<darsie>
I figured out why jet engines flame out so annoyingly and what to do about it.
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<darsie>
Air is a resource like fuel and it's stored in air intakes. Intakes supply it to the engine and replenish it from the atmosphere, depending on speed and altitude.
<darsie>
When it runs out, the engine flames out for a moment.
<darsie>
Now the engine adjusts its fuel and air consumption depending on speed and altitude, but not smart enough to avoid these flame outs. To avoid them, throttle the engine.
<darsie>
I circumnavigated Kerbin at 1750 m/s with the rapier.
<darsie>
To get enough air I tried different and multiple air intakes, but throttling was the best solution.
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<darsie>
I angled my wings and at cruise altitude I used prograde hold and adjusted the speed/throttle for level flight.
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<Solar_Oracle>
Query: What version of Unity will KSP 2 run on?
<Solar_Oracle>
Also: Will it come out before Star Citizen?
<Solar_Oracle>
Which reminds me, I should sign up for the Elite Dangerous Odyssey Alpha, just in case KSP 2 is delayed to [DIGIT OVERFLOW ERROR]
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<UmbralRaptop>
No idea, and probably
<Solar_Oracle>
Or maybe KSP 2 will end up like the next Daikatana: Eventually released, but disappointing?
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<Solar_Oracle>
Total War Fans: "I wish they would bring the franchise back to its roots in authentic, historical wargaming." CA: "Announcing Rome: Total War Remastered!" Total War Fans: "Yay, AUTHENTIC, HISTORICAL WARGAMING."
<UmbralRaptop>
Maybe. It's worryingly easy to mess up
<Solar_Oracle>
A pattern I've noticed with a lot of modern games is that the release version can be nigh unplayable, but a year or two of support can make them into fantastic games like Battletech or Gnome Anne's Sky
<Solar_Oracle>
What in Ambassador G'kar's name is happening? KSP is actually running!
<UmbralRaptop>
uh
<Solar_Oracle>
It, for some weird problem related to the particular version of Unity it was on, hasn't run for several months.
<Solar_Oracle>
I'm going to see if the other games on the same version of Unity run now.
<Solar_Oracle>
I previously documented the name here, before I accreted enough matter to transform from Jovian Oracle into Solar Oracle https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/198016-unplanned-rapid-disassembly-of-ksp-on-launch-pad/#comment-3879443
<Solar_Oracle>
By Captain Sinclair! Even Hardspace is running now!
<darsie>
I figured out why jet engines flame out so annoyingly and what to do about it.
<darsie>
When it runs out, the engine flames out, magically turbine rpm go to 0 instantly and the intake can replenish some air while the engine spins up again.
<darsie>
Air is a resource like fuel and it's stored in air intakes. Intakes supply it to the engine and replenish it from the atmosphere, depending on speed and altitude.
<darsie>
Now the engine adjusts its fuel and air consumption depending on speed and altitude, but not smart enough to avoid these flame outs. To avoid them, throttle the engine.
<darsie>
I circumnavigated Kerbin at 1750 m/s with the rapier.
<darsie>
To get enough air I tried different and multiple air intakes, but throttling was the best solution.
<darsie>
I angled my wings and at cruise altitude I used prograde hold and adjusted the speed/throttle for level flight.
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<Althego>
zombanwa
<Althego>
but kikkeriki is coming up
<Althego>
hmm we are up to siren
<Althego>
i came back in time
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* darsie
cries because noone reacts to his great insight/discovery.
<Althego>
nice discovery, but not exactly new for the most of us
<Althego>
although i never tried with rapipers
<darsie>
k :)
<Althego>
with rapiers it is pedal to the metal until orbit
<Althego>
your case was special you wanted to use it as a jet in atmosphere
<darsie>
Applies to other jet engines, too.
<Althego>
yes
<Althego>
usually it happens to me with smaller ones
<Althego>
for circumnavigation i usually stick with the turbojets, because they are more efficient
<darsie>
Not as fast, though.
<Althego>
true
<Althego>
looked like a nice static fire
<darsie>
If you want to do observation contracts.
<Althego>
most of those are don with the panther in my case
<Althego>
because even the whiplash is verty high up in the tree
<darsie>
I rarely do them. I did when I started with KSP, and used rockets :).
<Althego>
yes, the first few can be done with rockets easily
<Althego>
because you dont need high horizontal distance
<Althego>
do they really want to launch in this fog?
<FLHerne>
Oh, that did look a bit squashed in the 2016 pics
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<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
EA Sports
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
luncbot
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
lunchbot
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
i'm still banned bruh
<Althego>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Althego: You do not gather your party before venturing forth. You must construct additional pylons.
