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<Althego> but sadly we have to wait until sunday
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<Solar_Oracle> Serious question here. Why don't the Dragon spacecraft use the same-day rendezvous trajectories as Soyuz?
<Althego> even the soyuz doesnt do that all the time
<Althego> depends on payload mass, actual iss phase, and of course rocket performance
<Solar_Oracle> Yeah, but the orbit module can also double as a bathroom.
<Solar_Oracle> The only privacy one gets in Dragon is in the comfort of one's Depends.
<Althego> which is something they would rather not use
<Althego> at least i heard it mention in one video that the iss toilet is better
<Althego> hah, scott 45 minutes ago
<Althego> i think there was a scott video about the short iss rendezvous
<Solar_Oracle> From what I understand, the same-day rendezvous is pretty standard for the MS Soyuz. Excepting that one time that one MS decided to end its mission in a single day.
<Althego> there must be an explanation in there
<Althego> and if i went there to find the old one, i can link the newest video too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCm8LeXVhUk
<Solar_Oracle> There doesn't seem to be a reference to why Dragon et al don't do it. Perhaps insufficient flight confidence?
<Althego> yes, this is half of the explanation. how soyuz does it. but why dragon doesnt
<Althego> that latter part is missing
<Althego> there is one sentence at the end that americans are ok with th longer ones for now
<Althego> it seems ultimately it is not only the performance of the rocket but the rocket and spacecraft avionics too which needs to do these computations on its own
<Solar_Oracle> Noooo! There's no closed-captioning on this one!
<Solar_Oracle> I don't have time to listen to the whole thing! That's precious time I could be spending listening to memes!
<Althego> i usually do with double speed
<Solar_Oracle> You young'uns and yer fancy time compression! Back in mah day, we couldn't hear sound when we fast forwarded on the Vee-See-Arr.
<Althego> i didnt even have a vcr
<Althego> not in the 80s when it was big
<Solar_Oracle> You were probably one of those pre-Hipsters with the Beta Max, then!
<Solar_Oracle> And I swear to Jeb, if I hear one more person go, "Ackshually, Beta Max was better", I'm going to squish their head in with a car door.
<Althego> hehe
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<Althego> in the cowboy bebop episode when they want to get the device to play a video tape...
<Solar_Oracle> The episode that started most of the modern Beta Max apologetics, I reckon.
<Althego> but at that point it is unused technology and they have to go to ruined earth to get it. just to get the wrong type, and the casette doesnt fit
<Solar_Oracle> In the future, cassettes are LostTech.
<Althego> and rightfully so. linear search time
<Althego> even disks are btter
<Althego> but the best way to do it is without moving parts
<Solar_Oracle> Instead of imprinting data on to large sheets of paper that have to be manually scrolled, it is best to cut them and attach them to a central spine as separate pages.
<Althego> yes, books instead of scrolls
<Solar_Oracle> Though you really can't make books out of certain materials, like papyrus.
<Solar_Oracle> And until you get paper, making a book might require slaughtering a large number of animals and processing their flesh into writing material to appease the patron deity of forbidden knowledge.
<Althego> yes pergamen was not feasible for large quantities
<Solar_Oracle> The future of data storage will be humans kept in a vegetative state and used as living founts of knowledge. Like mentats that can't talk back.
<Althego> inefficient
<Solar_Oracle> Hey, if it worked for the Matrix!
<Althego> it didnt
<Althego> was a dumb idea anyway
<Althego> and it was power generation or something
<Solar_Oracle> It was originally intended to be brains for processing power, but the studio decided living batteries were easier to understand.
<Solar_Oracle> From a certain point of view, the machines were merely Rogue Servitors.
<Althego> i heard about this. slightly better with the processing
<Althego> but still doesnt work for me
<Althego> willing suspension of disbelief stops
<Solar_Oracle> Honestly, the movies would've been better if the whole Machine vs. Human war was the lie and the machines simply created the illusion that they were using humanity for nefarious purposes so outliers who couldn't stand their artificial utopia would have an outlet for their behavior that kept them away from the Biotropies.
