xShadowx: in the past the order of modules ws never guarunteed really
<Agathorn>
thing is though since order wasn't guarunteed before I thought my code was designed to work in any order
<xShadowx>
i thought that was always the case :|
<Agathorn>
guess I will need to look at it again
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: yeah, the beaurocratic/administrative/paperwork barrier is too high for both green cards and PR, IMO. this is why NAFTA labor transfer is a good thing, although alternatives could be created, and NAFTA labour could be modified to the benefit of both nations and most workers
<Agathorn>
stratochief|remote: you canadian?
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: yep yep
<Agathorn>
ahh cool
<Agathorn>
IMHO the problem is the points system for PR
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<xShadowx>
you couldnt tell from the maple syrup comment?;p
<Agathorn>
before you can even be allowed to apply you have to have enough points, and they basically penalize me for my age
<stratochief|remote>
the maple syrup stereotype can be stated about canada from any non-canadian
<Agathorn>
which should be illegal IMHO but whatever
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<Agathorn>
Vermont Maple syrup is far better anyway
<Agathorn>
I've tried the Maple Syrup here in Vancouver and it pales in comparison to what I grew up with :D
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: your age? what, are you too young or too old? I know nothing about the PR system, since I was born in a wheat field
<Agathorn>
too old
<Agathorn>
basically you gets points for various things and the younger you are the more points you get
<stratochief|remote>
there are lots of types of maple syrup. different grades, different blends for different uses. and vancouver is about as far from maple syrup as you can get, other than the deep arctic
<Agathorn>
so because I am older I lose potential points
<xShadowx>
Agathorn: you're in vancouver? BC? you're not far :D p.s. you guys suck for stealing out space needle concept
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: shitty. you should gain bonus points for speaking english, already having demo'd employment here, and not dragging a big non-english speaking family along with you
<Agathorn>
well you HAVE to speak English or French or yuo can't even apply.. I do get points for the other things though
<Agathorn>
though I was highly annoyed to find that not only do I have to actually take a $250 English test to prove I speak english, even though it is my only language, but that test only lasts 2 years so now when I apply again I have to take it all over again. Like i'm goign to forget how to speak the only language I know?
<stratochief|remote>
*good english. native speakers should get a bump
<Agathorn>
I don't know how so many chinese people who barely speak english get in
<Agathorn>
just here in Van half the city seems to be people from China that barely speak english
<xShadowx>
:)
<stratochief|remote>
damn. gotta love the mile wide holes and barriers in a beaurocratic net. If: native language == english, then bypass language proof
<Agathorn>
I'm actually trying to learn french now so that maybe I can learn enough to get dual linga points :)
<Agathorn>
thought its a long shot
<Agathorn>
though*
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: I don't think it is a racist statement. it is fairly obvious that speaks english vs doesn't speak english is more complex than a binary choice/test
<stratochief|remote>
of course, we could both be wrong :P
<Sigma88>
stratochief|remote: you pinged me
<Sigma88>
:)
<Agathorn>
lol
<Sigma88>
"binary" pings me
<Agathorn>
yo need to curae your triggers
<Agathorn>
and I need to stop trying to type with one hand half a desk away
<xShadowx>
i tried TTS to avoid typing, not great results yet :|
<Sigma88>
:)
<xShadowx>
er not STT ;3
<Agathorn>
not great accuracy plus I find that the time it takes for me to think and then speak is actually slowert than the time it takes to think and type
<Agathorn>
plus my thoughts seem to get altered by the need to verbalize
<xShadowx>
i did try TTS giving every name in irc a diff voice though
<Agathorn>
oh right misread your statement
<Agathorn>
dictation is a great idea
<Agathorn>
it just seems to mess with my thoughts somehow
<Agathorn>
its actually kind of fascinating but the need to verbalize my thoughts indeed alters them from if i was just to type them
<xShadowx>
i love fedex
<xShadowx>
my package is 3 miles away
<xShadowx>
eta to delivery next tuesday
<xShadowx>
"can i drive over and pick it up?" "sorry we dont allow that"
<xShadowx>
"can you have it routed to a fedex pickup location 1 mile away?" "sorry its in transit to its final destination already"
<stratochief|remote>
Sigma88: you pinged yourself by making binary a ping word for yourself
<xShadowx>
"but it's at this facility now, so you're saying itll sit on the shelf there until next tuesday?" "that is correct sir"
* Rokker
judging despite having half of the planes in the USAF and museum as a ping word
<Sigma88>
also "resize" and "rescale"
<Agathorn>
xShadowx: whine whine whine
<Agathorn>
they are a delivery service not a self serve warehouse
<xShadowx>
Agathorn: lol
<stratochief|remote>
Agathorn: I don't have any real first hand knowledge of Vancouver, but it seems fairly clear that 'the chinese' have infiltrated the immigration system there, or that it is just corrupt as hell, letting people buy their way around the language requirement
<Agathorn>
actually technically you CAN buy a PR
<stratochief|remote>
through Quebec? investors program?
