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<ProjectThoth> Put together an album of my vehicles so far. https://imgur.com/a/bD5A4
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<soundnfury> ProjectThoth: what's with the open-truss interstages?
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<ProjectThoth> soundnfury: I don't like how the stock shrouds look.
<ProjectThoth> Plus, with engine clusters, it only shrouds the one in the center.
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<ProjectThoth> Plus, they're way cooler than regular old interstages.
<chatz> Testing the later dev version - I just unlocked tech for XASR and bought it in the R&D facility - but I don't have the option to select it in the VAB - any ideas?
<chatz> later -> latest*
<soundnfury> ProjectThoth: I agree shrouds are ugly as allgetout. But interstages are neat
<ProjectThoth> soundnfury: True.
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<jclishman> How can I get rid of the ground station circles?
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<soundnfury> jclishman: top right corner of tracking station, there's a little eye button
<jclishman> soundnfury: still there https://i.imgur.com/0TiZJ0Z.jpg
<jclishman> the eye button only gets rid of the launch pad icon
<soundnfury> oh, ok :(
<soundnfury> dunno then
* soundnfury |zzz
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<blowfish> awang: I can't help but think ignition failures may have been previously broken. Maybe the're unbalanced now because no one actually encountered them when playing.
<blowfish> in NK's streams, there were plenty of performance losses and shutdowns, but no ignition failures, I have seen similar behavior in my 1.2.2 careers
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<awang> blowfish: I think you're right
<awang> There's an issue on the TF repo about ignition failures being broken
<awang> In that they never occurred
<awang> And Starstrider42 submitted a patch to re-enable them
<blowfish> yeah, that seems to be it
<awang> Which got merged into the dev branch, but was never included in a release
<blowfish> are you working off of dev?
<awang> Yep
<blowfish> that would explain it
<blowfish> still, the failure rates you were seeing seem unusually high
<awang> Yeah, I'm planning on looking into it over the weekend
<awang> Doubt I'll actually get anywhere though
<blowfish> even if they get back to reasonable levels though, it might end up being that some of the current career changes have to be rebalanced a bit
<blowfish> since all the playtesting has been done without ignition failures
<awang> Just how common were ignition failures in the first place?
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<blowfish> no idea, I didn't actually start an RP-0 campaign until they were broken
<blowfish> the TF configs should define an ignition failure chance though
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<blowfish> I think that means that it should have a 79% of ignition success at no data, and an 87% chance of success at max data
<awang> Sounds reasonable
<awang> Looks like the aerobees are supposed to be relatively reliable
<awang> So yeah, the rates I'm seeing are waayyy off
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<chatz> testing the latest development version of RP-0 and I unlocked XASR-1 in the tech tree, purchased the upgrade (in the R&D facility) and then when I go to the engine config of the aerobee it says "Lack tech for XASR-1" - what am I doing wrong?
<chatz> ah looks like a KP - https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/issues/765
<Qboid> [#765] title: Post-War Rocketry Testing does not enable XASR-1 upgrade [RP-1 dev] | When the Post-War Rocketry Testing node is finished researching, the other upgrade items (RD-100 to RD-101 and A4 to A9) are both available through the VAB/SPH engine GUI for upgrading, but the XASR-1 config does not become available for the Aerobee (WAC-Corporal) even though the upgrade icon appears in the PWR
<Qboid> T node in the R&D building.... | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/issues/765
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<blowfish> Atlas V launch from Vandenberg in a little while
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<blowfish> What abomination have I made? https://i.imgur.com/xwrzErO.png
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<blowfish> actually here's a better one showing the cost ... not cheap, but the contract did pay for it
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<blowfish> damn, I just payed 100k in tooling alone
<blowfish> makes me feel a lot less bad about mostly ignoring the bug with entry costs not applying
<awang> blowfish: TestFlight says my ignition chance is 0.5748
<awang> And also says that the min value for the IgnitionChance curve is 0.9, and max value is 0.95
<blowfish> strange
<awang> blowfish: Jeeze, what'd you have to pay that much tooling for?
<blowfish> Thor
<awang> Thor?