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
what
<Althego>
sounds right. both halves are gaming
<Althego>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Althego: You try to recreate a previous failure as a learning exercise, but this time with greater sarcasm. You end up 40 km from the closest manned facility with an unconscious crewmate and 10 hours of air in your spacesuits.
<Althego>
this sounds right too
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
G A M I N G
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
E P I C L Y G A M I N G
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
since I can add a stupid quote to Lunchbot, someone else please add this: "Why do they call it oven when you of in the cold of out hot eat the food?" - Jon Arbuckle
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
I mean I can't add it
<FLHerne>
Is that supposed to be mangled to the point of incomprehensibility?
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
y e s
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
that's the point
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
it's a stupid quote
<Althego>
btw atrocious nick. longer than my full name
<pneumonoultramicroscopicsilico>
Where did everybody get the idea for their nicknames?
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<FLHerne>
Mine is my name :p
<TristenKSP>
m
<TristenKSP>
Mine is just my name with KSP added at the end.
<darsie>
darsie's real name: darsie is my boy scout nickname
<TristenKSP>
Althego hbu
<TristenKSP>
<Althego>
human bumping unit?
<TristenKSP>
how about you
<TristenKSP>
Where did you get your nick from
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* UmbralRaptor
ponders
<UmbralRaptor>
Right, this nick was diapsid + shadows sounds cool
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<FLHerne>
And then it changes semi-arbitrarily for various reasons
<TristenKSP>
deadraptop died but then he said "no"
<Althego>
eh there was swearing at the end. should have watched it before
<Althego>
anyway that is a stupid quote
<TristenKSP>
S W E A R W O R D B A D
* darsie
rescues a Kerbal from Mun orbit ... by letting a Kerbal on the Mun jetpack to a capsule in low Mun orbit, refuel the jetpack, encounter the stranded Kerbal to tell her to jetpack to Kerbin ...
<Althego>
hehe
<darsie>
Then I'll load an earlier state cause I haven't done my sample return mission from the comet on Kerbol escape trajectory.
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<TristenKSP>
ok
<TristenKSP>
!stupid
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: "Diameter's a meaningless term. That structure doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to a sphere. Or any rational geometry."
<TristenKSP>
they basically decided it was going to be reduced to ashes before they were done with it.
<FLHerne>
It's mostly just covered in soot
<TristenKSP>
Wilbur Soot?
<Althego>
i am waiting for a 10 th launch and landing
<Althego>
maybe they will scrub the rocket literally after that
<Althego>
flight termination system pin pull
<Althego>
i wouldnt want to be one to do that. high up, and something is wrong it explodes in your face
<TristenKSP>
RIP L'Manburg
<Mat2ch>
Althego: well, if it explodes than it doesn't matter if you are high up or on the ground...
<Althego>
no, it matters if i am far away and not there
<Althego>
and i hate being high up unprotected
<Althego>
even if it doesnt explode
<Mat2ch>
probably the pin is just a fuse...
<Althego>
when i see the bird, i light the fuse
<TristenKSP>
!stupid
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: "We warrant each Acme Klein Bottle for a period of FIVE YEARS to be absolutely free of any magnetic monopoles. If you discover one, contact us immediately and we will refund your purchase price right after claiming the Nobel Prize."
<TristenKSP>
what
<darsie>
:)
<TristenKSP>
!nextlunch
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: Baked potato.
<TristenKSP>
yummy
<TristenKSP>
Lunchbot is my favorite bot on the server
<Althego>
kiara and the hair tangent. she said 3rd time it was a normal story
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<TristenKSP>
!stupid
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: Just because something’s been done that way for years does not mean that it’s safe.
<TristenKSP>
I guess that makes sense
<TristenKSP>
!nextlunch
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: Fish & chips.
<TristenKSP>
oooh
<TristenKSP>
!mission
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You build a ship for the stated purpose of outrunning its own mass. There is a direct correlation between your level of fear and the exponential growth of the fireball.
<TristenKSP>
what does that mean
<raptop>
You're more scared of the fireball than it is of you
<raptop>
And it is growing
<raptop>
run
<Althego>
oh no scrub
<Althego>
road open
<TristenKSP>
oh dear
<Althego>
and again it is going to happen on a monday close to midnight so that i cant watch it
<Althego>
would have been epic without explosion too
<Mat2ch>
NSF says they are targetting Monday
<Althego>
and then i have to limp through the week with sleep deprivation
<Althego>
or if they launch in time maybe not
<Althego>
but of course we also lose an hour because of dst
<Mat2ch>
yeah
<Mat2ch>
I hate dst :(
<Althego>
at least now we have 4 day easter like the germans
<Mat2ch>
and I'm always sleep deprived, so....
<Mat2ch>
it's not really four days. On Saturday usually everything is open.