<Agathorn>
apparently if you purchase property over I think 700million you get a PR
<Agathorn>
er 700thouand that should have been
<Agathorn>
I forget now
<stratochief|remote>
so, like if you go half'sies on the average home in vancouver then?
<Agathorn>
but yes you can buy real estate and get a PR with it
<stratochief|remote>
fuck that. I so declare, let us burn the 1%
<Agathorn>
child dreasm to go to space, grows up becomes an astronaut, then gets fired from the best damned job ever invented because he files false receipt claims? dafuq?
<rsparkyc>
all ratios are defined as mass ratios (vs volume ratios), as that's what they used for describing what ratios they used on apollo
<rsparkyc>
oxidizerMass:fuelMass
<rsparkyc>
found some thrust/isp curves online for the j-2, so I should be able to make a realistic config
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<CobaltWolf>
SHIT
<CobaltWolf>
is anyone here experienced with sound effects? Like creating effect tracks? My senior project's sound guy (who isn't an official part of the team) has completely ghosted and we have... 19 days to get sound in for a ~5 minute thing that needs effects, not music.
<CobaltWolf>
hey, is there a template for PP textures?
<CobaltWolf>
someone PM'd me asking for help making some
<Agathorn>
I asked about the once ages ago and nver got an answer lol
<CobaltWolf>
oh
<xShadowx>
its really just 2 parts, a square that gets tiled, and an endcap which is just a circle :)
<Agathorn>
yeah and which part is where in the atlas? how big are they?
<Agathorn>
you are saying the same thing peopel said before which is 100% useless
<CobaltWolf>
^
<Agathorn>
I guess the best thing to do is just take an existing texture and go from there
<Agathorn>
but a proper template sure would help
<CobaltWolf>
yeah
<CobaltWolf>
if we wait long enough someone will make one :P
<Agathorn>
not likely
<CobaltWolf>
it's... 92 degrees outside, and I'm in a room full of rendering workstations. Every time I type my fingertips stick to the keyboard. i think the key caps might be melting.
<xShadowx>
size means nothing but resolution, 256x256 vs 512x512 fir first part, 2nd is same way but just a circle portion is used to the edges
<Agathorn>
it is two separate files?