<Solar_Oracle> Or, better yet, if the, "real world" was just another simulation.
<Althego> i watched only the first movie
<Althego> wasnt impressed
<Althego> never watched the others
<Althego> which are said to be worse
<raptop> The sequels should count as being about as canon as the animatrix
<Solar_Oracle> 2nd Renaissance was pretty brutal.
<raptop> well, yes
<Solar_Oracle> I can only imagine how bad the 2nd Enlightenment will be.
<raptop> I hope you like your light to be 1.1732 and 1.3325 MeV gammas
<raptop> hrm, probably too obscure
<Althego> yes
<raptop> Cobalt-60 puts out two gammas when it decays, see...
<Solar_Oracle> And I only now found out why the last battle in The Expanse was so confusing. There was another MCRN corvette in the same class as the Rocinante.
<Solar_Oracle> Or vaguely similar.
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<Althego> oh an event horizon
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<Althego> hehe, i know only few words of russian, but i could understand "stop"
<flayer> hah yeah
<Althego> yametekudastop :)
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<raptop> bad dog
<flayer> the way she reacted from start to finish was beautiful
<flayer> from the closed eyes and scrunched up face and running after it as she did
<Althego> meanwhile crew-2 dragon is approaching the iss
<Althego> or there will be one from nasa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbB2-CCrzO0
<raptop> Has making oxygen on mars been mentioned here yet? https://twitter.com/iximeow/status/1385821671794221057
<raptop> ...
<Althego> i think i mentioned it, but not sure
<Althego> if it works on mars, it should work on venus too
* raptop imagines trying to fuel a CO / O2 rocket hanging from balloons on Venus
<Althego> would totally work
<raptop> It's physically possible, sure. The engineering would be very Fun I expect
<Althego> i dont know why there isnt more buzz around co rocket on mars
<Althego> sounds stupid at first
<Althego> but the whole fuel and oxidizer is free
<Althego> could use it at least to get stuff into orbit
<Althego> oh no. dad in about 5 hours. that will probably conflict with the chicken
* raptop seems to recall seeing somewhere that botan is also a dad
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<Althego> hmm, whole bunch of launches coming up next week
* flayer licks Althego
<Althego> dont do that
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<Althego> it seems docking is a matter of minutes now
<Althego> the soyuz has all those data readouts for the docking, spacex could do better than this
<Althego> time to have a nap before the chicken strikes
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<Althego> while i was sleeping the hatch was opened
<Althego> but where is the chicken
<umaxtu> in my belly!
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<Althego> there is a small crowd up there now
<Mat2ch> aren't they all waiting for the new module to get more sleeping space?
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<Althego> isnt it a sciencem odule?
<Althego> nauka or something
<Althego> a bit late addition, seems to be a waste?
<Althego> unless the station ipoerates until 2030
<Althego> hehe despite its name it will be also a rest area
<Althego> i guess no chicken
<Althego> good, no parallel streams then
<umaxtu> what chicken?
<Althego> the phoenix
<umaxtu> I'm still confused. are you talking about stratolaunch?
<Althego> no
<Althego> meanwhile i found a tweet from half a day ago, the afternoon stream is cancelled
<Althego> if the whole game looked like this https://youtu.be/nrnRVD0gT0Q
<Althego> maybe ksp2 will
<Althego> guh
<Althego> hehe, shortest airplane landing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vP13XPMNfc
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<namedomran> hi
<Mod9000> Hello, namedomran
<UmbralRaptop> \o
<FLHerne> Hey
<namedomran> i actually used to spend a lot of time here back around ~2012 so this is the first time i've joined in like, 8-9 years
<namedomran> anyways i was having an issue with a mod and was wondering if anyone here knows what i'm talking about
<namedomran> the ckan version of procedural parts seems to be broken with 1.11, you basically can't expand the tanks at all beyond the size they start with, even in sandbox
<namedomran> idk if anyone else has experienced this or knows a fix
<FLHerne> Welcome back then :-)
<namedomran> thanks
<FLHerne> It looks like that might be a deliberate 'feature', there's an option https://github.com/KSP-RO/ProceduralParts/issues/275
<FLHerne> > make sure under the "Advanced Tab" that "Parts Upgrade" is green or else it won't show the bigger parts upgrades.