<blowfish> Well, Thor-Vanguard-Able
<awang> Wait, tooling for the entire rocket?
<awang> Or just one part?
<blowfish> the entire rocket
<awang> Oh
<awang> I thought you were paying 100k for one part
<awang> Still, entire rocket is pretty bad
<awang> Also, I think the low ignition chance may be due to air-lighting the aerobee?
<blowfish> does that actually affect it?
<awang> Maybe?
<awang> If the situation isn't prelaunch, there are a few values multiplied into the ignition chance
<awang> One of them is derived from some kind of pressure curve
<awang> multiplier = pressureCurve.Evaluate ((float)(part.dynamicPressurekPa * 1000d));
<awang> The other multiplier appears to be based on the number of times the engine has been ignited
<awang> But looks like the ignition chance is always hovering around 57%
<awang> Hold on, computer may crash
<blowfish> hmm
<awang> It didn't
<awang> Let me recompile with some more logging and restart
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<wb99999999> guess everyone is asleep now
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<wb99999999> projectthoth I almost thought you're stalking me
<ProjectThoth> wb99999999: heh
<ProjectThoth> Why's that?
<wb99999999> you entered the chat the exact minute I did
<wb99999999> just a few seconds later
<ProjectThoth> lmao
<wb99999999> quite a coincidence eh?\
<ProjectThoth> Heh, coincidence, yeah.
<ProjectThoth> :P
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<awang> ferram4: Is part.dynamicPressurekPa the right way to get the dynamic pressure on a part with FAR?
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<ferram4> Yes
<awang> Alright
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<awang> !tell blowfish Looks like the ignition failure weirdness comes down to some multiplier based on the dynamic pressure a part is under
<Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<awang> !tell blowfish Line in question: multiplier = pressureCurve.Evaluate ((float)(part.dynamicPressurekPa * 1000d));
<Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<awang> !tell blowfish Corresponding representative values: multiplier is 0.608184, part.dynamicPressurekPa is 23.4624035969109
<Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<awang> !tell blowfish Only place I can find pressureCurve being set is it being given a default value in OnAwake(), where it's assigned to a new FloatCurve and Add(0f, 1f) called right after
<Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<blowfish> what's the EC <-> joules conversion again?
<Qboid> blowfish: awang left a message for you in #RO [24.09.2017 10:53:27]: "Looks like the ignition failure weirdness comes down to some multiplier based on the dynamic pressure a part is under"
<Qboid> blowfish: awang left a message for you in #RO [24.09.2017 10:54:27]: "Corresponding representative values: multiplier is 0.608184, part.dynamicPressurekPa is 23.4624035969109"
<Qboid> blowfish: awang left a message for you in #RO [24.09.2017 10:56:15]: "Only place I can find pressureCurve being set is it being given a default value in OnAwake(), where it's assigned to a new FloatCurve and Add(0f, 1f) called right after"
<Qboid> blowfish: awang left a message for you in #RO [24.09.2017 10:53:51]: "Line in question: multiplier = pressureCurve.Evaluate ((float)(part.dynamicPressurekPa * 1000d));"
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<soundnfury> blowfish: 1EC = 1kJ (= 1kWs)
<blowfish> cool, thanks
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<awang> Isn't the runway supposed to be better in 1.3.0?
<awang> Also, I'm getting stock timewarp values for some reason o_O
<awang> Yep
<Rokker> ferram4: are you alive
<awang> The solar system itself is right
<ferram4> Yes
<awang> Just the time warp rates are wrong
<Rokker> Bornholio: I got a job btw. manager was USMC aviation
<awang> Also, I like how the threshold for flying high over the sun is 18km
<Rokker> ferram4: did you ever see the dumb person I found on the spacex Reddit community
<ferram4> No?
<awang> Interestingly, the time warp rates are correct in the MM cache
<Rokker> ferram4: he thinks spacex should put fairings over the grid fins to minimize drag
<Rokker> and is convinced its a major issue
<ferram4> ....I mean, they'll produce a fair bit of drag even when stowed, but it's really not that big a deal.
<ferram4> The forces are miniscule compared to everything else.