<xShadowx>
yep
<Agathorn>
well that is silly
<xShadowx>
nah
<Agathorn>
unless it is combining them into one atlas in code
<xShadowx>
easier to config choices and seperate sides vs ends
<Agathorn>
otherwise its a wasted draw call
<Agathorn>
I didn't think it let you set them separaetely in game
<Agathorn>
not that I recall anyway I thought it was just one slider
<CobaltWolf>
Agathorn: oh man... don't ever use DebugTools to look at the BDB Skylab panels... :P
<Agathorn>
I could just be remembering wrong though
<Agathorn>
:p
<Agathorn>
draw calls are the king in today's world
<Agathorn>
GPUs can sling so much power but they're limited by draw calls
<CobaltWolf>
I need to see if I can somehow bake the animation down to the vertices or something... like merge the objects... without having to rig them
<Pap>
CobaltWolf: the PP textures are very very simple 512x512 squares that get stretched through the entire size of the part they are covering
<CobaltWolf>
that is disgusting
<Agathorn>
Why do you think most PP stuff looks so ugly :)
<Agathorn>
There is a reason i've been such an opponent of procedural things in KSP
<Pap>
exactly Agathorn
<Agathorn>
and why I was such in love with SSTU
<Pap>
which is why I use SSTU for my procedural stuff
<Pap>
^^^
<Agathorn>
I still prefer to use non prc fairings
<Agathorn>
though they are getting harder and harder to use
<Pap>
I hate building Fairings, so I let that one go
<Agathorn>
not sure they even work anymore
<HypergolicSkunk>
KSP without Procedural Parts is so limited/limiting.. I cannot imagine playing RO/RSS without it
<Agathorn>
Pap I actually LIKE being restricted to what fits in a prebuilt fairing just like in RL
<CobaltWolf>
SSTU is awesome it's just... idk. I wish KSP actually worked like that. As is I really don't feel like I can develop for it, especially since he constantly seems one KSP Weekly away from leaving and abandoning it
<Pap>
HypergolicSkunk: I don't think it really would work
<Agathorn>
HypergolicSkunk: but its ugly is the point
<Pap>
Agathorn: that makes so much sense
<Pap>
CobaltWolf: that is an accurate statement
<CobaltWolf>
I like fixed fairings I just am too lazy to make them... it'd add so much extra work for me to do them for all of BDB
<HypergolicSkunk>
Agathorn: my rockets aren't ugly :'(
<Agathorn>
HypergolicSkunk: its pretty hard to make really awesome looking rockets with pparts
<Agathorn>
at the very least you lack high frequency detail, nurnies, so they look plain and cartoony
<CobaltWolf>
HypergolicSkunk: they can look fine but they'll never *look* as good as bespoke parts. Which is why SSTU is awesome, it splits the difference. The parts are all all chunks of bespoke textures and models, rather than a single low res texture being stretched
<CobaltWolf>
Agathorn: nurnies..?
<Agathorn>
greebles?
<Agathorn>
nurnies, greebles, you should now one or both of those terms :p
<Agathorn>
s/now/know
<Qboid>
Agathorn meant to say: nurnies, greebles, you should know one or both of those terms :p
<CobaltWolf>
greebles yeah, never heard of nurnies
<Agathorn>
same thing
<CobaltWolf>
actually I think I might have once or twice
<Agathorn>
its that random small detail on a model
<CobaltWolf>
I'm always torn between incorporating greebly detail or trusting the player to surf attach smaller parts to break it up. At least for station parts
<Agathorn>
SSTU makes heavy use of nurnies
<Agathorn>
thats why it looks so good
<Agathorn>
Stock doesn't
<Agathorn>
your making stockalike so
<Agathorn>
but without those small details, CG looks CG and cartoony
<CobaltWolf>
I mean
<CobaltWolf>
to be fair
<CobaltWolf>
I am going for cartoony
<Agathorn>
like I said you are doing stockalike
<Agathorn>
same thing :)
<CobaltWolf>
which is what I enjoy about it, it's fun trying to make it realistic and cartoony at the same time haha
<CobaltWolf>
I'll say though, I don't think I've ever actually *installed* SSTU
<CobaltWolf>
so maybe it doesn't look that good and I should start talking smack haha. I notice everything looks better in forum screenshots
<CobaltWolf>
idk if that's just cus the modder can take them at the best angle etc every time or what
<gazpachian>
Nah, SSTU is amazing in-game as well. ;)
<Agathorn>
SSTU is pretty good compared to stock
<CobaltWolf>
well, stock stinks
<Agathorn>
but then it could be better -- it still suffers from what seems to be a common fear amongst KSP players and modders - fear of triangle count
<CobaltWolf>
I tried to do something and now RD blocked me :P
<Agathorn>
which is stupid because tri count is the last thing to worry about in KSP
<CobaltWolf>
I don't worry about poly count but I have to worry about the number of faces on my cylinders... they look weird if you try and stack different # of faces
<Agathorn>
heh yeah
<Agathorn>
but the fact that you even have that problem is a problem
<CobaltWolf>
exactly...
<Agathorn>
they shoudl al be high enough detail that they are you know a cylinder
<CobaltWolf>
Don't get me wrong, there's so many things I *hate* about the stock style. But if nothing else, I love consistency. So I'm stuck working in the stock style.
