<lamont>
that is what i got from NK. although vessel.obt_velocity seems to == that as far as i can tell
<taniwha>
that gives you pos, vel at the current time inside the rotating frame
<taniwha>
(works at all altitudes)
<lamont>
oh
<taniwha>
(frame simply stops rotating when you get high enough)
<lamont>
so thats different than getOrbitalVelocityAtUT ?
<taniwha>
ah, similar, but it will be correct for the given UT
<taniwha>
getOrbitalVelocityAtUT is correct only for the given UT
<lamont>
yeah so i was trying to do that...
<lamont>
CSEorbit.GetOrbitalStateVectorsAtUT
<taniwha>
hmm, not sure what will happen with GetOrbitalStateVectorsAtUT when vessel current position and target point are on either side of the threshold
<lamont>
ah, yeah, they definitely were
<taniwha>
I think it will be good enough for PEG
<lamont>
this was integrating a coasting trajectory that approximated a launch trajectory, so it started more or less at the surface and ended more or less in orbit
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<Maxsimal>
o/
<Qboid>
Maxsimal: blowfish left a message for you in #RO [18.09.2017 23:03:47]: "I guess the problem is just that there doesn't seem to be enough of an advantage to the go higher sooner route. Why should I build a new LV now when I can launch my old one a couple more times and get more funds out of it. I'm only delaying my space program by a little bit and I will get the higher altitude contracts eventually e
<Qboid>
ither way. The funds gained vs time lost seems heavily skewed toward getting each contrac"
<Maxsimal>
!tell blowfish I dunno, to me it's worthwhile to get to contracts where the payout is higher as soon as possible, if you're racing against the clock. If people want we can just remove the altitude contract.
<Qboid>
Maxsimal: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<wb99999999>
greetings
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<wb99999999>
GJ college wifi...
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<Maxsimal_>
o/
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<BadRocketsCo>
Hi everyone
<BadRocketsCo>
Uh, one question
<BadRocketsCo>
How do I choose a launch site these days?
<Maxsimal_>
Choose a launchpad, or a site on the map?
<BadRocketsCo>
Clicking on them won't switch the launch site
<BadRocketsCo>
Oh
<BadRocketsCo>
Because I don't have KSC switcher...
<Maxsimal_>
Yes it will - you go to the tracking station, click the site you want, leave the tracking station
<Maxsimal_>
Ah yeah well - that'd do it
<BadRocketsCo>
Yeah, I answered my own question...
<BadRocketsCo>
This is one of these days where I'm just dumb
<Maxsimal_>
Ehh no worries, happens to the best of us
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<Maxsimal_>
!tell soundnfury What settings did you use for getting to orbit by 1953. 320% money?
<Qboid>
Maxsimal_: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<Rokker>
ferram4: i have discovered what concentrated stupid looks like
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<wb99999999>
Is my text visible?
<wb99999999>
Oh yes it is now...
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<wb99999999>
I hate this internet...
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<awang>
Bornholio: Have you tried recompiling the RO DLL?
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<SpecimenSpiff>
o/
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<blowfish>
Apparently Norhrop Grumman is buying Orbital ATK
<Qboid>
blowfish: Maxsimal left a message for you in #RO [19.09.2017 12:44:55]: "I dunno, to me it's worthwhile to get to contracts where the payout is higher as soon as possible, if you're racing against the clock. If people want we can just remove the altitude contract."
<awang>
Also "Cannot find a PartModule of typename 'ModuleEnginesRF'"
<awang>
Pretty sure I have RF installed, though?
<blowfish>
is RF loading properly, should be near the beginning of the log
<blowfish>
or you could just post the log I guess
<awang>
What should I look for to indicate a proper load?
<awang>
Wait, think I might have accidentally broken something
<awang>
Let me move around some commits and try again
<awang>
Does Proc parts require RF?
<awang>
I thought it was optional
<blowfish>
proc parts does not require RF by itself, but there might be some patch that ends up adding a dependency
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<soundnfury>
.
<Qboid>
soundnfury: Maxsimal_ left a message for you in #RO [19.09.2017 18:11:36]: "What settings did you use for getting to orbit by 1953. 320% money?"
<soundnfury>
Maxsimal_: whatever the default is. I think it's 240% now?
<soundnfury>
yeah, FundsGainMultiplier = 2.4 in my .sfs
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<Maxsimal_>
@soundnfury: Huh, my 'normal' defaults to 400% now - guess you're on hard, or I'm out of sync
<soundnfury>
yeah, hard
<soundnfury>
(but with quickload enabled because fuck bugs)
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<blowfish>
soundnfury: what LV did you use for first orbit?
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<soundnfury>
blowfish: uhh, this time it was A-6/2xAJ-10/XASR-1
<soundnfury>
with Able-class avionics on the 2nd stage and a spin-stabilised kick stage
<blowfish>
AJ10-27 ?
<blowfish>
and how many engines on the 2nd stage?
<soundnfury>
blowfish: yeah, AJ10-27
<soundnfury>
I *think* it was 2x, but I'm not sure. I usually go with 3x though
* soundnfury
checks his notes
<Maxsimal_>
soundnfury: Thanks
<blowfish>
oh, kick stage was solid?
<Maxsimal_>
Hrmm, where's the A-6 from? I just have A-4 and A-9 in my game.
<blowfish>
I did something similar recently but did not have the 1956 solids yet, so I did 5x AJ10-27 -> 1x AJ10-27
<blowfish>
Maxsimal_ it's redstone
<soundnfury>
blowfish: no, kick stage was the XASR-1
<soundnfury>
(actually it might have been another AJ10-27, I'm not sure now)
<soundnfury>
Maxsimal_: FASA, I think
<soundnfury>
different part, not a config of the A-6
<soundnfury>
s/6/4
<Qboid>
soundnfury meant to say: different part, not a config of the A-4
<soundnfury>
it's the Redstone engine
<soundnfury>
blowfish: I almost never use solid upper/kick stages
<Maxsimal_>
Blowfish|soundnfury : Gotcha - NA-75-110 is the same engine?