<Rokker> exactly
<ferram4> And it's not as if they need to be protected from aero forces.
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<Rokker> he refused to give it up though
<ferram4> Why does he think they need them?
<ferram4> To improve launch performance?
<ferram4> Reduce stress on the joints?
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<egg> !wpn ferram4
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<Rokker> ferram4: i believe it was performance
<ferram4> That strikes me as quite silly
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<Rokker> ferram4: also, im thinking on spending my first paycheck or two on an operationally interesting (at least for its time) gun
<Bornholio> cool rokker
<Rokker> Bornholio: he was a crew member on an Osprey
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<Rokker> ferram4: basically imagine if the guy behind this reddit post decided to design a revolver and you have the gun i wanna get
<Rokker> the Nagant M1895
<ferram4> Oh, that's the one that has the barrel move back to seal the cylinder gap, right?
<Rokker> yeah
<Rokker> ferram4: it is the only revolver that you can stick a silencer on though, so thats neat
<ferram4> It's also overengineered
<Rokker> ferram4: yep, minor performance increase for an incredibly complex trigger system
<Rokker> for a revolver
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<awang> Hmmm
<awang> I have this message in my KSP.log
<awang> Config in file '/Users/awang/code/KSP/GameData/RealismOverhaul/RealPlume_Configs/000_Generic_Plumes_Catchall/zzz_non-OMS-Catchall.cfg' contains an unname d node. Skipping.
<awang> But it doesn't look like said file has an unnamed node?
<awang> I'm not very familiar with MM configs, though, so I'm probably missing something?
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<awang> I'm getting an insane number of "missing texture" warnings, too
<awang> Er, not warnings
<awang> errors
<Bornholio> i'll take a look if you want to post a log
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<awang> Bornholio: Not sure how much it'll help. Log seems strangely bare of any potentially helpful details
<blowfish> awang: probably means there is an empty line before the opening bracket
<awang> blowfish: Nope, none
<awang> Although there are trailing spaces, if that counts?
<blowfish> I don't think so
<blowfish> let me look
<blowfish> I see that too
<blowfish> well it's not MM, let's see what in KSP is doing that
<blowfish> ah, I wonder if the trailing spaces have something to do with it
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<Bornholio> what team are you on sigma :)
<blowfish> ohhhh
<blowfish> awang: it doesn't like the = in the first line
<blowfish> and >= doesn
<blowfish> doesn
<blowfish> bah
<blowfish> doesn't work in MM anyway
<blowfish> well, there would be no reason for it to, since KSP can't parse a name that contains =
<blowfish> created an issue for it
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<Sigma88> you can use :HAS[#maxThrust[>0],~maxThrust[<100]] instead of :HAS[#maxThrust[>=100]]
<Sigma88> :)
<Sigma88> or just :HAS[#maxThrust[>99.99]] I suppose
<Sigma88> not sure about the floating point tho
<blowfish> floating point?
<blowfish> for any number comparison MM just parses it as a double and then compares
<Sigma88> I just wasn't sure the dot there could have been an issue for the parser
<Sigma88> I don't think so
<Sigma88> I just wasn't sure
<blowfish> it should be fine, . doesn't mean anything special to KSP or MM
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<ProjectThoth> New payload record: 143.3 tons to LEO.
<awang> blowfish: Huh, interesting. Never thought that KSP would have parsed the node like that
<blowfish> the config node parser isn't incredibly smart
<awang> What, you're telling me they didn't create a proper grammar and parser for config nodes? How shameful!
<blowfish> they really just should have used something pre-existing like yaml
<blowfish> no need to reinvent anything if you don't have to
<awang> Is NIH a particularly bad problem in KSP?
<blowfish> certainly for some things
<blowfish> I wouldn't say in general though
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<blowfish> the proprietary model format does come to mind too though
<awang> .mu files?
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<blowfish> yeah
<awang> Didn't know those weren't a standard format
<awang> Hmmm
<awang> It looks like I cannot get into space
<awang> Literally
<awang> KSP freezes as soon as I pass the 140km mark
<Bornholio> double check kopernicus