<Althego>
yes of course. but for most people it is a 4 day weekend
<Mat2ch>
Well, I have a feeling that even this year everything is open. And in two weeks we have 100k newly infected people and those who are in charge of handling the pandemic will say: How could that happen?
* Mat2ch
is tired
<Althego>
yes we are probably not past the peak of the 3rd wave (souncd like a movie title, there was some scifi with similar name)
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<Althego>
and yet i guess there will be some temporary opening for easter
<Mat2ch>
I want to move. Not to a different country, but to another planet. Anyone offering a ride? I will make pizza and pudding
<Althego>
maybe if he dies before mars is settled they send his body over there or something
<Althego>
isnt it all rehydrated stuff in zero g?
<TristenKSP>
ye
<Mat2ch>
well, another planet far away from this solar system.
<TristenKSP>
dehydrated*
<Althego>
first de, then re
<Althego>
so preparing it is basically adding hot water
<TristenKSP>
they actually sell astronaut food at like normal stores
<Mat2ch>
So you should bring a craft with a ftl drive. Artifical gravity is a must, too.
<Mat2ch>
Humans can't survive long in zero g
<Althego>
just liek years
<TristenKSP>
I had astronauts cookies and cream ice cream once it was like rock solid and hard to bite into. i got white and brown dust all over my car
<Althego>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
if one year in micro gravity has an impact on the bones like 30 years on earth then how long can you stay up there before you turn to mush?
<Althego>
i would be more worried about heart and eye problems
<TristenKSP>
muscle problems especially if you dont work out
<Althego>
but they do work out on the iss
<Althego>
that largely but not completely helps with the muscle and bone problems
<flayer>
bam, two expansions to the solar orbital station on trajectories out of kerbin -> instant sub 10,000 km intersects about 30 days away
<TristenKSP>
The longer you stay in 0G the more you need to work out your muscles and bones. Think about how much milk and calcium they drink on the ISS.
<Althego>
but as far as i know the eye pressure thing is still somewhat of a msytery
<Althego>
and can cause permanent damage
<Althego>
i dont drink milk down here either
<flayer>
and I only need to adjust the inclination 15 days away to reduce it to less than 100km
<flayer>
i think i'm starting to figure this game out
<TristenKSP>
Althego you don't drink milk?!
<TristenKSP>
How are your bones yes?
<Althego>
why would i? doesnt taste good and it is gross, also completely strange
<flayer>
he drinks horse semen instead
<Althego>
milk is not an essential nutrient
<Althego>
lol
<flayer>
how do you get your calcium?
<TristenKSP>
exactly
<TristenKSP>
hw
<Althego>
from food i guess
<TristenKSP>
not as much from milk tho
<TristenKSP>
you must not eat cereal either
<TristenKSP>
unless it's with almond milk, which isn't that bad. UNLESS IT'S FREAKING CHUNKY
<Althego>
hehe gura and the ame milk :)
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<Webchat454>
q
<Webchat454>
q
<Webchat454>
q
<Webchat454>
q
<Webchat454>
q
<Webchat454>
q
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<TristenKSP>
i agree with q
<darsie>
Lufred Kerman aerobraked at Kerbin and boarded the orbital lab to refuel the jetpack. Now jetpack deorbit to Kerbin KSC ...
<flayer>
its time to send 'the solar express' to the mun, minmus, and eve
<TristenKSP>
k
<Althego>
wavecable
<Althego>
whatever, cables are there to help waves propagate
<TristenKSP>
k
<TristenKSP>
k
<Althego>
ksp, ksc, kfp, kgb?
<TristenKSP>
kfc
<FLHerne>
TristenKSP: Don't spam the channel with single letters, it's both impolite and against the rules
<FLHerne>
(and yes, Webchat454 clearly has the same IP address as you)
<Althego>
that is why i said wavecable
<FLHerne>
I know, but I don't know if TristenKSP does :p
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Blood for *all* of the Blood Gods.
<FLHerne>
hm
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: We're going to die.
<raptop>
In case anyone is wondering, that means Armok, Khorne, various Aztec deities, etc
<FLHerne>
!outcome blood drive
<TristenKSP>
O H
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Blood for the blood drive.
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: Murphy's law was thus renamed in Jeb's honor, after that mission.
<Althego>
you can glide quite a lot with the parachute so you will need to circle around
<TristenKSP>
THE OUTCOMES ARE WEIRD AND s a d
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: Everything is smothered in cheese.
<FLHerne>
TristenKSP: `!mission` on its own gives you a mission followed by an outcome
<TristenKSP>
OOOOOHH!
<TristenKSP>
!mission
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You attempt to fire your rockets without advance notice, against union layoff agreements. Things go pear-shaped very quickly.