<awang>
Wait, you had an upgraded launch pad by 1953?
<blowfish>
Maxsimal_: yes
<blowfish>
awang: it's not that difficult to do
<blowfish>
you just have to start it early
<Maxsimal_>
Anyway, I'm off to bed. G'night guys
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<blowfish>
soundnfury: did you also have the early probe cores unlocked for a payload at that point?
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<soundnfury>
blowfish: no, I think it was just the sounding rocket core
<blowfish>
ah, that makes things a bit easier
<soundnfury>
(otherwise I could probably have done it with an A-4)
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<awang>
blowfish: Pad upgrades take more than 3 years for me...
<awang>
Unless I'm not upgrading something I should be upgrading
<blowfish>
I remember it being a while, was it 3 years?
<awang>
1100+ days IIRC
<awang>
So that should put it beyond 1953
<awang>
And unlocking the Gammas before then sounds like it'd be hard too
<awang>
If it's possible at all
<blowfish>
Gammas? Aren't those 1956 tech?
<soundnfury>
awang: tbh it's possible that I was using a redstone shortened to fit the 20t pad, I can't really remember
<soundnfury>
but the pad upgrade did not take 3 years, I'm sure of that
<awang>
blowfish: Those are, but I thought those are the way to get to orbit under 20 tons
<awang>
soundnfury: Redstone can get to orbit? TIL
<blowfish>
well, that or Vanguard
<awang>
I thought it was too heavy
<awang>
Er
<awang>
s/get to orbit/get to orbit under 20t
<Qboid>
awang meant to say: soundnfury: Redstone can get to orbit under 20t? TIL
<blowfish>
Vanguard is also 1956 though
<awang>
I thought Vanguard engines are also 1956 tech?
<blowfish>
it might be possible with a shortened redstone
<blowfish>
haven't checked for sure
<awang>
Hmmm
<blowfish>
especially if your payload is just the sounding rocket core
<awang>
Guess I'm trying that next
<awang>
If KSP ever gets around to starting properly
<ProjectThoth>
What date does Year 0 Day 0 00:00 correspond to?
<soundnfury>
ProjectThoth: RO's epoch is Y1 == 1951
<ProjectThoth>
So January 1, 1951 at what time?
<soundnfury>
00:00 GMT I think
<ProjectThoth>
Ah, GMT, that's why I was confused.
<soundnfury>
see the RSS Kopernicus config for details
<soundnfury>
Best time zone.
<soundnfury>
awang: a XASR-1 kick stage can do a lot (maybe 4k), so you only need three-ish from each of your mid-stage (two or three AJ10-27s) and your booster
<soundnfury>
so I can believe that a 20t redstone is possible, but like I say, I can't remember for sure
<awang>
soundnfury: sounds quite reasonable
<awang>
Main issue at that point would be the entry cost for the A-4
<awang>
I think
<ProjectThoth>
I am starting to develop a space debris problem.
<blowfish>
awang: what does A-4 have to do with it?
<blowfish>
(also A-4 is in the start node)
<awang>
Er
<awang>
Whatever the Redstone rocket is
* awang
needs to learn his rockets
<awang>
Entry cost 75000 funds
<awang>
Don't remember the name
<awang>
Priorities
<blowfish>
yeah, it isn't cheap
<blowfish>
you can take the first orbit contract to pay for it if you need to though
<awang>
I usually hold off on the first orbit contract because I'm either waiting for the Gamma or for the launchpad
<awang>
Then forget to accept it until right before I launch :/
<awang>
Does upgrading the VAB build rate increase the speed the launch pad builds?
<awang>
I've been dumping all my upgrade points into R&D to avoid waiting around as long
<awang>
But maybe that's part of the problem?
<awang>
Also, all of RaiderNick's part packs should work in 1.3, right?
<soundnfury>
awang: yes, all building upgrades depend on total VAB BPs
<soundnfury>
(possibly plus total SPH BPs)
<soundnfury>
I generally accept a contract once I know that _at my current rates_ (of building, researching etc.) I can do it before the expiry
<soundnfury>
then the time saved by increasing those rates gives about the right margin for failures
<soundnfury>
anyway, I'd better zzz now, need to be up early tomorrow (have to be at work by _11am_!!! scandalous!!!)
<awang>
soundnfury: Ah, that makes a lot more sense
<awang>
soundnfury: Where do you work that lets you start at 11?
<awang>
.....Wait, was it you that did the day drinking thing some time ago?
<soundnfury>
solarflare communications
<soundnfury>
I'm a kernel hacker, we're _expected_ to be nocturnal ;)
<soundnfury>
what thing?
<awang>
Ah, right, you're one of *those* guys :P
<awang>
Someone did a <name>|day_drinking some time ago
<awang>
Then had to change it because he was also in #kspofficial or something
<soundnfury>
*shrug* not me
<awang>
Never mind then
<soundnfury>
heh, not sure I've ever been in kspo
<soundnfury>
anyway, nn
<awang>
Sounded like a place that lets you start at 11 would be the kind to not mind drinking on the job
<awang>
Especially if you're a kernel hacker
<awang>
Par for the course, probably :P
<awang>
Night!
<soundnfury>
our company _does_ sponsor the cambridge beer festival
<soundnfury>
and (totally unrelatedly) one of my co-workers runs it
<soundnfury>
which would be great, but I don't drink
<awang>
Sounds like it'd make for an interseteg day for the workers there