<Agathorn>
or you just replace it completely
<CobaltWolf>
idk... there's a certain joy I always got when I saw something that aped PJ's style. Cormorant gives me chills
<Agathorn>
ala sstu
<Pap>
SSTU is a blend of stockalike and realistic
<CobaltWolf>
I could easily make stuff for SSTU, or dedicated RO parts. I just like the more cartoony aesthetic, and I want my stuff to be consistent with other porkalike stuff
<Pap>
Take a break from BDB stock and move over to RO for a while, the water is warm
<CobaltWolf>
why would I do that when I'm literally a year behind my stockalike commitments?
<CobaltWolf>
:P
<CobaltWolf>
"Hey Cobalt when are you gonna finish Skylab?" "idk once I finish redoing everything I've spent the last 18 months on. Won't take me long don't worry" - March 2017
<xShadowx>
rover blocked you? the horror :P
<xShadowx>
did you say ty?:)
<acc>
hullu
<CobaltWolf>
I don't think he blocked me, he just sent me a really salty PM and now he ignores me haha
<Pap>
yo acc
<xShadowx>
i lost interest in his opinion when i pointed out a bug, and he claimed it was working perfectly, and that i shouldnt point out issues with others' code XD
<CobaltWolf>
yeah he is an extreme prick
<xShadowx>
3 years later still no fixy :D
<CobaltWolf>
which is... fine? for a modder who does it on their free time and really isn't obligated to do anything
<CobaltWolf>
but he still has that mindset as an employee, which I take issue with
<acc>
I don't like that toy-alike style
<CobaltWolf>
acc: in regards to?
<acc>
everything looks like china plastic
<acc>
roverdudes parts
<CobaltWolf>
some of his USI stuff looks pretty nice
<CobaltWolf>
or at least, not offensive. I find it charming sometimes
<CobaltWolf>
but the stuff for the expansion sucks
<acc>
yeah, it's no bad quality, but the style is far far away from my taste
<CobaltWolf>
the textures I mean. I don't mind the models
<CobaltWolf>
the textures for the expansion really are low quality
<xShadowx>
the fact he claimed it wasnt a bug when it was, preventing half his code from working, isnt something any modder should do ;p hobby or job
<xShadowx>
"buzz off i dont wanna fix" is fine
<CobaltWolf>
yeah
<CobaltWolf>
like I've straight up ignored bugs in SEP for months just because I can't be bothered to fix them. I sympathize. Sometimes you just really would rather work on other stuff. Indefinitely
<xShadowx>
ya, but to bark at the guy whos reporting the bug, then claiming it doesnt exist, doesnt sound like you :P
<Pap>
CobaltWolf: you should update SEP for RO
<Pap>
Also, CobaltWolf you should update the Sample Return capsule for RO
<CobaltWolf>
Pap: I don't make RO patches. Or any patches. I put my time into making/improving art assets :P
<xShadowx>
which reminds me....
<CobaltWolf>
not to be a dick but... like, I feel as if that's a more finite / less common skillset
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<xShadowx>
only if yer good at it ;3
<xShadowx>
one tank set dude admitted he used crayons on paper and scanned it into his pc to make the texture, because he didnt know how to make textures :)
<xShadowx>
oddly it wasnt half bad
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<xShadowx>
kinda wonder now how colored pencil woulda looked
<regex>
Which set was that?