<namedomran> thanks
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<Mat2ch> Althego: the KSP video there... that's all nice and all. Looks great. But does the engine handle 10k part ships?
<Mat2ch> :D
<darsie> Mat2ch: Does your engine? :)
<Mat2ch> darsie: I'm driving a turbo diesel. There should be around 10k parts to keep it running...
<Althego> something is coming up
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<Althego> oh i think this is the usual hour long thing they have, i might even watch it this time, not too late for a satuirday
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<darsie> Althego: The traffic lights didn't turn red and the warning didn't blink: "Overhight must turn"
<Althego> just like for the previous one
<Althego> maybe the detector is off or misaligned
<FLHerne> I remember when people thought that warning sign would be the end of the channel
<FLHerne> And then when they thought raising it by 8" and adding a bright yellow bar would be
<Althego> i think the shuttle still has bigger payload volume
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<FLHerne> Definitely not
<umaxtu> maybe a longer payload bay?
<FLHerne> Starship's payload bay is about the same length as Shuttle's, and more than twice the diameter
<Althego> same length?
<umaxtu> are going to lose some useable volume due to the way the nose opens
<Althego> maybe the same volume
<flayer> sigh
<Althego> but it must be shorter
<FLHerne> Shuttle is longer by 1m
<FLHerne> 18.3m to 17.2
<Althego> i was just wondering
<FLHerne> Actually, 17.2m for Starship is from the max *payload* volume from the users guide https://www.spacex.com/media/starship_users_guide_v1.pdf
<Althego> if the iss is decomissioned
<FLHerne> Which leaves space for deployment, vibration etc
<Althego> can they use starship to build a new one cheaper
<Althego> of similar sized moduels fit in there
<FLHerne> Whereas 18.3m is the size of the Shuttle bay itself
<Mat2ch> darsie: that's true, but as a truck driver you should read the height signs and know the height of your truck and not rely on traffic lights and other warnings.
<Althego> maybe because of the nose part they would be shorter
<Althego> but wider
<FLHerne> So almost identical in usable length
<flayer> there needs to be an international effort to begin building infrastructure in space
<Mat2ch> Althego: with Starship they could build a hotel in orbit in a few month...
<FLHerne> Althego: Nearly 4x the volume?
<FLHerne> It's twice the diameter
<darsie> Maybe "WARNING - LOW BRIDGE - CHECK HEIGHT" would help.
<Althego> the thing is, they have to start building the next station as soon as possible before iss goes down
<FLHerne> Less a bit because of the taper
<darsie> Or just "LOW BRIDGE - CHECK HEIGHT"
<flayer> whats going to happen once we lose the iss?
<umaxtu> darsie, that works real well for the bridge formally known as 11'8"
<Mat2ch> flayer: nobody knows.
<Althego> the chinese are going to have ione and nobody else would
<flayer> we should all work together on a moon station
<Althego> maybe the russians want to get out, to get some money by selling the parts to nasa, and with that money investing in a chinese-russian station
<Althego> at least they mentioned wanting to work together with chine for reachibng the moon
<Mat2ch> the Russian segments will be very old in 2024
<Mat2ch> they are already falling apart
<Althego> and that is why i dont understand why they launch the nauka
<Mat2ch> Russia will probably not create another space station for some time
<Althego> why not keep it and add it to something new
<Mat2ch> maybe that part will be move to the chinese site. And Nauka should already be paid for.
<Althego> why wasnt there no static fire?
<Althego> phoenix is coming
<Mat2ch> Althego: Russia has a GDP less than Italy. They just don't have the money
<Althego> kikkerikii
<Althego> but i am not going to watch monster hunter reise
<Althego> anyway i really hope spacex can do the hop next week and finally stick that landing
<Mat2ch> road closure scheduled for Monday. Static fire probably.
<Althego> yes but they were planning to do this this week
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