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: I?! I?! Supernovy fhtagn!
<TristenKSP>
what
<raptop>
FLHerne: oh, hey, that outcome indicates a unicode problem
<TristenKSP>
what is supernovy fhtagn
<raptop>
It should be Iä!, not I?!
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
even then it shouldnt drop the characters
<raptop>
supernovy was a mod, and the rest is a cthulhu reference
<FLHerne>
raptop: Many of the outcomes are scraped from bees' IRC logs, so I think you have to blame him
<TristenKSP>
OH
<TristenKSP>
!mission
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You accept a contract to test the Mk16 parachute in flight over Kerbol. This is grossly ethical.
<FLHerne>
raptop: (the ones that were original kmath ones)
<raptop>
ah
<TristenKSP>
this is easy
<Althego>
aslo ä, unlike ő and ű had support even before unicode
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You exhaust the munar supply of karbonite.
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<raptop>
TristenKSP: I may want to push you towards messaging LunchBot
<TristenKSP>
What?! I was testing a parachute
<TristenKSP>
ok
<FLHerne>
!outcome fixup s/I?! I?!/Iä! Iä!/
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: New text is: Iä! Iä! Supernovy fhtagn!
<darsie>
Lufred fell over when landing on the runway.
<raptop>
oops
<Althego>
was karbonite that strange resource that was supplied in some mod?
<Althego>
i think there were two similar mods
<raptop>
also kethane
<Althego>
i cant remember
<Althego>
ah kethane yes
<Althego>
that was the one i wanted to remember
<TristenKSP>
can you add "It's not an explosion, but an scheduled disassembly!" to the stupid quotes please, FLHerne?
<darsie>
a scheduled
<TristenKSP>
unscheduled I meant
<FLHerne>
!stupid disassembly
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: "The steep-vector lithobraking resulted in rapid unscheduled disassembly."
<FLHerne>
It has something similar
<TristenKSP>
m
<TristenKSP>
all i know it's from elon musk
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<FLHerne>
He does like that phrase
<TristenKSP>
it's funny
<TristenKSP>
how much bobuc u gots?
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<FLHerne>
what
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<TristenKSP>
bobuc
<Althego>
whatever that is
<Althego>
bubonic plague?
<TristenKSP>
Is that the server moding a MOD?
<TristenKSP>
!mode
<TristenKSP>
!mission
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You head to the nearest pig farm with a bag full of M size rocket motors and stoic determination to prove a point. This grossly violates ITAR.
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: The video goes viral on YouTube.
<TristenKSP>
PFFF
<Althego>
haha itar pigs
<Althego>
or the pig fart powered rockets
<TristenKSP>
i laughed so hard i choked on my apple juice
<TristenKSP>
!mission
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You call in sick to work because you spent all night playing SCP Containment Breach. You accidentally discover that putting a prism in your tea does not produce any new flavors.
<TristenKSP>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
TristenKSP: You notice the double-space formatting in ;mission. This messes with you to no end.
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<TristenKSP>
What?
<Althego>
there is a double space in this
<Althego>
intentionally
<TristenKSP>
oh
<Althego>
hehe anybody remembers doublespace?
<Althego>
now that i mentioned double... anybody remembers onehalf?
<TristenKSP>
no
<TristenKSP>
f
<Althego>
not paying respects for doublespace or onehalf
<TristenKSP>
no u
<TristenKSP>
ruu
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<FedEx>
Your package is at your front door.
<Althego>
come back tomorrow
<darsie>
TristenKSP: Do you work for FedEx?
<FedEx>
no
<FedEx>
im 13 years old
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<Althego>
i guess the itar pigs were not as funny for you as for me
<TristenKSP>
no i didnt understand it
<TristenKSP>
The International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) is the United States regulation that controls the manufacture, sale, and distribution of defense and space-related articles and services as defined in the United States Munitions List (USML).
<TristenKSP>
ok
<Althego>
anyway if you want to deal with itar, you have to cut through a lot of red tape
<TristenKSP>
y
<Althego>
ok i should sleep
<Althego>
but there is a tako... eh sleep is more important
<darsie>
gn
<TristenKSP>
gun
<TristenKSP>
!ok
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<raptop>
ITAR also means a lot of annoying stuff with some kinds of sensors
* raptop
has been at conferences where various vendors are making a big deal of their compliance
* raptop
also wants to say that adaptive optics can run into issues
<raptop>
(At least with eg: the Kecks. The VLT and ELT should by definition be outside of ITAR)
<darsie>
raptop: Because they can determine satellite orbits?
<darsie>
Or image sats?
<raptop>
darsie: quite possibly that, but I want to say that you can get satellite orbits with much more limited tech
<darsie>
mhm
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