<xShadowx>
just some cylinder tanks of varius colored about 2 ish years ago, right after 1.0 hit, no clue the name
<regex>
The scanner probably added some natural-ish noise to help offset the "crayon-ness"
<xShadowx>
so many mods show up in forums and just get buried by the big mods :| heh
<CobaltWolf>
tbh I get annoyed if BDB isn't on the front page
<CobaltWolf>
but I'm extremely vain and jealous
<CobaltWolf>
so
<CobaltWolf>
yeah
<CobaltWolf>
which is why I have a Discord full of people that stroke my ego
<xShadowx>
im the opposite, i make stuff for me then throw it out to forums etc, if it falls off front page i get less people who complain :)
<soundnfury>
Agathorn: the FCC _always_ wants to destroy the internet; that's what they're _for_ -_-
<regex>
I'll sign but it won't make any difference
<Agathorn>
no it probably wont but then if we always had that attitude nothing would ever change so best to at leats try each time
<Agathorn>
decisions are mode by those who show up
<Agathorn>
s/mode/made
<Qboid>
Agathorn meant to say: decisions are made by those who show up
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<regex>
True, true, but this current U.S. government is especially beligerent
<Agathorn>
yeah
<Agathorn>
beligerant is exactly the right word
<xShadowx>
the system is rigged, votes dont matter :P
<soundnfury>
*sigh*
<soundnfury>
everyone hates the government, but when I say I want to abolish them, suddenly I'm a craaaazy anarchist radical!
<Agathorn>
I don't hate government
<Agathorn>
I hate particular people in this government
<Agathorn>
government is essential
<Agathorn>
but proper government is usually my preference :)
<Agathorn>
soundnfury: but if you don't want government then you should be happy with the fcc changes
<Agathorn>
so at least there is that
<xShadowx>
even if you go with voting is done legitly, its rigged before the voting stage begins, mostly by those already in power spending money to make the guy who will keep them in power be the onl known option :)
<regex>
-signed
<xShadowx>
isnt no government impossible to exist? i mean take our current, we dive into anarchy, and have little mini tribes of people everywhere, which are going to have some form of leader, which would mean they each have government again?:|
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<soundnfury>
xShadowx: it's a long and complicated answer, but /me gestures in the direction of David D. Friedman if you want to know more.
<regex>
I've some anarchist theory and "fiction", it's basically wishful thinking for the free market to handle everything.
<regex>
In short, humans are humans and that would never happen without some very disciplined and compassionate humans participating.
<xShadowx>
free market = monopoly = you pay $$$$$$$
<soundnfury>
tl;dr: in order for an-cap to be stable, the majority of people have to believe it's preferable to being governed, but that condition is sufficient rather than merely necessary
<soundnfury>
xShadowx: um, no.
<soundnfury>
monopolies are actually usually created, or at least sustained, by regulatory capture
<gazpachian>
Guys, how about we tone down the politics? We're a bunch who get polarized by aesthetics of mod packs, let's not make it worse by bringing up real issuess. :P
<soundnfury>
when they can't use their power to buy lobbyists and buy laws, monopolists usually get innovated around fairly quickly
<Rokker>
gazpachian: good luck, I try to do that and they gimme shit
<soundnfury>
gazpachian: this is the _Internet_. Political debates are what it's _for_.
<xShadowx>
Rokker: but thats b/c its you :)
<soundnfury>
(well, there are other uses, but IRC is text-only so... ;)
<xShadowx>
soundnfury: liar, interwebs is for porn, it being for political stuff is just political propaganda
<xShadowx>
.......since when has text stopped anything >.>
<gazpachian>
xshadowx: don't forget cat pictures.
* xShadowx
resists urge to mention ascii art
<regex>
Yeah, let's stop with the political talk.
<regex>
~OP REQUEST~
<regex>
Also, my baed
<regex>
^bad
<soundnfury>
xShadowx wins the no-prize for guessing my subtext xD
<regex>
also, goo dnight all, I leave you in someone else's capable OP hands.
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<Agathorn>
ascii porn would suck
<Sigma88>
that's pretty common in all types, not just ascii
<Agathorn>
couldn't resist could you
* xShadowx
looks at channel name thinking its kspmodders
<Agathorn>
even as I typed it out I knew somsone would go there :p
<Agathorn>
ouch
<Agathorn>
that hurts
<soundnfury>
xShadowx: ye gods don't mention that name, I'm triggered now :P
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<pfavg_>
Hi 0/ Is this the right place to ask RO or Kerbal Construction Time questions?
<soundnfury>
pfavg_: RO questions yes, not sure about KCT
<soundnfury>
(we'll try but we might not have the answers)
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<Agathorn>
hard to answer a question not asked however
<soundnfury>
Agathorn: on the contrary; we successfully answered all of his questions!
<Agathorn>
:)
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